ILS Approach Santos Dumont - Rio de Janeiro

[coa1117 53]

The RNAV(RNP) 02R approach is a lot of fun, and I've had way more success with this than the others.

 

As the Navigraph AIRAC doesn't yet contain these approaches (or even the fixes), I worked out the GPS values for the fixes as published here on page ENR 1.5-3. Note that I didn't include AFSNB (IAF) or MIA (MA hold point) because they're already in the Navigraph data. Paste these into the FIXES section of the "SBRJ.txt" file in your SIDSTARS folder, then manually enter the fixes (along with their corresponding altitude values) into the FMC as per the chart.

 

FIX RJ088 LATLON S 22 53.26333 W 43 16.75166
FIX RJ089 LATLON S 22 54.05333 W 43 13.40666
FIX RJ091 LATLON S 22 54.795 W 43 12.17333
FIX RJ092 LATLON S 22 55.92666 W 43 11.69166
FIX RJ093 LATLON S 22 55.79333 W 43 9.695
FIX RJ094 LATLON S 22 53.48833 W 43 9.845
FIX RJ096 LATLON S 22 51.03833 W 43 5.345
FIX RJ099 LATLON S 22 53.325 W 43 6.92

 

I have no idea how to enter the approach procedure in the "Approaches" section of the file. If someone else does, I hope you'll step up.

 

Not sure these are absolutely needed, but I also entered the fixes into the "wpnavfix.txt" file as follows. This took some time as the fixes are sorted in order of their LAT value. Took about 5 minutes to copy and paste them into their correct order in the sort.

 

RJ088				 RJ088-22.887722 -43.279194
RJ089				 RJ089-22.900888 -43.223444
RJ091				 RJ091-22.913250 -43.202888
RJ092				 RJ092-22.932111 -43.194861
RJ093				 RJ093-22.929888 -43.161583
RJ094				 RJ094-22.891472 -43.164083
RJ096				 RJ096-22.850638 -43.089083
RJ099				 RJ099-22.888750 -43.115333

[PGBosak 4]

As the Navigraph AIRAC doesn't yet contain these approaches (or even the fixes)

 

Did you try the second revision of the actual 1207 AIRAC Cycle?

 

 

It's a vulture. The pilot comments: "look, there is a bird there"... Some seconds after: "there's a flock right in front, can you see?" Then he jokes they ended with the birds fun and inform the tower about "many birds on approach"

 

Hmm, very fast bird, maybe a klingon bird of pray? :Thinking:

[coa1117 53]

Did you try the second revision of the actual 1207 AIRAC Cycle?

Yeah. Unless I'm going blind I don't see the RNAV(RNP) 02R fixes in there.

[cmpbellsjc 2,960]

I have no idea how to enter the approach procedure in the "Approaches" section of the file. If someone else does, I hope you'll step up.

 

I think Ryan and Dan Downs know how to write those. Maybe if they see this thread they could post the way to write or format it to show up in the approaches section.

 

Jim Burke

[cmpbellsjc 2,960]

The RNAV(RNP) 02R approach is a lot of fun, and I've had way more success with this than the others.

 

As the Navigraph AIRAC doesn't yet contain these approaches (or even the fixes), I worked out the GPS values for the fixes as published here on page ENR 1.5-3. Note that I didn't include AFSNB (IAF) or MIA (MA hold point) because they're already in the Navigraph data. Paste these into the FIXES section of the "SBRJ.txt" file in your SIDSTARS folder, then manually enter the fixes (along with their corresponding altitude values) into the FMC as per the chart.

 

FIX RJ088 LATLON S 22 53.26333 W 43 16.75166
FIX RJ089 LATLON S 22 54.05333 W 43 13.40666
FIX RJ091 LATLON S 22 54.795 W 43 12.17333
FIX RJ092 LATLON S 22 55.92666 W 43 11.69166
FIX RJ093 LATLON S 22 55.79333 W 43 9.695
FIX RJ094 LATLON S 22 53.48833 W 43 9.845
FIX RJ096 LATLON S 22 51.03833 W 43 5.345
FIX RJ099 LATLON S 22 53.325 W 43 6.92

 

I have no idea how to enter the approach procedure in the "Approaches" section of the file. If someone else does, I hope you'll step up.

 

Not sure these are absolutely needed, but I also entered the fixes into the "wpnavfix.txt" file as follows. This took some time as the fixes are sorted in order of their LAT value. Took about 5 minutes to copy and paste them into their correct order in the sort.

