Get ready to eat cake ...... what flavor of frosting do you like?

[Jorgenson 0]

For all of the haters out there - you might be dead wrong about Flight and will feel pretty stupid when all is said and done.1. Flight has BETTER graphics than FSX2. Flight has a MORE POWERFUL and EFFICIENT graphics engine than FSX3. Flight has BETTER flight physics than FSX4. Flight has the capability in the core engine to handle all the detailed features and functionality that FSX hasSo they added some "arcadish" type missions for the kids.  So what?  They could have done that in FSX as well and no one would have complained.  In fact, they did add arcadish content in XPACK and no one did complain.The fact is that no one knows what the final release will look like besides Microsoft.  Chances are it will be good.  Very good.  So anyone looking to continue the flame war should think twice.As far as 3rd party developers bailing on Flight?  How many publishers do you think balked at Apple's "exorbitant" share for iTunes content - only to come crawling back when it took off in popularity.  It will happen.  Just a matter of time.Nothing out there now will be able to touch Flight - including prepar3d.

[WotanUK 289]

1. Flight has BETTER graphics than FSX

Straight out of the box this is true, so what? DCS has better graphics than either of them, so does RoF, actually so does HAWX

2. Flight has a MORE POWERFUL and EFFICIENT graphics engine than FSX

Do you work for MS? How do you know this?

3. Flight has BETTER flight physics than FSX

...Again how are you arriving at this conclusion, i would say they are the same from the testing i have done.

4. Flight has the capability in the core engine to handle all the detailed features and functionality that FSX has

Not sure on this, it's not clear if you will be able to fly between areas for example. ATC doesn't appear to be modeled, no jet's have been seen. But let's take your statement as true, are you saying that in the 5 years between FSX and Flight being released nothing has been improved (other than the graphics side of course)?

So they added some "arcadish" type missions for the kids. So what? They could have done that in FSX as well and no one would have complained. In fact, they did add arcadish content in XPACK and no one did complain.

Yep very true, never used the missions myself but they were there. Truth be told i actually quite like that idea and am very much enjoying them.

The fact is that no one knows what the final release will look like besides Microsoft. Chances are it will be good. Very good. So anyone looking to continue the flame war should think twice.

Err it's in beta, they aren't going to massively change it, might add a plane and fix some bugs, it is how it is.

As far as 3rd party developers bailing on Flight? How many publishers do you think balked at Apple's "exorbitant" share for iTunes content - only to come crawling back when it took off in popularity. It will happen. Just a matter of time.

Not many, lot's of complaints sure, but most were happy. This will depend on sales volumes for addons, do you think that the market will be there?

Nothing out there now will be able to touch Flight - including prepar3d.

In terms of what?

[Mike_CFII_MEL 789]

Hi,No serious developer is going to give up their rights to a product they have spent months if not years developing just so it can be incorporated into MS Flight.

For all of the haters out there - you might be dead wrong about Flight and will feel pretty stupid when all is said and done.1. Flight has BETTER graphics than FSX2. Flight has a MORE POWERFUL and EFFICIENT graphics engine than FSX3. Flight has BETTER flight physics than FSX4. Flight has the capability in the core engine to handle all the detailed features and functionality that FSX hasSo they added some "arcadish" type missions for the kids. So what? They could have done that in FSX as well and no one would have complained. In fact, they did add arcadish content in XPACK and no one did complain.The fact is that no one knows what the final release will look like besides Microsoft. Chances are it will be good. Very good. So anyone looking to continue the flame war should think twice.As far as 3rd party developers bailing on Flight? How many publishers do you think balked at Apple's "exorbitant" share for iTunes content - only to come crawling back when it took off in popularity. It will happen. Just a matter of time.Nothing out there now will be able to touch Flight - including prepar3d.

[MD83 1]

Oh boy ⊙_⊙. You are Steve Balmer and I claim my five dollars :-)

[n4gix 4,947]

...Again how are you arriving at this conclusion, i would say they are the same from the testing i have done.

