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Hi,

 

Can you turn off or choose what crew announcements will be heard?

 

Bob

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Hi,

 

I was just curious as to whether or not with Pro-ATC running, is the default ATC also running in the background even though the ATC voice is disabled?

 

Bob

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Yup, you can cherry pick what you want on or off.

 

Al

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Yup, you can cherry pick what you want on or off.

 

Al

 

Thanks Al!

 

Bob

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is the default ATC also running in the background even though the ATC voice is disabled?

 

Yes. If you have background Pro-ATC activated for the area you are flying, it will be playing too. I do not know of any way to turn off the default. I do not recall how Radar Contact did it but believe they modified or renamed the USEnglishBig.gvp file and/or the USEnglishASOS.gvp file in the Sound folder.

 

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Jim

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Yes. If you have background Pro-ATC activated for the area you are flying, it will be playing too. I do not know of any way to turn off the default. I do not recall how Radar Contact did it but believe they modified or renamed the USEnglishBig.gvp file and/or the USEnglishASOS.gvp file in the Sound folder.

 

Best regards,

Jim

 

Well that's too bad because will all know how important each cpu cycle is. I hope there is someone else who knows how this can be accomplished. I guess if it is imbedded in code then not much else can be done. Maybe there is a dll or an entry in an xml file that can be changed? No sense in having the code running.

 

Bob

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Is Pro-ATC working okay? Over on the front page I have posted several comments but here are comments from my last flight a couple of days ago -

 

"When this product was first announced, I couldn't even keep folders inside the program open long enough to run it properly (that has now been fixed). I started out with a simple plan from KLAX to KSFO and didn't realize "recalulating" gives you several different routes. The first one it gave me I flew and, instead of taking me to KSFO, it took me to Mina, Nevada, over 200 miles from KSFO. Then, this morning I flew a beautiful flight plan to KSFO via BSR and ATC assigned the BSR2 STAR. Before that though, at LAX, ATC told me to line up on RW 24L which I did. But the FSX default ATC directed an aircraft behind me to line up too and he lined up through my aircraft and actually took off faster than I did. Then, enroute, UK background ATC began running in the background (and you can't stop that until you shut down the flight). At BSR, ATC would not allow me to descend around BSR/Carmel and my FMC kept telling me "Des Path Unachievable". ATC directed descent well past Carmel/BSR and over the Bay. Coming down from 240 it was impossible to achieve a proper descent. Suddenly ATC, at 14000 ft, tells me to descend to 3500 and I'm just crossing the mountains to line up to the 28L approach!! If ATC would have started the descent well before BSR/Carmel, my virtual passengers wouldn't still be screaming. I had to manually dive the aircraft down to FL3500 as ATC was very upset that I hadn't achieve the 3500 flight level (constantly kept telling me to get to FL3500, plus slow down to 200). Otherwise, ProATC worked brilliantly."

 

Well, that last comment may sound sarcastic but it's not meant to be. ProATC has many great features. One is the flight plan. As mentioned I select the departure and then the destination in their flight plan. The program does the rest instantly. You have the waypoints and, like I said, you can hit the 'recalulate' and it will provide several different routes with the same departure/destination. At departure, it will provide you with the SID and runway for departure. That's entered into the flightplan and I can then go ahead and put it in the FMC, say in the 737NGX. Near arrival, you'll get a STAR and the runway for arrival and that's entered into flight plan. I can then enter that data into my FMC. The problem only occurs when the FMC wants to start the descent and ProATC does not. I'm not sure this happens everywhere. It may be just a quirk in my LAX-SFO plan. Another thing I like is the ability to add background ATC. I had some problems with this but it is fixed now and I now can hear US ATC while flying over the US. They also have all the departure/arrival briefings. They may not be totally proper but they are there and you can turn them on/off. I really like the co-pilot handling all the commo between the aircraft and ATC plus making all the commo settings. He/she says gear up but so far I haven't gotten the co-pilot to do that in my 737NGX. Maybe in the default. I think it will eventually be a great program if they can iron out some of the issues as discussed here and in the comments section on the front page.

 

Best regards,

Jim

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Can the software determine the aircraft that will be used and it's capabilites i.e. speed, cruise altitude and tailor the flight plan based on those capabilities?

 

Bob

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So Jim, do you see any fps loss?

 

No Bob. Runs the same as if ProATC wasn't activated in the flight.

 

Can the software determine the aircraft that will be used and it's capabilites i.e. speed, cruise altitude and tailor the flight plan based on those capabilities?

 

The software selects the speed and FL but that can be edited. When you prepare a flight plan you have to select the aircraft you plan on flying, say the 737-800. It needs that data to determine the capabilities of the aircraft as things would be different with a Lear or 747. You can also go in and edit the aircraft capabilities including adding aircraft not known to them and putting in the capabilities of that aircraft. Pretty neat stuff.

 

Best regards,

Jim

 

Best regards,

Jim

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No Bob. Runs the same as if ProATC wasn't activated in the flight.

 

 

 

The software selects the speed and FL but that can be edited. When you prepare a flight plan you have to select the aircraft you plan on flying, say the 737-800. It needs that data to determine the capabilities of the aircraft as things would be different with a Lear or 747. You can also go in and edit the aircraft capabilities including adding aircraft not known to them and putting in the capabilities of that aircraft. Pretty neat stuff.

 

Best regards,

Jim

 

Best regards,

Jim

 

Thanks Jim, appreciate the help.

