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Do you want the 777-200/ER?

Do you want the 777-200/ER  

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Simply - NO. You see?

 

-200ER is history, look to the future and get use to 200LR. If you want -200ER you can try PSS or POSKY. -200ER is so limited, there are even no racked wingtips. -200ER can fly just 7700nm, way too low range.

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I remember Robert mentioning during his briefing at the conference in Germany that this plane was special to him dating back to his days at UA. I'm sure they will model it. There will be 3 different engine types to deal with and a different model and flight deck, so it could take a little while after the LR and -300ER are out. The -200ER is still very popular and will be around for a while. No airline has opted for the extra fuel tanks on the LR, but as DL has demonstrated, the like the LR because it had a higher MTOW and the -200ER. Even if it's more expensive, some airlines might eventually replace their -200ERs with the LR.

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Simply - NO. You see?

 

-200ER is history, look to the future and get use to 200LR. If you want -200ER you can try PSS or POSKY. -200ER is so limited, there are even no racked wingtips. -200ER can fly just 7700nm, way too low range.

 

WOW, ONLY 7700nm! :Hypnotized:

 

Seriously, Thats huge. I cant think of any flight I want to simulate that is longer than that. As some examples.

 

Dubai to Melbourne is 6400nm, This is a Loooong flight, as anyone who has flown it can confirm.

Dubai to San Francisco is 7625nm, So right on the edge of the ERs envelope. This is a Very Long flight!

Singapore to London is 5923nm,

Hong Kong to New York is 7431nm

Melboure to Los Angles is 6902nm.

 

This is just an example of some Very long flights that are doable in the ERs 7700nm.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it is obvious the community demands these models, (9 in 10 PMDG users want the 200A/ER modeled) as they are the ones they see and fly on when they travel. It is very rare to see a LR.

 

In my personal opinion they should do the 300A as well. This is my favorite variant, I don't know why, but it always has been. Even more so after I enjoyed a very comfortable 6 hours on one a few weeks ago.

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Yea, that can be long enough for some guys. The point is -200LR is base pack, you have to buy it anyway. As you get the best version with basepack, there is no reason to buy expansion that is in every aspect limited compared with basepack. You already have 9500nm range , why would you want to limit your range to 7700nm?

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As I said in my post above, maybe not very clearly.

People want to fly in the sim the aircraft they see when they are at the airport, or the aircraft they have flown on.

Im am sure very few of us here have actually flown on the 200LR, It is very rare in real life. The ER or A models im sure most of us posting in this thread have flown on as a passenger. The LR and F are the only T7 models I haven't flown on

 

Also, as im sure your aware, PMDG users like to be very realistic in their operation of there aircraft, so operating the 200LR for an airline on a route operated by the classic models wont sit well for some users. Obviously there are those who will be happy with just the base pack. but many more will want the expansions.

 

Slightly veering off topic now, and going into a little speculation. I know and understand the reasons for the 200LR been the base pack and I think this choice will work in PMDG's favor profit wise as the least popular model is the base so people feel they need to buy the expansions of the more popular models. I can see there been 2 or 3 expansions to the 777. The 200LR base pack, which may or may not include the LRF, The 300ER package, and a classics package which includes the 200A/ER 300A. The F could be included in any of those packs or be a standalone package.

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I'm one of those picky ones who likes to reproduce real-world ops as closely as possible, so an AA 777-100LR for example, would not work for me. I don't mind buying the -200ER as a 3rd expansion after the -300ER.

 

The longest route I flew on a -200ER was KDFW-RKSI on Korean Air back in 2004. The plane as an incredible range. And like I said earlier, no airline has opted for the extra tanks that give the LR the ultra long range since cargo is more profitable for them.

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Yea, that can be long enough for some guys. The point is -200LR is base pack, you have to buy it anyway. As you get the best version with basepack, there is no reason to buy expansion that is in every aspect limited compared with basepack. You already have 9500nm range , why would you want to limit your range to 7700nm?

 

It isn't all about range......

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Of all the 777's in the family, the 300ER is, in my opinion, the most iconic version today. It's got the size which of course attributes to it's good looks, the range, and the famous GE90-115B's. In fact I'm really glad to see it will make the first expansion in this product line.

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Im not really interested is any -200 except maybe the LR. I think the -300ER is going to be replacing those old -200s over the next few years , as the technologhy is starting to show its age. Whenever i see a carrier like American Airlines using there -200s , I Just fell they are archaic compared to the much newer Emirates or Air New zealand -300ER.

 

Robin.

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It isn't all about range......

 

+111111!

 

The 772/ER is where the 777 started, it didn't just get to where it is now right out the box. Not too many airlines these days really take it to it's 7,000nm maximum range (not sure if any actually do). I know BA's longest flight is around 13 Hours down to South America somewhere.

 

At the end of the day everyone has a personal preference, most I've spoke to the 77W now is becoming their favourites. I however love every Variant in the 777 fleet and I'd love for them all to be built! Saying you shouldn't build it because it can ''ONLY'' fly up too 7,000nm is no excuse (To the person that said it).

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Its not only about range, -200ER is inferior in every single aspect compared with -200LR

 

You suddenly popped up over the last few months. Still haven't got your name in your signature.

