Well, FLIGHT is a game, there´s nothing more to say. As long as MS doesn´t come up with things like ATC, Ai traffic and so on, it will nevrr be a subtitude for FSX. So get the fastest system you can get and have fun with FSX and its huge 3rd. party market!

Thanks, that's pretty much what I needed to know. I guess if all I want to do is do some wild gyrations for a few minutes, fly under a bridge and then plow into the ground, then it's for me.I was a little puzzled by their website when I read what they wrote about no atc or ai traffic or jets. I was wondering if that just meant it wasn't in the initial base pack so that you didn't have to pay for it if you weren't that into it but was something it was capable of supporting as an addon for future purchase.But wow, if all that is really gone, it is worthless as a flight simulation. Might as well get HAWX. You'll have some purpose to the gyrations.

I don't want to be unpleasantly surprised after spending money

Kevin,What money ? The base pack is free. Try it and decide for yourself. If you want to read negative opinions, you will find plenty here (ad nauseam). I totally agree with the "safe forum" concept as I don't want history to repeat itself. Remember the FS9 vs FSX vs Xplane ###### battles ? Did something positive emerge out of them ? None that I know of except spoiling the fun for most of us.

Edited March 3, 201214 yr by Jean-Paul Mes

So is FLIGHT supposed to be a free contribution to flightsimming by Microsoft then? I own MS stock through some mutual funds. As a stockowner, I find it abhorant that they would undertake a major project that generates no revenue.Look, I understand it is a free download. But make no mistake that you are buying into something. I'm just trying to figure out what I'm buying into if I switch to FLIGHT.

So is FLIGHT supposed to be a free contribution to flightsimming by Microsoft then? I own MS stock through some mutual funds. As a stockowner, I find it abhorant that they would undertake a major project that generates no revenue.

What's the point of this "I own MS stock" statement ? We both know that MS intends to get their revenue from additional DLC.

But make no mistake that you are buying into something. I'm just trying to figure out what I'm buying into if I switch to FLIGHT.

Really ? I tried Flight and based on what I saw, I came to the conclusion that it was not (yet ?) for me. Cost: 0.00 $.

So what is the point of the free download then? All I'm trying to figure out is if this is going to provide what I seek in a flight simulation , which is an immersive experience of having the entire navigable world, atc simulation, detailed sceneries, choice of accurately simulated aircraft to fly and atmosphere of realistic ai traffic to share the air with.If FLIGHT can meet those desires, then whether it is a free download or not, I will make the "switch" and "buy" it. And I will be perfectly willing to spend money to build it up from this free download.The free download with it's island and a couple of prop planes doesn't seem to answer that question one way or another. It's just seems to be an eye candy teaser as far as I can tell. Will the rest of the world be made available to fly in and navigate to? Will detailed PMDG and PIC level addon aircraft be available? Will there be WOAI style ai traffic available for us to fly amongst?The comment about the stock was merely in response to the simplistic and out of context remark about it being free.

Edited March 3, 201214 yr by KevinAu

"Simplistic and out of context remark" ? :( .Have a nice day, Kevin

Have a nice day too.

So what is the point of the free download then? All I'm trying to figure out is if this is going to provide what I seek in a flight simulation , which is an immersive experience of having the entire navigable world, atc simulation, detailed sceneries, choice of accurately simulated aircraft to fly and atmosphere of realistic ai traffic to share the air with.

if you serach for that, well, then the answer is fairly easy (at least actually.) Flight hasn´t most of the things you´re seeking. I don´t know whether they will add things like ATC, a full world and so on. MS hasn´t said anything about that and till they announce what they´ll gonna do in the future, FSX is the way to go for all the things you are seeking for.

Will detailed PMDG and PIC level addon aircraft be available?

As of now, no. In fact MS hasn´t even plans to allow 3rd. party developers to develope any DLC for FLIGHT.

I too have had some posts deleted in the Flight forum. One was calling someone out on a false blanket statement that lacked evidence to back it up. I showed why his statement was false and asked him to provide evidence. Yes, it had a harsh tone, because his post was harsh and smacked of elitism. My post was deleted and I was told publicly in that post that I "would be gone" if I posted anything else not adhering to what I consider a gigantic grey area in the posting rules.Now I am straight up too nervous to post in the Flight forum. I'm not sure if that is what AVSIM is intending is to make its community afraid to participate. Oh well. Their site, their rules, not well defined.

