How about I bet 1600 MS points its more then $20? Heh!

Microsoft, just give us a good engine with great flight physics and weather, atc, etc. Let the professionals like PMDG, ORBx, Flytampa, etc. do what they do best. I agree that Flight looks pretty in good, and better than FSX in many ways, and don't get me wrong, I love the performance, buuuutt...if those third party developers were making the DLC then it would be so much better than what Microsoft is doing. Microsoft only cares about the money, but our trusted third party developers actually care about us.I look at the DLC we get for FSX in comparison to default FSX and it's just astonishing. Just look at what REX is doing with Essentials, and what PMDG did with the NGX. If they had an engine that was really easy to work with for our third party developers, than the game would definitely be the best Flight Sim ever made.

I agree. The RV6, missions, challenges, extra jobs, paint jobs, aerocaches, etc is a ton of content (all of which I am eating up) for $20. My typical game purchase is $60 for 10-15 hours of gameplay. Then $10 for 1-3 hours of gameplay. Free game + $20 for 20+ hours of gameplay is a steal for me.Not to mention (despite everyone's inaccurate criticism of the game's realism) I have, to my flight instructor's admission, definitely saved money by practicing maneuvers, traffic patterns, and landings in Microsoft Flight.As far as realism goes, the game has a long way to go (mostly with bugs and missing features), but it's much better than most give it credit for. Also, most who say it's not realistic base that assumption on other unrealistic experiences such as FSX. Sorry....but until you actually fly a plane a few times you don't really have a clue about what realistic actually is :)

All that big beautiful long runway and nothing more than light aircraft to land on it. I have seen videos from FSX that look way better though. although I know to get that quality is hundreds of dollars.I think FSX payware is to expensive in some cases so from a price point argument I think the original poster is correct. Not bad price for what you get. Default FSX is boring but I think a lot of pople in here have large investments into addon's in FSX so it makes sense to continue to spend money on FSX until something interests you in Flight.

Flight so far is the best $20 I have have spent on any game. I can't think of another game I have put this much time into for such a paltry sum.To be honest, those that have only played the big island and the starter planes have only seen the surface. The game gets so much better with the Hawaii adventure pack.I seriously can't wait to see what else is in store for this game. I am really glad the hardcore have the entirety of the genre to keep them happy, but I am even more glad someone made a product I can enjoy.

 

Looks fantastic! How much did that slide-show cost you? ;)

How did you know it was a slide show? There's no frame rate counter. Oh wait...Hook

Microsoft only cares about the money, but our trusted third party developers actually care about us.

Oh, my mistake. I didn't realize all the 3PD FSX scenery was free.

Microsoft, just give us a good engine with great flight physics and weather, atc, etc. Let the professionals like PMDG, ORBx, Flytampa, etc. do what they do best. I agree that Flight looks pretty in good, and better than FSX in many ways, and don't get me wrong, I love the performance, buuuutt...if those third party developers were making the DLC then it would be so much better than what Microsoft is doing. Microsoft only cares about the money, but our trusted third party developers actually care about us.I look at the DLC we get for FSX in comparison to default FSX and it's just astonishing. Just look at what REX is doing with Essentials, and what PMDG did with the NGX. If they had an engine that was really easy to work with for our third party developers, than the game would definitely be the best Flight Sim ever made.

Well the way I look at it - Microsoft made a business decision - whereas in previous versions they released the sdk, and allowed 3PD's to create content, and profit off of the core MS product, they have decided to take this route themselves - release a core product, and create and profit off their own DLC. Yes, many of the 3PD's are probably more "passionate" about the flight sim community, as many of them got into the business from being avid flight simmers themselves, but they do it for profit as well, at least the more popular and larger ones do. I am sure there are many that barely break even, or even take a hit, to do what they love because of their passion.But one really cannot fault MS, for taking this business approach - as it also is becoming the approach/business model many other developers are now taking as well.Who is to say though, that current 3PD's for MSFS are out now? There has already been a statement from the Flight developer, that is not being ruled out, may be couple of years but not ruled out. And who is to say, they might not contract with some of the current 3PD's to produce DLC for them?There are many possiblities out there. There has already been a post by REX in their forums, that states that they cannot discuss anything related to REX and Flight. Sounds like an NDA to me, while speculation it was an interesting comment...I think it will be very interesting to see the progress on Flight going forward indeed.