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You suddenly popped up over the last few months. Still haven't got your name in your signature.

And you need some glasses for sure.

My name is in signature, where is your?

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And you need some glasses for sure.

My name is in signature, where is your?

 

Name is LJ?

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He's just gonna keep disagreeing cause his opinion is always right in his mind. By his logic, the 777LR is better than the dc-6 too, so it shouldn't be made either. The 747-8 is better than the -400 so why make a v2?

 

Simmers come to PMDG for realistic simulations. People clearly want the -200er cause people want realism and a lot of their favorite airlines fly it. (mine is AA). Stop arguing for the sake of arguing and pooping on others wishes, and generally being an antagonist. (lol I said pooping. Sounds funny, but I'm keeping it in my post)

 

Plus, if you're gonna buy the LR, then why does it matter if other people want the ER?

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If you are happy with the LR then that's awesome so don't thrash others who want a stretched airplane or an airplane that their favorite airline flies, plus I bet a good majority of the PMDG 777's that will take to the virtual skies will not regularly fly to its near limit range wise.

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He's just gonna keep disagreeing cause his opinion is always right in his mind. By his logic, the 777LR is better than the dc-6 too, so it shouldn't be made either. The 747-8 is better than the -400 so why make a v2?

 

Simmers come to PMDG for realistic simulations. People clearly want the -200er cause people want realism and a lot of their favorite airlines fly it. (mine is AA). Stop arguing for the sake of arguing and pooping on others wishes, and generally being an antagonist. (lol I said pooping. Sounds funny, but I'm keeping it in my post)

 

Plus, if you're gonna buy the LR, then why does it matter if other people want the ER?

 

If you are happy with the LR then that's awesome so don't thrash others who want a stretched airplane or an airplane that their favorite airline flies, plus I bet a good majority of the PMDG 777's that will take to the virtual skies will not regularly fly to its near limit range wise.

Ok here we are now,

 

Why should I stop to poop on other's wishes while in same time they are pooping on my own wishes?

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Ok here we are now,

 

Why should I stop to poop on other's wishes while in same time they are pooping on my own wishes?

 

Seriously? You are saying you are happy with just the LR. No one is saying you cant have this. The MAJORITY of potential customers will like the option to buy the 200ER expansion, Showing to PMDG that it will be a worthwhile investment to model this variant. If i'm honest, you need to grow up and stop been so selfish.

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Seriously? You are saying you are happy with just the LR. No one is saying you cant have this. The MAJORITY of potential customers will like the option to buy the 200ER expansion, Showing to PMDG that it will be a worthwhile investment to model this variant. If i'm honest, you need to grow up and stop been so selfish.

 

PMDG will decide for sure. Im selfish because others are selfish too, I tried to support every single thing but obviously the majority do not want to appreciate my effort , so I became selfish just like the majority. Its a business for me as much as for PMDG, so now, I watch and support my own interests only.

 

Sry, I do not want to see -200ER.

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I don't want the triple 7... I NEED the triple 7. Please, please and please...do it!! :Praying:

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I don't want the triple 7... I NEED the triple 7. Please, please and please...do it!! :Praying:

 

they are doing it, and anyway, i am sure AAL 77W is coming soon, so that wil be on the first expansion, estimated one month after base release :Party:

 

Simply - NO. You see?

 

-200ER is history, look to the future and get use to 200LR. If you want -200ER you can try PSS or POSKY. -200ER is so limited, there are even no racked wingtips. -200ER can fly just 7700nm, way too low range.

 

It may be history, but thats the point.

Many poeple have memorys, including Robert, that are special to them.

My first Flight where i started to get in to Aviation was on AA56, a 777-200ER LHR-MIA , Robert had memorys with it at his first airline, the launch Customer for the 772

people will always have contrasting Opinions, but, it is very iconic, and, although starting to be Historic, still very popular in the flight simming community, with the airlines, and the customers that fly on them .

 

 

Also, i want a -200, i tried a PSS/POSKY merge, its very glitchy and buggy, not good for flying, so for this oppertunity to come out, not just a payware , little detailed 772(ER), but its a PMDG detailed 772(ER), and like i said earlier, some people have been waiting fo rthis day ever since, well, i guess since people started to realise the excellence in PMDG's products.

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PMDG will decide for sure. Im selfish because others are selfish too, I tried to support every single thing but obviously the majority do not want to appreciate my effort , so I became selfish just like the majority. Its a business for me as much as for PMDG, so now, I watch and support my own interests only.

 

Sry, I do not want to see -200ER.

Most of your comments are borderline absurd and quite frankly seem rather childish. It's quite clear that you have made your point, we get it, YOU do not want a 200/ER expansion. The reasons you give pertain to your personal feelings of how YOU think a virtual flight should be.

 

I voted YES to the 200/ER because this airframe is the one I plan to do most of my flights in, the LR will most likely be collecting dust in my hanger.

 

Ok here we are now,

 

Why should I stop to poop on other's wishes while in same time they are pooping on my own wishes?

Seriously? Wow, you are now approaching complete ridiculousness with that comment. You are getting the LR in the base pack, how does this poll and consequently them producing a 200/ER how did you put it... "poop on your wishes"? oh boy......

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