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What are you flying around PNW and the other NA areas?

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Obviously we all have our favourite/favourites amongst the aircraft we fly but I started doin some of the maths/nav plotting recently and that lead me to look at a couple of factors.

 

Now for Tail Draggers my top 2 are A2A's cub and SibWings Bird Dog. IMHO superb models that fly well and enable you to tackle just about any surface you can land on! However unless you have a LOT of spare time (and a partner who's given up on your "time wasting" on FSX) you need something faster to cover greater distances. Apart from some of the latest Turboprop Singles that means a twin.

 

So I then started looking at runway lengths on all the ORBX add-on fields. I also looked at "What we got in the box". Obviously the Baron and King Air stick out as obvious candidates and of the 2 the King Air is obviously the fastest. They used to operate a King Air from my real world field at Denham (Just North of Heathrow) so I decided to try out the Default King Air from my copy of Denham (http://www.mutleysha.../ncm/denham.htm which btw is absolutley spot on bar some rather tall trees on the approach to 24 ...oh and I only saw the grass runway across the main runway used once in 14 years) only to find myself ploughing through the perimeter fence long before I could lift off. It was then that I realised that the Default King Air is a 350 model. The one that operated when I was there was a 200. Looking at the takeoff rolls for the two models I was amazed to find that the 200 could operate from 2000' strips (Denham had 2500 if you used every inch of tarmac ...and they did reverse the 200 up to the very end before starting their roll!!) whereas the 350 requires between 2700 and 3300' according to load.

 

So looking at my spreadsheet of ORBX field data I see that this leaves very few fields from which the Default King Air could operate. Why they chose that over the much more commonly operated 200 goodness knows?

 

SO.....

 

To twins? Basically to operate out of most ORBX NA add-on fields they have to be able to operate in or out of a 2000' strip.

 

I recently bought the MilViz Cessna 310R. To my mind one of the prettiest GA twins ever built. It's a great model and has good reviews so I was delighted to see that they've just released a B55 Baron (shorter than the Default B58) but by all accounts every bit as good as the C310. It's on my list.

 

I've also got Carenado's excellent C337H so I'm pretty well kitted for smaller twins.

 

I've been looking at the (originally FS9) PA31 Navajo http://www.avsim.com...vajo/Navajo.htm by FSD which I got a ride in on a trip round outback fields and station strips in Australia. A bit bigger and I know from that trip a good rough strip performer. Interested to hear from anyone who has it?

 

Carenado's Cessna C340 is an obvious upgrade from the 310?

 

Moving to turbo's Carenado's C90 King Air is an obvious choice but I understand there are two King Air 200's out there http://www.sim-outho...X-King-Air-B200 if you're into doing some modifications.

 

BTW almost forgot the Carenado Cessna Caravan & Cargo version. Found an excellent mod the other day to make the alt/vs gauge buttons work. Much easier to fly with TrackIR now. I find the small "mouse click areas to use the knobs and switches in their excellent virtual cockpits a pain using Track IR? Just me? Anyone seen any other fixes for that?

 

I'm interested in anyone's experience or feedback on these or their own favourites.

 

There's some excellent freeware out there too. The P6 Pilatus being one of my favourites. I notice that FSD does an excellent pack of those with Wheels, Floats and Skis ....so that's on the list too!

 

Any reviews, feedback, recommendations?

 

Also any Good Pacific/NW repaints anyone's found for anything?

 

Geoff

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Hi Geoff,

I deleted all my GA aircraft you name it I had it, but now I have only Baytower RV7 and RealAir Duke Turbine.

I just don't think there is any better. The RealAir has engine failure and I love that. You have to do it by the book or your engines will cut out.

 

The only other aircraft in my hanger now are Acc-sim A2A and PMDG 737. Everything else I binned.

 

I don't wast by time flying eye candy with no depth anymore.

MilViz is the only make I have never had so no comment on them.

 

For short hopes round Orbx the RV7 is perfect and have the best rain effects I have seen.

 

Good luck in getting your next GA half the fun is looking.

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Hi David,

 

I know what you mean about Depth. The A2A aacusim stuff is brilliant. I've also got the Aerosoft PBY Catalina which requires really careful engine management. I really ought to backup all my Airliners because I never fly them. Later maybe, and whilst I can see the attraction for those who like them I prefer more "Seat of the Pants" right now.

 

I've often wondered what effect having loads of aircraft loaded has on start up times on the Sim. How many add-ons rely on "Default" aircraft being present etc.

