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Thanks for that H/U,Al but I'm completely off anything to do with JF after their Viscount. I now will not touch anything of theirs. However, I'm saving up for the A2A Spitfire which from all accounts I've read, is the definitive one to get.

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Sounds interesting. I'm still an FS9 guy but when I do finally give in to FSX, I might look at this. I have a rather love hate relationship with PFE currently, which matches comms up with the surrounding ai and has accents that match the airline and airspace. Occasionally though it does daft and annoying things and is not as user friendly because it lacks a menu to see which button does what. Looks like this might have the edge, if they get it nailed. I'll bookmark this one.

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Sounds interesting. I'm still an FS9 guy but when I do finally give in to FSX, I might look at this. I have a rather love hate relationship with PFE currently, which matches comms up with the surrounding ai and has accents that match the airline and airspace. Occasionally though it does daft and annoying things and is not as user friendly because it lacks a menu to see which button does what. Looks like this might have the edge, if they get it nailed. I'll bookmark this one.

 

Not to hijack this thread but PFE has a program called pfe_display.exe that brings up a little GUI with the current button functions.

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Not to hijack this thread but PFE has a program called pfe_display.exe that brings up a little GUI with the current button functions.

 

Yes I've tried to launch the PFE display utility but nothing happens. Weird. Anyway, sorry for going off topic....

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Yes I've tried to launch the PFE display utility but nothing happens. Weird

 

Hello

You need the VB6 runtimes installed which are available on the Oncourse support site and from MS directly.

You will also need closed caption enabled in PFE.

PFE Display is great but really needs to be running on a separate display, I run it on a laptop via WideFs

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As noted on the Avsim main page, this is a new FSX add on which offers you three functions to improve your IFR airliner flights: a replacement ATC system, a flight planner and a co-pilot. It is by German developer Pointsoft,

 

Hello Al,

I first bought FSCOM from Pointsoft back in July 2005, back then it was using voice communications via SAPI 4.

This looks to be the same program updated for FSX minus the SAPI components, I would still be using it for FS9 if I could get SAPI 4 to live peacefully alongside the newer SAPI versions.

At its time it was shaping up to be a great program but the author never progressed to adapting it as the MS voice technology progressed.

The adventure compiler produces scripted ATC missions, for want of a better description and so the flights tend to be a bit inflexible but for its time it had some great features.

Today to get the same functionality you would need to use both Flightdeck companion and Proflight Emulator together, a combination which I now prefer.

I am glad to see Mourad Boutabba is still plugging away with this, he is a very clever programmer

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There's an update for the old FS9 version on their site by the way.

 

Al

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Geez $64 for us poor bas###ds in the U.S.

I hope he makes an adjustment. That could buy 22 box's of Cocoa Krispies.

 

Bob

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Geez $64 for us poor bas###ds in the U.S.

I hope he makes an adjustment. That could buy 22 box's of Cocoa Krispies.

 

Bob

If they can get this thing to work, it will be great. Gladly pay the price of 22 boxes of Cocoa Krispies for an inproved ATC program. I like many others went for that bait and switch scam with RC4 with the promise of RC5. I do get a laugh now and then looking at their forum where that one guy checkes in once ina while and say oh yea...RC5 is comming...soon, in a while, someday, oh it's hard to do, but do enjoy RC4...LOL If you don't have RC4 buy it and we will update it to RC5 soon, maybe, someday ect. ect. LOL

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You know the developer who wrote "Ideal Flight"? This guy is incredible. He was in touch all the time with the community and he has a pretty good following now. He was releasing almost every couple of days. Even early on he was taking on requests. It is this kind of involvement that allowed me to buy right away and I have not regretted it. I am sure there are many like myself that if we saw the involvement from the developer and the eagerness, I would jump in, but I am not seeing the involvement right now from this company. You just don't know if they will be around in a month or so. Then what do you have? I am just a little hesitant, but very interested.

 

Bob

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If they can get this thing to work, it will be great. Gladly pay the price of 22 boxes of Cocoa Krispies for an inproved ATC program. I like many others went for that bait and switch scam with RC4 with the promise of RC5. I do get a laugh now and then looking at their forum where that one guy checkes in once ina while and say oh yea...RC5 is comming...soon, in a while, someday, oh it's hard to do, but do enjoy RC4...LOL If you don't have RC4 buy it and we will update it to RC5 soon, maybe, someday ect. ect. LOL

 

Yes, I have heard many on the forums talk about RC5. It really puzzles me why they just don't speak up and really say what is going on. Either "We are working on it, honest", but it is taking more time than we thought. Here are some of the features we will be incorporating" or "Sorry for not keeping you all informed, but we have decided to not move forward with RC5 because we don't have the time". What is so hard about that. You would think they were working on a secret defense contract or something. Oh well.

