FSX-MS How can I fly sids and stars using the default fsx flight planner and the default boeing 737 using the built in FSX Atc?

[ap1 16]

So what I would like to know is how to use the bulit in flight planner, GPS and the boeing 737 and fly sids and stars using the default Atc in FSX. I know that FSX doesn't support sids and stars but is there any best way to do this just with default flight planner and GPS. I DO NOT want to buy any addons for FSX, but is there any way to use the default flight planner and have a flight plan with fsx atc and fly sids and stars? Thank you so much!

[DominicanFly 0]

I have absolutely no Idea. :lol:

[Taipan 30]

If you can read charts, and your plane can track VOR radials then you can fly the less difficult SIDS and STARS.

 

That is if the waypoints and VORS in the charts still match FSX

 

I don't have the default 737 anymore though I can't help you on its specifics.

 

If you follow this YouTube series it will show you how to fly the procs based on charts.

 

Just make sure you're good with VOR navigation if you don't have an FMC

 

[ap1 16]

But also, can't you fly the route with the gps? One more thing, how do you do fly the sids and stars with fsx atc? Thanks!

[rototom 198]

FSX ATC won't let you fly STARS, you'll always get vectors.

[BIGSKY 316]

Don't contact departure after takeoff.

[btwilks 7]

_{There's a relatively easy way to be able to fly most STARs and SIDs using just the default FSX GPS and any of the default planes. It's the method I used before I moved on to payware planes with built-in FMCs, and it served me well for quite a long time.}

 

_{First, you need to update the FSX database of waypoints etc using this site}

 

_{http://www.btinterne...itch/index.html}

 

_{Once you've done that, you need to get the charts of the STAR and SID that you want to fly. There are many sites that have free charts - this one is excellent for USA charts (I'll leave you to get cosy with Google for charts from other countries)}

 

_{http://www.airnav.com/airports/}

 

_{To compile your flight plan, don't use the default FSX planner but, instead, use this site}

 

_{http://www.simroutes.../ShowPlans.aspx}

 

_{You want to use the 'Generate Routes' function - near the top of the page, in blue. It's fairly obvious how to enter the route you want to fly, including SIDs & STARs and all points in-between. Personally, I didn't bother with the SIDs & STARs drop-down menus as not all current SIDs & STARS were included - instead I inputted each individual waypoint in the large 'Route' box (of course, you might opt to use the drop-down menus if that suits).}

 

_{Once I had finished inputting the whole route I clicked on the 'Generate Route' box and Hey Presto, there was my flight plan and even a nice map to help me on my way. I then simply selected the correct airplane, selected FSX format instead of FS9 and then clicked on 'Download Flightplan'. This flightplan can be saved anywhere - on your Desktop, in your My Documents folder or wherever.}

 

_{The last step is to load up FSX, then open up Flight Planner. Select the option 'Load' - near the bottom of the screen - and then find the flightplan that you just downloaded from SimRoutes (you did make a note of where you saved it, right?), select the flightplan then click on 'Open'. You'll then see the flightplan with all the SID & STAR waypoints in all its glory. You can edit it if you wish - the most I ever needed to do was to make sure the cruising altitude was what I wanted.}

 

_{The last thing you then need to do is to 'OK' the flight plan and after you've selected your weather, fuel etc you'll be good to go.}

_{The GPS will have your complete flightplan (including SID & STAR) and once in the air you can hand-fly the route using the GPS for guidance or you can select autopilot/GPS/NAV and George will fly the route for you - well almost ... you'll have to sort out climbs, descents and speeds yourself as the default planes don't have full automation.}

 

_{Anyway, give it a go and have fun.}

 

_Brian

 

_{P.S. Apologies for the minute font but for some reason the 'Edit' function simply will not let me increase the font size.}

[Speedbird 11 2]

I use SDs and STARs with the FS ATC all the time, mostly successfully.

 

Using the airport charts from another source in conjunction with the default planner, I build the SD (or the 'common to all runways' waypoints of the SD, depending on circumstances) into the route. ATC's departure instructions are then much as expected, and there is no problem with ATC if I fly the actual SD itself.

 

The STARs available can be gleaned from the GPS by looking at the 'Approaches' available for the destination airport. The planner can then be used to end the en route part of the flight at the start of that STAR (or a few waypoints into that STAR). On arrival, the ATC menu will offer me the choice of vectors or approaches, and I can then request the approach (often incorporating a named STAR) that I want. I can then usually fly the STAR/approach before getting landing clearance.

 

It works well enough for me usually, and I hope it helps you as well if you give it a try.

 

Michael

[ap1 16]

_{First, you need to update the FSX database of waypoints etc using this site}

 

_{http://www.btinterne...itch/index.html}

 

Is threre any tutoiral that tells you how to install this for FSX. I'm not super good with computers! Now both of you two, thanks for the comment.