 

BTW the Accu-Feel standalone add-on is a great way to give some extra immersion in any existing aircraft and I thoroughly recommend that. A lot of good effects for a small price .... but works best at volume levels that tend to bring complaints from SWMBO Just%20Kidding.gif

 

Geoff

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Yes the Aerosoft PBY Catalina is one great very over looked aircraft. It as the most amazing sound on full throttle on take off. Forgot all about it I might re-install it, thanks for the reminder Geoff.

 

Accu-Feel is a must have for all GA's.

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Except the realair legacy which has its on ( and better ) version of accu feel. If you could only own one ga it has to be the legacy !

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The legacy looks good but I'd forgotten Real Air did a Duke. In fact they do a piston and a turbine version and indee both in one package at a discount over the individual models. Another possible for the list?

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I am a RealAir Turbine Duke evangelist and with good reason.

 

IMHO it is to this day the best GA twin ever made for FSX.

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Carenado C90B, Grand Caravan, C337, Milviz C310, B55 and RealAir (Turbine) Duke are my favourite planes for the PNW area...

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Well FSD have a special promotion on this weekend so their P6 and Navajo are now bought and paid for. The Milviz Baron was a "must have" too .......so the CC will have to have a rest for a bit now :wink: . Good to see two positive feedbacks on the Real Air Duke. Whilst downloading the FSD stuff I noticed that their version of the C337 comes with the proper Military version too. Don't suppose anyone has that AND the Carenado one? If so how do they compare?

 

Geoff

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IMHO it is to this day the best GA twin ever made for FSX.

 

Love the Duke and recommend it all the time as well (actually recommend the package deal with both piston and turbine Duke), but "best" in this context is pretty subjective. Despite how good the Turbine Duke is, the 337 is far and away my favorite twin for PNW exploring, in part because of the cockpit visibility. The Duke is pretty much at the other end of this spectrum, as its cockpit vis is pretty limited. Not a knock on RealAir, that's the way the plane is. For a turbine conversion, I prefer Carenado's JetProp for PNW, as the cockpit vis is better. On the other hand, the Duke can get in and out of ridiculously short runways. Both of these really only work well if you get 'em high, so any sightseeing is done from altitude, not from flying up a valley.

 

I would cautiously recommend the new B55 Baron. If you've ever spent time in a classic Baron, this becomes a must have. Along with the 337, it's the plane that most makes me believe I'm actually sitting in the cockpit of a classic piston plane. Some may dismiss this as "eye candy", but I consider it part of the immersive experience, and the Baron's panel is a work of art. I say cautiously recommend because the plane has had a few early teething pains, but Milviz has been extremely receptive to comments and responsive to fixing or promising to fix real issues - a new FDE has already been made available and a service pack is forthcoming, as well as a couple of model/engine options. I think this is going to be a plane I spend a lot of time in - my flight time is already climbing following the new FDE.

 

Others have mentioned RealAir's new Lancair Legacy, and it is indeed a gem and well suited for fun in PNW. Like the Dukes, it flys right, stuff works, RXP integration is perfect, sounds are great, the documentation is exceptional and all that, but unlike the Dukes cockpit visibility is also exceptional. This is a plane to sightsee in, or go fast and get places - so long as you don't want to take all your friends along. Unlike others, the whole shake the panel thing still doesn't quite resonate with me (excuse the pun), but maybe I'll grow to like it in time. And it's easily turned off if, like me, you find you don't care for it.

 

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If you could only own one ga it has to be the legacy !

 

But again, I'd have to disagree. Good as the Legacy is (it's exceptional), if I could own only one GA aircraft, it wouldn't be the Legacy. There are other GA planes that I'm more interested in IRL for a host of personal and practical reasons, and I expect I'm not alone in finding that I fly what I do in the sim only in part because a plane is modeled well.

 

As for the C90 - I fly the C90 because I always wanted to fly a King Air, and now I can. But it's really more about flying the King Air than it is about flying it in PNW if you get what I mean.

 

Scott

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Talking of "Shake, Rattle & Roll" another of my favourites is this. http://www.avsim.com/pages/0807/Do-27/Do-27.htm As you can see from the screengrabs in the review this has some of the best "weathering" and general wear and tear of any FSX models. There's no doubt that the additional "eye candy" makes for a far more immersive experience. After all we're all posting here because we spent our Pounds/Bucks/Euros on the best Scenery "eye candy" out there. I totally agree however that this is only part of what makes a good simulator.

 

Well with such glowing praise the Dukes just have to be on the list :good: .....but quite apart from my CC bill I need to spend some time actually flying the new stuff first!

 

Geoff

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Carenado SkyMaster and the C185 Bush Series are perfect for ORBX scenery. I also spend time in the PMDG NGX as ORBX even looks great from 40000 feet.