 

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Thanks for all these insights guys. Still, I'd like to know if this has some basic fundamentals, such as vectoring that isn't:

 

FedEx 784, turn left 280.

 

Left 280, FedEx 784.

 

FedEx 784, turn right 310.

 

Right 310, FedEx 784.

 

FedEx 784, turn left 280.

 

Left 280, FedEx 784.

 

You get the idea. For someone who has neither, and is interested mainly in the ATC aspect, would you recommend Pro ATC, or RC4? Are the checklists different for each aircraft? Has anyone found out if FAA rules apply in FAA space? Thanks.

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The vectoring is more sophisticated than the default ATC. For example, it will say things such as, 'Bravo 232, steer 110, you are cleared to the BIMBO intersection up to 12,000, expect further clearance in less than ten minutes' rather than simply giving you headings and altitudes. A lot depends on the sophistication of your route and how you create it, but it is massively more convincing than the default ATC, that is for sure.

 

Yes, the checklists are different for aircraft, and you can in fact create your own too, which is pretty simple to do, being all menu-driven with drop down selections in windows. And it is a very comprehensive list of items which you can choose from, so it is unlikely that you would not be able to create one to your satisfaction so long as you had some reference for the real aircraft. As I've noted before, the co pilot system is one of its real strong points. The co pilot and checklist customisation in Pro ATC is actually very close to MCE's capabilities in many ways, albeit without voice control, although I believe that too is on the way.

 

Dunno about the FAA stuff, not flown with it in Uncle Sam land yet. Maybe someone who has done so can answer that one.

 

Al

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The vectoring is more sophisticated than the default ATC. For example, it will say things such as, 'Bravo 232, steer 110, you are cleared to the BIMBO intersection up to 12,000, expect further clearance in less than ten minutes' rather than simply giving you headings and altitudes. A lot depends on the sophistication of your route and how you create it, but it is massively more convincing than the default ATC, that is for sure.

 

Yes, the checklists are different for aircraft, and you can in fact create your own too, which is pretty simple to do, being all menu-driven with drop down selections in windows. And it is a very comprehensive list of itms which you can choose from, so it is unlikely that you would not be able to create one to your satisfaction so long as you had some reference for the real aircraft. As I've noted before, the co pilot sysystem is one of its real strong points.

 

Dunno about the FAA stuff, not flown with it in Uncle Sam land yet. Maybe someone who has done so can answer that one.

 

Al

 

Uncle Sam land. Wow, never heard it said quite like that before, but I guess it is in a way. Yes, I would be interested also as to how ATC behaves in the good ole US of A, or the Land of Opportunity or the land where there is a law suit filed every 10 seconds LOL!

 

Bob

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My favourite is when I refer to it as 'the United States of Freedom' when speaking to my American buddies. That one always elicits an ironic groan from them following the more recent PC-obsessed legislations in the US that also plague Europe, which they often complain about, and which, as in Europe, I understand have made it anything but that in a lot of ways.

 

Al

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My favourite is when I refer to it as 'the United States of Freedom' when speaking to my American buddies. That one always elicits an ironic groan from them following the more recent PC-obsessed legislations in the US that also plague Europe, which they often complain about, and which, as in Europe, I understand have made it anything but that in a lot of ways.

 

Al

 

You certainly have a way with words my friend and very well put. Back in the 60's when I was a teenager, we were obsessed with the term "Big Brother is Watching".

I am now what is called a "Libertarian". Basically, we want government out of our way, but the majority of this country is getting very used to having their hand out rather than making an honest living. This is sometimes referred to as a "Nanny State" mentality. I better stop right here before I get myself in trouble.

 

Anyway, I hope someone can reply about FAA ATC and how this software handles this.

 

Bob

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Yup, you can completely disable the co pilot's actions in Pro ATC if you like, and then you could just use its ATC and flight planning functions alongside FS2Crew.

 

 

 

Bit of a harsh summation there, and whilst there is truth in it, to be fair, only one of those you mention is absolutely correct: It actually does interact with the AI, just not UT's AI, so if we are being completely fair, that's an incompatibility with another product, not an incompatibility with FSX, and one presumes with a tweak it could be made to work with others; you can in fact amend your flight plan; not sure what you mean about flying 100 miles out of your way for no reason, I've not seen it do that, but if someone else has, then fair enough; crashes - yup, but only once so far on me, and let's be honest, what program has not done that?; windows close, yup that is absolutely the case, and that is a pain in the arse too, but as much as it is a pain, it is not a total show stopper, it just adds a minute or two to knocking a flight plan together. I definitely want them to sort it out though, because it is annoying.