Really? You haven't noticed out how the propwash affects the elevator and rudder?Have you tried any aerobatics yet?I've never seen any a/c in FSX that can execute a proper hammerhead, and only a precious few a flat spin... :(

[ViperPilot 81]

For all of the haters out there - you might be dead wrong about Flight and will feel pretty stupid when all is said and done.1. Flight has BETTER graphics than FSX2. Flight has a MORE POWERFUL and EFFICIENT graphics engine than FSX3. Flight has BETTER flight physics than FSX4. Flight has the capability in the core engine to handle all the detailed features and functionality that FSX hasSo they added some "arcadish" type missions for the kids. So what? They could have done that in FSX as well and no one would have complained. In fact, they did add arcadish content in XPACK and no one did complain.The fact is that no one knows what the final release will look like besides Microsoft. Chances are it will be good. Very good. So anyone looking to continue the flame war should think twice.As far as 3rd party developers bailing on Flight? How many publishers do you think balked at Apple's "exorbitant" share for iTunes content - only to come crawling back when it took off in popularity. It will happen. Just a matter of time.Nothing out there now will be able to touch Flight - including prepar3d.

You are right... no one knows what the final release will look like besides Microsoft. So, please substantiate your assertions that Flight has better flight physics and core engine capabilities. Or, are the words meant to imply (read:speculate) that Flight will have these said capabilities?Like it's been said hundreds of times before in the last year and three quarters... until the ACTUAL PRODUCT is available for download from Microsoft everything said here is speculation, unless it comes from either the horse's mouth or from someone stupid enough to test the strength of the Beta NDA.This notion of pipe dreams and egotistical positioning is really starting to become annoying... :( Edited January 9, 2012 by ViperPilot

[Qatsimo 7]

Err it's in beta, they aren't going to massively change it, might add a plane and fix some bugs, it is how it is.

Very good point. I came to the same conclusion after dreaming it will eventually come to a level beyond FSX. It will not, never.

[Guest jahman]

This notion of pipe dreams and egotistical positioning is really starting to become annoying...

Really? You haven't noticed out how the propwash affects the elevator and rudder?Have you tried any aerobatics yet?I've never seen any a/c in FSX that can execute a proper hammerhead, and only a precious few a flat spin...

Cheers,- jahman.

[strider1 575]

For all of the haters out there - you might be dead wrong about Flight and will feel pretty stupid when all is said and done.1. Flight has BETTER graphics than FSX2. Flight has a MORE POWERFUL and EFFICIENT graphics engine than FSX3. Flight has BETTER flight physics than FSX4. Flight has the capability in the core engine to handle all the detailed features and functionality that FSX hasSo they added some "arcadish" type missions for the kids. So what? They could have done that in FSX as well and no one would have complained. In fact, they did add arcadish content in XPACK and no one did complain.The fact is that no one knows what the final release will look like besides Microsoft. Chances are it will be good. Very good. So anyone looking to continue the flame war should think twice.As far as 3rd party developers bailing on Flight? How many publishers do you think balked at Apple's "exorbitant" share for iTunes content - only to come crawling back when it took off in popularity. It will happen. Just a matter of time.Nothing out there now will be able to touch Flight - including prepar3d.

I guess you have not tried the beta....

[MrSpeaker 122]

For all of the haters out there - you might be dead wrong about Flight and will feel pretty stupid when all is said and done.1. Flight has BETTER graphics than FSX2. Flight has a MORE POWERFUL and EFFICIENT graphics engine than FSX3. Flight has BETTER flight physics than FSX4. Flight has the capability in the core engine to handle all the detailed features and functionality that FSX hasSo they added some "arcadish" type missions for the kids. So what? They could have done that in FSX as well and no one would have complained. In fact, they did add arcadish content in XPACK and no one did complain.The fact is that no one knows what the final release will look like besides Microsoft. Chances are it will be good. Very good. So anyone looking to continue the flame war should think twice.As far as 3rd party developers bailing on Flight? How many publishers do you think balked at Apple's "exorbitant" share for iTunes content - only to come crawling back when it took off in popularity. It will happen. Just a matter of time.Nothing out there now will be able to touch Flight - including prepar3d.