 

Between those you cover all of the ORBX world, and at all altitudes. You can get in and out of the most remote airstrips with the bush series or fly all the way from Ketchikan to Jackson Hole on the Alaska Airlines 737-900. The Skymaster is perfect for cruising the coast lines.

 

Cheers

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.....but quite apart from my CC bill I need to spend some time actually flying the new stuff first!

 

So true! I'd declared a personal moratorium on new aircraft as I already have a goodly number that I really enjoy flying. Then Milviz relased the Baron and RealAir the Lancair... and I'm weak.

 

But really - no new aircraft for me for a while. And this time I mean it. Probably.

 

Scott

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Well I've had a play with all of my new purchases, briefly as real life intervenes as usual, and I'd make the following observations. The FSD stuff shows it's age a bit from an "eye candy" point of view, both models being developed from FS9 models but The Navajo has a well used appearance and the PC6's extraordinary performance would make folk howl that it was unrealistic if there weren't so many You-Tube clips that show just how incredibly the real thing performs! Very good documentation and an easy Loadmaster for both aircraft ....well three! because the Navajo has a higher powered derivative in the pack as well.

 

Having some issues with the Baron, as documented elsewhere, but have downloaded the patch and just need time to try it again.

 

Have to admit matthew haven't spent much time at FL400! Still as they say "The two most useless things to an aviator are altitude above you and runway behind you". ....so maybe I should give it a try? :wink:

 

Geoff

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Having some issues with the Baron, as documented elsewhere, but have downloaded the patch and just need time to try it again.

 

Geoff, the patch is a must and corrects some pretty substantial rudder, brake and trim issues as well as some other things, but its an FDE change only at this point. Don't know what else you're seeing or where you've posted, but there are other issues and a SP is pending.

 

Good luck,

 

Scott

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Can anyone recommend a slow-but-not-too-slow single engine aeroplane for flying IFR? I don't have a plane in my hangar that meets all those requirements. I love the A2A Cub, but it's very slow. Ant's P92 has the right performance but it doesn't have all the right gauges. I'm not a fan of Carenado planes as I reckon they lack depth and polish. I also don't want a performance model like a Lancair - as I said, slow-but-not-too-slow.

 

It's a pity there isn't an Accu-sim Skyhawk or Cherokee, that would be perfect.

 

Cheers,

 

Mike

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With Carenado aircraft out of the equation it does limit things.

 

The Milviz Baron and and 310 are very good but probably not too low or slow for you.

 

The Baytower RV-7 is very nice (my preferred GA aircraft nowadays) but not fully IFR equiped IIRC - in saying that you may want to check what it is equiped with as I'm mainly a VFR flyer.

 

The only other solution I think of is the Flight 1 Cessna 182 which has a glass cockpit (you need a good PC as the glass has a FPS hit) or their newish FSX Cessna Cardinal. I dont have either of these but the feedback I have read seems pretty good. You might want to also check out their Skycatcher (not sure whether its IFR equipped) and the Lionheart Creations range of GA aircraft.

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Agree with Matthew; the 185 Bush with big, fat tundra tyres is great for getting in and out of those "awkward" strips...I find myself flying teh Epic LT from Lionheart a lot. It isn't slow and it isn't nearly as good as the offerings from Carenado and RealAir. I don't have the MilViz B55 yet, but it's on my list!

 

Flew the LT from CYPK to the new KJAC last night, and weaving through those mountains is just breathtaking!

 

jake

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One airplane is all you need as long as you don't want to fly much above 10000 ft. Britten-Norman BN2. Perfect for low and (very) slow. Get in and out of any airfield you want, including those wonderful USFA remote airstrips.

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I'm not a fan of Carenado planes as I reckon they lack depth and polish.

 

Carenado seems to generate more love/hate than anyone else on the market. Love mine, but then all of them are recent efforts and all but one features Bernt Stolle FDEs. No, they're not perfect, but I've yet to find a "perfect" GA plane, not even the RealAirs good as they are. See my and other comments about the 337 - still my favorite plane. Not a single, but with its centerline engines it's the next best thing and a great IFR practice platform; not too fast, not too slow. Add in a RealityXP 530 and you get LPV approaches to boot.

 

Scott

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I've been flying the Milviz Baron 55 around ORBX New Zealand and loving it! I've also done the first three missions from the included mission pack (separate download) which is essentially training on the aircraft with multi engine operations and emergency procedures. The last mission is a checkride; expecting you to perform the manoeuvres within FAA practical test standards. I find the aircraft performs very well and fly by numbers is very good. Excellent support as well, and the braking and rudder issues have been addressed.