 

So I agree that some of these things are concerns, but I would not say they preclude us from watching this product with interest, nor indeed from using it, but I certainly do think they make the price tag a bit hard to swallow in its present state, and don't exactly make you fall hopelessly in love with it at the moment, although I do really rate the co pilot function pretty highly.

 

Just had an email saying there's a patch out which fixes some issues incidentally.

 

EDIT: From a quick test, that patch seems to have fixed the window closing randomly problem.

 

Al

 

Sounds like they are patching some of the problems. I too will check back on this in a few months

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Sounds like they are patching some of the problems. I too will check back on this in a few months

 

Yep I agree. I was out camping and fishing last weekend and was so hopeing to get home Sunday afternoon and see reviews that made this the ATC so badly needed in FSX. It does seem that it may be a while til we can make a decision on this addon. Their webste is a bit weak on information and so far not much interaction here on line with the developers. I should quickly add that all can been forgiven if they are busy working on the stuff already mentioned, which I strongly suspect is the case. It is great to have hope for this area of FSX once again!!

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Yep I agree. I was out camping and fishing last weekend and was so hopeing to get home Sunday afternoon and see reviews that made this the ATC so badly needed in FSX. It does seem that it may be a while til we can make a decision on this addon. Their webste is a bit weak on information and so far not much interaction here on line with the developers. I should quickly add that all can been forgiven if they are busy working on the stuff already mentioned, which I strongly suspect is the case. It is great to have hope for this area of FSX once again!!

 

I very much agree with the weak presentation on the website but mostly with the lack of interaction of the dev(s). Take "Ideal Flight" as an example. They came out of nowhere, but because of their unprecedented involvement with community, it allowed potential customers to feel very comfortable. They were taking suggestions on features and thanking everyone for their involvement. To top it off, releases were streaming in at a very fast pace. I bought the product early on because of this. I knew the dedication was there and they proved it. To me this is a business model that all new business should take a look at. RealAir does not need to say much anymore as everyone knows what the end result will be. This product is something that is needed and I do wish them success, but I invite them to get a little more involved at this point in time.

 

Bob

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The vectoring is more sophisticated than the default ATC. For example, it will say things such as, 'Bravo 232, steer 110, you are cleared to the BIMBO intersection up to 12,000, expect further clearance in less than ten minutes' rather than simply giving you headings and altitudes. A lot depends on the sophistication of your route and how you create it, but it is massively more convincing than the default ATC, that is for sure.

 

Yes, the checklists are different for aircraft, and you can in fact create your own too, which is pretty simple to do, being all menu-driven with drop down selections in windows. And it is a very comprehensive list of items which you can choose from, so it is unlikely that you would not be able to create one to your satisfaction so long as you had some reference for the real aircraft. As I've noted before, the co pilot system is one of its real strong points. The co pilot and checklist customisation in Pro ATC is actually very close to MCE's capabilities in many ways, albeit without voice control, although I believe that too is on the way.

 

Dunno about the FAA stuff, not flown with it in Uncle Sam land yet. Maybe someone who has done so can answer that one.

 

Al

 

Thanks. I would however, still like to know if I should $44 towards RC4, or $62 into Pro ATC. Anyone have a suggestion?

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If you want more 'on the fly' ATC capability, such as being able to declare an emergency or divert, and the ability to use voice commands to talk to ATC with something like MCE, plus a bit more flexibility on what flight planner to use, then Radar Contact will let you do that and would be the one to go for. If you want what Pro ATC offers with its built in flight planner, co pilot and ATC, then go for that. Only you can decide which one of those solutions suits you best.

 

Al

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Just a H/U.....Pro ATC now has forum up and running.

 

Thanks,,, just registered

 

Bob

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Thanks,,, just registered

 

Bob

Welcome and thanks for the kind and tasteful words in you sig. reference VETS AND MILITARY. Rerired USAF 1Sgt hereAmerican%20Flag.gif

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Welcome and thanks for the kind and tasteful words in you sig. reference VETS AND MILITARY. Rerired USAF 1Sgt hereAmerican%20Flag.gif

 

Your welcome Sarge. I donate much of my engravings to the families who have lost someone here in SE Texas through the Patriot Guard Riders.

I thank you so much for your service!!

 

Regards

Bob

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