Well the way I look at it - Microsoft made a business decision - whereas in previous versions they released the sdk, and allowed 3PD's to create content, and profit off of the core MS product, they have decided to take this route themselves - release a core product, and create and profit off their own DLC. Yes, many of the 3PD's are probably more "passionate" about the flight sim community, as many of them got into the business from being avid flight simmers themselves, but they do it for profit as well, at least the more popular and larger ones do. I am sure there are many that barely break even, or even take a hit, to do what they love because of their passion.But one really cannot fault MS, for taking this business approach - as it also is becoming the approach/business model many other developers are now taking as well.Who is to say though, that current 3PD's for MSFS are out now? There has already been a statement from the Flight developer, that is not being ruled out, may be couple of years but not ruled out. And who is to say, they might not contract with some of the current 3PD's to produce DLC for them?There are many possiblities out there. There has already been a post by REX in their forums, that states that they cannot discuss anything related to REX and Flight. Sounds like an NDA to me, while speculation it was an interesting comment...I think it will be very interesting to see the progress on Flight going forward indeed.

Agreed!I don't like the decision, but I'm sure if I were in their shoes I probably would have done the same. I just think that the game would be that much better if they kept the same platform and improved on it.

Oh, my mistake. I didn't realize all the 3PD FSX scenery was free.

lol, pretty much free, considering all the hard work they put in. Look at REX Essentials is free for current REX users! that's insane. Orbx did a fantastic job and the scenery they put out is top quality, puts the quality of Microsofts airports and sceneries to shame IMO. PMDG gave us quite literally a Boeing 737NG. The list really goes on. I really don't think there is all that much work (in comparison) that goes into the scenery and aircraft that is in Flight.

Oh, my mistake. I didn't realize all the 3PD FSX scenery was free.

Are you aware that most of it was free? I'd like to think that the freeware community helped raise the standard of what the payware community had to offer. Either way, freeware and payware would both compete with Microsoft, and I don't think that's in thier plans at this time.

lol, pretty much free, considering all the hard work they put in. Look at REX Essentials is free for current REX users! that's insane. Orbx did a fantastic job and the scenery they put out is top quality, puts the quality of Microsofts airports and sceneries to shame IMO. PMDG gave us quite literally a Boeing 737NG. The list really goes on. I really don't think there is all that much work (in comparison) that goes into the scenery and aircraft that is in Flight.

You must not be looking carefully then. Remember that 3PD releases one airport or one region at a time at a cost much higher than Flight DLC. Comparing FSDT Honolulu Intl and Flight Honolulu Intl, besides cars and the moving gates, the Flight version has a much better rendered terminal building with more accurate proportion in certain area and a lot more polygons for details. Also remember that the Hawaiian pack comes with a well done plane and missions.

You must not be looking carefully then. Remember that 3PD releases one airport or one region at a time at a cost much higher than Flight DLC. Comparing FSDT Honolulu Intl and Flight Honolulu Intl, besides cars and the moving gates, the Flight version has a much better rendered terminal building with more accurate proportion in certain area and a lot more polygons for details. Also remember that the Hawaiian pack comes with a well done plane and missions.

Yes but FSX was limited with its scenery, I'm sure if FSDT could work with Flight's engine, it would be much better than what Microsoft produced (I'm not saying the quality is bad, just not as good as it could be). We'll see where the game goes, it's still very early in it's development, and there is a lot of potential. It's just a little disappointing that I have to wait even longer for an improved sim.

...Flight fans suffer from "the new toy syndrome"?

Whose 'suffering'? Lol - And what's all this about empty airports? Today there were a handful of different aircraft at one small airport. In less time that it takes to load other sims, I was flying and talking with 'pilots' from Estonia, Romania, & Britain...

Microsoft, just give us a good engine with great flight physics and weather, atc, etc. Let the professionals like PMDG, ORBx, Flytampa, etc. do what they do best. I agree that Flight looks pretty in good, and better than FSX in many ways, and don't get me wrong, I love the performance, buuuutt...if those third party developers were making the DLC then it would be so much better than what Microsoft is doing. Microsoft only cares about the money, but our trusted third party developers actually care about us.I look at the DLC we get for FSX in comparison to default FSX and it's just astonishing. Just look at what REX is doing with Essentials, and what PMDG did with the NGX. If they had an engine that was really easy to work with for our third party developers, than the game would definitely be the best Flight Sim ever made.

Are you kidding me, have you looked at Orbx forums lately....peeeeeeeeeelease....

Are you kidding me, have you looked at Orbx forums lately....peeeeeeeeeelease....

Are you referring to the fact the Orbx won't be posting any release date, upcoming project and offer discount?