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Can anyone recommend a slow-but-not-too-slow single engine aeroplane for flying IFR? I don't have a plane in my hangar that meets all those requirements. I love the A2A Cub, but it's very slow. Ant's P92 has the right performance but it doesn't have all the right gauges. I'm not a fan of Carenado planes as I reckon they lack depth and polish. I also don't want a performance model like a Lancair - as I said, slow-but-not-too-slow.

 

It's a pity there isn't an Accu-sim Skyhawk or Cherokee, that would be perfect.

 

Cheers,

 

Mike

Hi Mike,

 

Things have changed a lot since my real flying days because the technology and price of "glass" panels has improved and come down respectively. However many of the older single engined aircraft are still operating with the analogue cockpits they were built with 30-40 years ago. Certainly here in the UK an autopilot was rarer than hen’s teeth in a single! It depends by what you call "meets all the requirements"?

 

Here in the UK we had an intermediate (unique) license rating that was an IMC rating. I'm going back a few years btw. Europe's changed all our ratings nowadays. The idea was that PPL holders could learn instrument flying, procedures, holds and ILS approaches without having to do the massive amount of hours to get a full Instrument rating. The idea was that as our weather is very changeable and sometimes very quickly, it would prepare PPL holders to cope if the weather closed in on them. Even the basic UK PPL had some instrument "under the hood" training, but without any IR privileges on your license.

 

The trainers I learnt in were a Socata Rallye GT150, soloing in it the week before our worst ever storm in Southern England flipped it over and wrote it off. I completed my Training in a Slingsby T67C which was a brilliant piece of kit. Shame no one’s made the three variants of that for FSX. Both of these were fitted with radio nav aids.

 

Having done the majority of my real flying in a C172 I’d say that even the Default one in FSX has enough equipment to fly IFR. In fact it has an autopilot and even a semi-glass cockpit version. I think it’s pretty good and still often use it for exploring scenery. It flies pretty realistically by the numbers for “normal” flight. There are better flight models out there but I've yet to find a great model AND great flight modelling for the C172. Mind you you won't be doing any spins in IFR?!!!!

 

The Carenado version has the much older avionics of another C172 I flew in occasionally and I never did any instrument training in that. It also had one of the early Monochrome GPS units in it which most of us never used It's pretty good but not one of my "top" choices.

 

Don’t forget that although the ORBX regions have a good amount of ADF and VOR beacons few of the ORBX fields and strips will have ILS’s

 

Geoff

 

PS since I started this Dan posted the link to the Islander. Now that IS a brilliant model and it's perfect for our region. Greta short field and load carrying performance. Full IFR kit, a well behaved twin and not too fast.

 

PPS Just noticed this http://www.realairsimulations.com/list_box.php?page=coming

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Thanks for the tips, guys. Geoff, as far as IFR, I basically just want a VOR display with CDI, and ILS display. I know I'm being picky but I don't like having an EFIS in a light plane either. I'll take a look at the Islander and Skymaster (even though it's a Carenado plane I've seen a lot of screenshots of it and it sure does look good), and maybe the Milviz B55 too. I would prefer a single engine aircraft, but it's slim pickings and beggars can't be choosers.

 

I had a quick look at the Flight1 Cardinal and Skycatcher, but the Skycatcher doesn't seem to get much praise in reviews, and I couldn't find any for the Cardinal.

 

Cheers,

 

Mike

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I'll take a look at the Islander and Skymaster (even though it's a Carenado plane I've seen a lot of screenshots of it and it sure does look good), and maybe the Milviz B55 too.

 

Mike, if you decide to try the 337, be sure and check out some of the discussions in the support forum. Bert Pieke has an updated set of bitmaps to fix the Collins radio problem (both are labeled Collins Com, rather than one being Nav). The 337 flies more like a complex single than the average light twin due to the centerline thrust, so you can fly it more like a single at least in the sense that you don't need to worry about assymetrical thrust issues. The B55 is a more typical light twin.

 

I had a quick look at the Flight1 Cardinal and Skycatcher, but the Skycatcher doesn't seem to get much praise in reviews, and I couldn't find any for the Cardinal.

 

There was a fairly lengthy discussion in the main FSX forum a while back on the Cardinal, so you might search there a bit. Most seemed to like it as I recall, and since it's a Flight1 plane there 's no risk in giving it a try. I was tempted, as I have a fair bit of 177 time, but I was kinda put off that Flight1 didn't model at least the general shape and design of the unique Cardinal panel, which is part of the plane's charm. Their's is modernized and models a complete panel remake, rather than the classic with updated avionics. Still it does seem closer to what you're wanting.

 

Good luck,

 

Scott

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Another one which I forgot to mention is the Aerosoft Diamond Katana which has its own version of Accusim

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