 

RJ088				 RJ088-22.887722 -43.279194
RJ089				 RJ089-22.900888 -43.223444
RJ091				 RJ091-22.913250 -43.202888
RJ092				 RJ092-22.932111 -43.194861
RJ093				 RJ093-22.929888 -43.161583
RJ094				 RJ094-22.891472 -43.164083
RJ096				 RJ096-22.850638 -43.089083
RJ099				 RJ099-22.888750 -43.115333

 

Thanks so much for posting that info. I've always flown it by hand visually since I didn't have any sort of actual lateral guidance and pretty much just went off of what I have witnessed when watching this being flown in real life. However, sometimes I fly the downwind leg a little too close to the airport and then have to make a harder left turn over Flamengo so that I dont get to close to Suger Loaf and give myself time to get lined up with 02R. It's a real fun approach to fly in the sim and is pretty rewarding to fly it perfectly and touch down right past the guard shack that sits next to 02R. It's a lot of fun watching the planes land on 02R in real life as well. In the US you would never be able to get that close to watch the way security is in the US.

 

As far as getting the approach programmed so that the FMC recognizes it, we will probably have to ask Ryan or one of the other guys who is familiar with writing the syntax in the note pad. At least with the info you gave we can now program the approach but it would be cool to save it as well so we didn't need to input it every time.

 

Sean Campbell

[coa1117 53]

At least with the info you gave we can now program the approach but it would be cool to save it as well so we didn't need to input it every time.

 

Exactly. And, does anyone know how changes are initiated in the Navigraph AIRACs? Do suggested changes have to come from an add-on company like PMDG, or can anyone propose additions?

 

On another note, how well the fixes in this approach work for you will probably be dependent on which scenery addons you have. In my case the approach as published brings me a bit too close for comfort to those high hills south of the runway and west of Sugar Loaf. I've also got a skyscraper extremely close to the flight path on the left side.

 

This approach is way more challenging than, e.g, the CTL LOWI 08, because when you finally complete the turn you have very little time to correct for altitude or runway alignment issues. But, that's what makes it fun. :)

[MrPlaneDriver 41]

As far as getting the approach programmed so that the FMC recognizes it, we will probably have to ask Ryan or one of the other guys who is familiar with writing the syntax in the note pad.

 

It's not as hard as it seems. I've created waypoints and procedures for an airport here in Brazil that is not in Navigraph's database: SBGP Gavião Peixoto, which belongs to Embraer. I can try to program the waypoints and procedures for these approaches for you. I can start tomorrow and should be ready in a day or so.

 

On another note, how well the fixes in this approach work for you will probably be dependent on which scenery addons you have. In my case the approach as published brings me a bit too close for comfort to those high hills south of the runway and west of Sugar Loaf. I've also got a skyscraper extremely close to the flight path on the left side.

 

In default FSX scenery, the buildings west of the airport are way too high. Some reach above 1000ft. Regarding terrain, I think they are in the right places and altitudes, but I haven't checked that.

[cmpbellsjc 2,960]

Not sure these are absolutely needed, but I also entered the fixes into the "wpnavfix.txt" file as follows. This took some time as the fixes are sorted in order of their LAT value. Took about 5 minutes to copy and paste them into their correct order in the sort.

 

RJ088 RJ088-22.887722 -43.279194

RJ089 RJ089-22.900888 -43.223444

RJ091 RJ091-22.913250 -43.202888

RJ092 RJ092-22.932111 -43.194861

RJ093 RJ093-22.929888 -43.161583

RJ094 RJ094-22.891472 -43.164083

RJ096 RJ096-22.850638 -43.089083

RJ099 RJ099-22.888750 -43.115333

 

 

I am going to place these as well, but is it necessary to put them in order or can I just put them at the bottom of the list? And if they need to go in order did you just insert them between the -22.xxx coordinates, meaning which ever would make those go in sequential order?

 

Thanks

 

Sean Campbell

[coa1117 53]

I am going to place these as well, but is it necessary to put them in order or can I just put them at the bottom of the list? And if they need to go in order did you just insert them between the -22.xxx coordinates, meaning which ever would make those go in sequential order?

 

Sean,

 

I looked at the "wpnavfix.txt" file and saw that the fixes are ordered by LAT value out to 6 decimal places. Not knowing if it is required or not, but figuring it was best to do so, I placed each fix individually in proper order according to its LAT value. There are only 8 fixes, so it's a quick job.