 

Bob

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Hi,

 

I was just curious as to whether or not with Pro-ATC running, is the default ATC also running in the background even though the ATC voice is disabled?

 

Bob

 

I don't use Pro-ATC, but Radar Contact. I get rid of the ATC voices by turning down the ATC volume to ZERO in the sound preferences within FSX. I don't know if it disables the sound files from playing, but I haven't noticed any performance loss with or without the sound anyway...they're negligable.

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Can the software determine the aircraft that will be used and it's capabilites i.e. speed, cruise altitude and tailor the flight plan based on those capabilities?

 

Bob

 

In addition to the list of aircraft already 'in there' i.e. stuff such as the 737-300, A320 (and some odd ones which we don't even have a decent simulation of, such as the B-720), all of which can be editied and have custom checklists created and assigned if you like, you can add your own aircraft. I had to do that to get the 787 in there. You add parameters thus, here, I'm banging in details for the Dassault Mercure for example:

 

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The flight plans Pro ATC creates will be based on these parameters, so you could, if you wanted to, change the V Speeds and runway requirements before each flight you made if you wanted to.

 

Al

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If the destination airport has no tower nor arrival ATC, but has an ILS, what does Prio-ATC-X do ?

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If the destination airport has no tower nor arrival ATC, but has an ILS, what does Prio-ATC-X do ?

 

You won't get a flight plan. I tried it yesterday to make a flight plan from KORD to KSTL (St Louis). The ProATC program could not find a departing SID or arrival STAR so it denied preparation of the flight plan (as Al stated earlier, there are issues with some of the SID/STARS and routes that come with the program). I think that will surely be ironed out.

 

Best regards,

Jim

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In addition to the list of aircraft already 'in there' i.e. stuff such as the 737-300, A320 (and some odd ones which we don't even have a decent simulation of, such as the B-720), all of which can be editied and have custom checklists created and assigned if you like, you can add your own aircraft. I had to do that to get the 787 in there. You add parameters thus, here, I'm banging in details for the Dassault Mercure for example:

 

1-71.jpg

 

The flight plans Pro ATC creates will be based on these parameters, so you could, if you wanted to, change the V Speeds and runway requirements before each flight you made if you wanted to.

 

Al

 

Thanks Al. One more question. Can you create new manufacturers?

 

Bob

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You won't get a flight plan.

 

(as Al stated earlier, there are issues with some of the SID/STARS and routes that come with the program).

Jim

 

Not very good as I am often flying at smaller airports using the recent payware B90 King Air

 

So a flight plan from CYHZ to CYQM would not show up? These have SID/STAR but they would not be included in Pro-ATCX I suspect

 

That being the case it would be useless to me

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Nope, you cannot. They are fixed, although I daresay you could request that the developers add one. For forty quid they ought to at least offer that LOL. Presently you can choose from:

 

Airbus Industrie, Boeing, Bombardier, BAe, Cessna, Dassault, Dornier, Embraer, Falcon Jet and Gulfstream (there's optimism for you LOL).

 

Al

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Am I reading correctly that Pro ATC is not really compatible with the RXP GPS models. As I understand it, use of the FSX GPS negates use of the RXP units, and visa versa. If the Pro ATC flight plan is dumped into the FSX default GPS, would not this negate use of the RXP units?

 

Respectfully:

RTH

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When something is in the default FSX flight planner, you can save it out and tweak it, or duplicate it on an FMC or GPS. Pro ATC will be comparing your position to a default FSX plan as a part of its functionality, but that doesn't stop you from having either the same thing, or even something completely different in another system such as an FMC or payware GPS or whatever. This is why i was pointing out at the start of this thread that it would be better if one could import and export plans via Pro ATC directly. That you cannot is not a show stopper, but it does make working with it more tedious than it perhaps need be.

 

Al

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When something is in the default FSX flight planner, you can save it out and tweak it, or duplicate it on an FMC or GPS. Pro ATC will be comparing your position to a default FSX plan as a part of its functionality, but that doesn't stop you from having either the same thing, or even something completely different in another system such as an FMC or payware GPS or whatever. This is why i was pointing out at the start of this thread that it would be better if one could import and export plans via Pro ATC directly. That you cannot is not a show stopper, but it does make working with it more tedious than it perhaps need be.

 

Al

 

Al, I think I am missing something here. You stated that it is comparing the default fsx plan. Do I understand this correctly that you do not load the P-ATC plan into FSX, FSX automatically uses the one that is created by P-ATC. Is this how it works?

 

Thanks

Bob

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Not knowing exactly what is going on under the hood, I honestly could not say with certainty how it works, that is just my presumption. I think you'd probably be better off enquiring on the product forum for a definitive answer on that. Remember, this program is fairly new to anyone who has bought it, including me, and I can literally count the amount of flights I've made with it on one hand, so I've not investigated everything about it yet.

 

Al

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I would assume that if the plan created by PATC is not useable by FSX, and folks are getting their pushbacks, ground and in flight comms then it is working the way it was designed. I do agree though that so many of these questions, not just mine, should be asked in the PATC forum. It just makes sense because the dev is not chiming in over here. I am going to post my questions on his forum going forward.

 

Regards

Bob

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I don't doubt that any developer worht their salt is likely to look in on Avsim's forum, especially if they know that their is a seven page thread on their shiny new product, but if people put their requests, desires and suggestions on the actual product forum, it will probably galvanise action a bit quicker.

 

Al

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