I too have had some posts deleted in the Flight forum. One was calling someone out on a false blanket statement that lacked evidence to back it up. I showed why his statement was false and asked him to provide evidence. Yes, it had a harsh tone, because his post was harsh and smacked of elitism.My post was deleted and I was told publicly in that post that I "would be gone" if I posted anything else not adhering to what I consider a gigantic grey area in the posting rules.Now I am straight up too nervous to post in the Flight forum. I'm not sure if that is what AVSIM is intending is to make its community afraid to participate. Oh well. Their site, their rules, not well defined.

Jon,While it is clear I agree, SpiritFlyer is adhering to policy and that policy is to make the Flight forum a no fly zone for harsh dissent and I get it. It behooves AVSIM to benefit from any and all new traffic related to the new game. Those of us going through grief are going to have to do it solo, or elsewhere. Since there are many rooms in the castle, self-censoring your speech in that room is the law of the land at the moment.I have been around AVSIM for quite awhile now and we really must play by house rules. In the end, I still like coming here, so I just have to bite my tongue.Moderating is a tough job which requires judgment calls and which also requires abiding by leadership's wishes. While I don't like what is going down in the Flight forum at all, I have no real recourse other than to flow as directed.I am perhaps in the Depression/Acceptance phase of my grieving, so I'll let it be. I am mainly sad that my high-fidelity flight sim experience will likely go the way of Falcon 4. There are alternatives, including the frozen-in-time FSX and FS2004.In the end, it is "...their site, their rules."

Edited March 4, 201214 yr by ahuimanu

Filter the forums you wish to visit and life will be sweetness!! :( :(

SpiritFlyer is adhering to policy and that policy is to make the Flight forum a no fly zone for harsh dissent

Interesting. Does that policy apply to all Avsim forums, or is it specific to the Flight! forum?It seems difficult to extract a consistent understanding of the moderation as it is applied across the board. There may, of course, be other interests at work, to which we are not privy.EDIT: the word I was looking for was "consistency"

Edited March 4, 201214 yr by hcornea

I would like to think that we were above a bar room mentality where what I did (or said) was OK because, after all, "the other guy started it." There is a civil way do deal with folks, and not. In the end, would I want to be remembered as a level headed Joe, or some hot head, who cared only about himself? I am neither. I can't control anyone else. I can't change their minds. Or make them see the error of their ways, try as I might. Hopefully, I might be able to control myself.

Interesting. Does that policy apply to all Avsim forums, or is it specific to the Flight! forum?It seems difficult to extract a consistent understanding of the moderation as it is applied across the board. There may, of course, be other interests at work, to which we are not privy.EDIT: the word I was looking for was "consistency"

It would be impossible to have consistent handling of each event as that would be assuming each event is consistently the same to begin with (which it isn't). I'm all about procedure, but there is no black and white answer for every scenario. The play field is way too dynamic I'm afraid.

Actually Chase, as per my post, I was referring to the policy across forums, not individual events, as you suggested.It seems that the purpose of and the mode of conversation in some forums is different from that in others.Some forum moderators moderate across different Avsim forums using apparently different standards in each, which I find particulary interesting. Same moderator, different moderation.Given the tone of resentment about forum censorship that we see in some of the Unofficial Avsim forums (even from forum moderators!), it is bemusing to say the least, to see this process applied to the Flight! forum specifically and not to other Avsim forums.Consistent policy is more likely to create consistency across all the forums.Yes. Events will be interpreted differently by different moderators but, when it seems OK or condoned to attack one product or developer in one subforum, and in the Flight! forum the same behaviour results in an instant "thread lock" it is understandable that forum users start to question whether Avsim (or individual mods) may have an agenda.(I note there is a Flight! advertising banner at the top of my page as I type this, and suggest others can make what they want of that.)Consistency starts with policy, which is why some are questioning why the policy is NOT uniform.

Edited March 4, 201214 yr by hcornea