 

Brain, your post was great, but on the star won't atc start vectoring you like a 100 miles out. Or will it follow you star plan? ( If I chose to follow your way of creating a flight plan)

 

For creating the actual flight plan in simroutes, couldn't you just use flightaware.com to get your route then just copy and past it into the simroutes genrate route box? I think that would work! ^_^

[RWFeldman 159]

Is threre any tutoiral that tells you how to install this for FSX

 

I thought there was instructions with the download. You are going to need to known some basic windows/FSX file structure organization. Now is a good time to learn as no one is going to or can do it for you. Part of the Hobby.

[Rob Jones 0]

If you can get the charts, and know how to read them, you can use the free Plan-G flight planner. Load your FSX flight plan, input the SID/STAR waypoints, and follow the line on the map display. Altitude constraints you have to sort out yourself from the charts. (Note that a new version of Plan-G is imminent.)

http://www.tasoftware.co.uk/

 

Rob.

[Sekstifire 10]

Its actually impossible to fly SIDs and STARs the proper way with the default ATC. The default ATC will simply never assign an arrival / departure procedure to a pilot, everything have to be preprogrammed.

 

There's a free ATC addon that will assign you SIDs and STARs on the fly tho, just like they do in real life. Its called VATSIM and IVAO. Very highly recommended. By far the best addon for FSX in my opinion

[btwilks 7]

Hello again Ap1

 

I'm glad my post was readable (despite the small font) and of use to you.

 

Graham's update to the FSX waypoint database has reasonable detailed instructions in the 'AIRAC' and 'FAQ's' sections - the links are in yellow on the left of his page. The steps are fairly basic - but if you feel uncomfortable with any of the procedures then maybe you should hold off a while until you feel sufficiently proficient in using Windows file structures etc to add stuff to FSX.

 

As regards FSX's own ATC, you'll soon discover that although it's in actual fact very good for a free ATC control system, it is not sufficiently aligned to real world procedures to be satisfactory when flying SIDs, STARs etc. My own solution is mostly not to use it and simply to follow the flight plan I've created - maybe a little (but not exactly) like you'd do if your radio packed up on you in a real flight. Or, if I do use it, I simply acknowledge the instructions it gives me but then carry on on my own merry way - with it telling me every 20 seconds or so to expedite my turn, descent or whatever [this process of acknowledge but then ignore will be familiar to any married men on here ;-) ].

 

As regards the insertion of the waypoints into SimRoutes - as you've dicovered, there are many ways to skin a cat - including copying and pasting from FlightAware. However, you'll ocassionally need to work around some problems if you do this - such as the fact that FlightAware will just list the name of the SID/STAR but not the waypoints contained in the procedure. These you will still need to insert 'by hand' unless the particular (and up-to-date) SID/STAR is shown on SimRoutes' dropdown menus.

 

As others have pointed out, there are of course (many) other ways to achieve what you're trying to do. Plan G is certainly a good program but, for me at least, it had a steep learning curve and as I hadn't completed that curve, I personally found the SimRoutes procedure a simpler method to get SIDs and STARs into my flightplan until I eventually moved on to payware planes with built-in FMCs. Your mileage with Plan G might vary, of course.

 

Anyway, it sounds as if you've got quite a few alternatives here to enable you to fly real world routes on FSX. Fire her up and get into those blue skies!

 

Regards

 

Brian

[ap1 16]

I've acutally heard of radar contact v4.3. Would that work? Is there going to be a verzion 5 soon or is 4 the last one? But with verizon 4.3 would that assign sids and stars and correctly use them just like in the real world? I want to try to keep my flying as real possible as it can get with the default 737-800. Thanks everybody!

 

I've acutally heard of radar contact v4.3. Would that work? Is there going to be a verzion 5 soon or is 4 the last one? But with verizon 4.3 would that assign sids and stars and correctly use them just like in the real world? I want to try to keep my flying as real possible as it can get with the default 737-800. Thanks everybody!

[vololiberista 205]

I've acutally heard of radar contact v4.3. Would that work? Is there going to be a verzion 5 soon or is 4 the last one? But with verizon 4.3 would that assign sids and stars and correctly use them just like in the real world? I want to try to keep my flying as real possible as it can get with the default 737-800. Thanks everybody!

 

I've acutally heard of radar contact v4.3. Would that work? Is there going to be a verzion 5 soon or is 4 the last one? But with verizon 4.3 would that assign sids and stars and correctly use them just like in the real world? I want to try to keep my flying as real possible as it can get with the default 737-800. Thanks everybody!

 

You should also have a look at PFE. The latest version 2.14 has many features that RC4 doesn't have. Many users find it more immersive than RC4 although it does have a steep learning curve.