 

Example:

 

RJ089 RJ089-22.900888 -43.223444

DINA DINA -22.900584 -43.208583

PINO PINO -22.898167 -46.031500

CWAWC CWAWC-22.897875 118.572042

ESRAV ESRAV-22.896389 32.935834

MUBSI MUBSI-22.895167 -44.248167

UVMER UVMER-22.895084 -47.291222

UVKIK UVKIK-22.892778 15.169722

TEMEV TEMEV-22.892500 -46.034000

RJ094 RJ094-22.891472 -43.164083

LIRA LIRA -22.889000 -43.287500

RJ099 RJ099-22.888750 -43.115333

MALE MALE -22.888472 -43.415806

RJ088 RJ088-22.887722 -43.279194

 

Someone else may know whether or not this is necessary.

[cmpbellsjc 2,960]

Sean,

 

I looked at the "wpnavfix.txt" file and saw that the fixes are ordered by LAT value out to 6 decimal places. Not knowing if it is required or not, but figuring it was best to do so, I placed each fix individually in proper order according to its LAT value. There are only 8 fixes, so it's a quick job.

 

 

Someone else may know whether or not this is necessary.

 

Thanks Jev, I guess I will do those the same as well just to be safe.

[coa1117 53]

I looked at the syntax for a number of approaches and was able to cobble this together. It works pretty well, at very least to the extent that you won't have to manually enter the approach fixes and altitude targets for RNAV(RNP) 02R into the FMC. Once in the FMC you may have to edit speed targets for some fixes so you can get your a/c properly configured for the last bit of the approach.

 

After RJ092 you have to start a manual turn to RJ093 as shown in the chart because I doubt the NGX's LNAV can handle this tight turn precisely enough to have you aligned properly for short final over RJ093.

 

Copy the code below and paste it immediately above the line "ENDAPPROACHES" in

 

C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\PMDG\SIDSTARS\SBRJ.txt

 

This assumes, of course, that you've already added the fixes for the approach into the same file. These can be found by looking up in this thread.

 

Give it a try, and if anyone can improve it, have a go and share your results.

 

APPROACH RNAV02R FIX AFSNB 4800 FIX RJ088 3200 FIX RJ089 2130 FIX OVERFLY RJ091 1680 FIX OVERFLY RJ092 1270 TURN LEFT DIRECT FIX OVERFLY RJ093 490 RNW 02R FIX RJ094 FIX RJ096 FIX MIA 3000 SPEED 210 HOLD AT FIX MIA RIGHT TURN INBOUNDCOURSE 325 ALT 3000 LEGTIME 1
TRANSITION SCR FIX SCR FIX PASO 8000
TRANSITION LIME FIX LIME FIX TERE 6000

[maranduba 0]

And if you really want a hand flying challenge, try the right base to final approach/landing to runway 02R.

 

 

Sean Campbell

 

Hello Sean, only able to land savely with a mono motor, have tried with 737, landed in the water!!

 

Regards, Johannes

[cmpbellsjc 2,960]

After RJ092 you have to start a manual turn to RJ093 as shown in the chart because I doubt the NGX's LNAV can handle this tight turn precisely enough to have you aligned properly for short final over RJ093.

 

Your instructions have worked well, I haven't entered the latest text yet for the saved approach, but entering the way points and altitudes worked.

 

You are right however, prior to passing RL092 you need to hand fly it otherwise the final approach is way to short and the NGX cant really fly it correctly. Really its nice just to have the correct way points as a point of reference and just hand fly the whole approach by hand as I am sure the real world crews do anyway. Its one of those approaches that you really need to keep your eyes out the window and keep a pretty good visual contact with the runway otherwise its easy to get lined up way to far to the right of the runway when you make the base to final turn.

 

Sean Campbell

 

Hello Sean, only able to land savely with a mono motor, have tried with 737, landed in the water!!

 

Regards, Johannes

 

Practice, practice, practice. :-)

 

Just load up the NGX with about 15% fuel and fly the approach over and over and it will become easier. Also, its much easier to do in the VC than trying using the 2D panels since you need to look around a lot. Plus if you have EZdok or TrackIR and can pan around to look out the window it will make it go a lot better when you can view where you are trying to go.

[Muley 3]

I tried this approach just the other day. I set myself up to go into 20L like an idiot i didn't check the runway length and with the weight i was carrying had no chance of making it. Should have gone around but i was lazy and ended up in the drink. Nice place to fly though :)

[El padrino 2]

Don't forget that you need the short field package from the FMC options!