You probably are sounding just like the Flight project manager in a few months, desperately trying to keep his/her job. :(

[Ben Cap 89]

No serious developer is going to give up their rights to a product they have spent months if not years developing just so it can be incorporated into MS Flight.

What about if the community loves it. What sense would it make for them to develop for a dead sim once most everyone had moved on?

[cmdrnmartin 1]

Oh come on people. OP has 1 post to his name, and you fall for this?Troll Post, Y'all got trolled. Hard.

[HughesMDflyer4 470]

For all of the haters out there - you might be dead wrong about Flight and will feel pretty stupid when all is said and done.1. Flight has BETTER graphics than FSX Anyone notice the shadowing, vertical cliff textures, improved water, new fog, etc?2. Flight has a MORE POWERFUL and EFFICIENT graphics engine than FSX If you look around for beta testers' opinions, you will find that performance is reported to be much better, and I will just say that this is true.3. Flight has BETTER flight physics than FSX As Bill has hinted, flight physics are better than FSX4. Flight has the capability in the core engine to handle all the detailed features and functionality that FSX has True

[RYR738 9]

For all of the haters out there - you might be dead wrong about Flight and will feel pretty stupid when all is said and done.1. Flight has BETTER graphics than FSX2. Flight has a MORE POWERFUL and EFFICIENT graphics engine than FSX3. Flight has BETTER flight physics than FSX4. Flight has the capability in the core engine to handle all the detailed features and functionality that FSX hasSo they added some "arcadish" type missions for the kids. So what? They could have done that in FSX as well and no one would have complained. In fact, they did add arcadish content in XPACK and no one did complain.The fact is that no one knows what the final release will look like besides Microsoft. Chances are it will be good. Very good. So anyone looking to continue the flame war should think twice.As far as 3rd party developers bailing on Flight? How many publishers do you think balked at Apple's "exorbitant" share for iTunes content - only to come crawling back when it took off in popularity. It will happen. Just a matter of time.Nothing out there now will be able to touch Flight - including prepar3d.

I was only going to use one laugh but it really deserves more. :( :(( I wish avsim would not let people post for at least a week after they make a new profile. It would stop a lot of this rubbish. ) Edited January 10, 2012 by RYR738

[xplanery 250]

For all of the haters out there - you might be dead wrong about Flight and will feel pretty stupid when all is said and done.1. Flight has BETTER graphics than FSX2. Flight has a MORE POWERFUL and EFFICIENT graphics engine than FSX3. Flight has BETTER flight physics than FSX4. Flight has the capability in the core engine to handle all the detailed features and functionality that FSX hasSo they added some "arcadish" type missions for the kids. So what? They could have done that in FSX as well and no one would have complained. In fact, they did add arcadish content in XPACK and no one did complain.The fact is that no one knows what the final release will look like besides Microsoft. Chances are it will be good. Very good. So anyone looking to continue the flame war should think twice.As far as 3rd party developers bailing on Flight? How many publishers do you think balked at Apple's "exorbitant" share for iTunes content - only to come crawling back when it took off in popularity. It will happen. Just a matter of time.Nothing out there now will be able to touch Flight - including prepar3d.

1. Yes, but FSX is 6 years old already so thats not much to say. They are still outdated as hell.2. Even if it has its still outdated.3. Are you real world pilot and have flown Flight too?4. So its like FSX minus most of the world and ATC and few added useless features?Your optimism is based on nothing. Flight will suck and be arcadish rubbish. If there was going to be ATC they would have already modeled it so beta testers could test it, and its clearly said that there wont be whole world modeled but just small regions which makes it suck.

Oh come on people. OP has 1 post to his name, and you fall for this?Troll Post, Y'all got trolled. Hard.

Yeaa but I like arguing :(