It should be obvious, be you seem to be missing the point. Any crash, stall, airspeed failure, etc, is a condition that is outside any 'flight envelope'.

 

Ray

 

CFIT?

If the wing falls off a plane the plane will crash, even tho it had nothing to do with flight envelope protection

 

This is very true, but also very different than iced over pilot tubes or failure to recognize a stall condition with the wings attached.

 

Ray

This is very true, but also very different than iced over pilot tubes or failure to recognize a stall condition with the wings attached.

 

Ray

Yes, but so what? As long as everything works normally flight envelope protection is there to protect pilot error from crashing the plane in certain situations. Then if something fails and flight envelope protection can't work anymore plane isn't any worse to fly than any plane with no flight envelope protection in same situation. As long as pilots do not rely on it there is no problem.

Eleven pm my time .... 12 pm lunchtime, your time (morning). I'm tired and you are obviously also tired. Check your spelling and correct it, if you want to have an intelligent conversation. And to give you a hint ... change "there" to "their" and "passed" to "past".

 

"Silly me" ..... yes I think so.

 

Play nice, or my one good nerve will revert to its "intelligent not" state and "snap" with all kinds of caffeine induced reactions.

Yes, but so what? As long as everything works normally flight envelope protection is there to protect pilot error from crashing the plane in certain situations. Then if something fails and flight envelope protection can't work anymore plane isn't any worse to fly than any plane with no flight envelope protection in same situation. As long as pilots do not rely on it there is no problem.

 

OK

 

Ray

Maybe, but not if like many others have stated above, the crew expects everything to be working normally all the time. Then will have the two accidents that I have been talking about.

 

Ray

Yeah. Properly trained crew should not think that way.

All right the flight envelope would have saved the aircraft, except if the peto tubes are filled with ice from stormy weather then the plane will not know how fast its going and therefore the pilots assumed they were going faster than they were so they STALL. The FBW is not the cause of the accidents. The bad peto tubes on the outside of the aircraft + Stormy weather was the problem.

Pitot :P

The bad peto tubes on the outside of the aircraft + Stormy weather was the problem.

 

Those are inevitable...or assumed those will happen. There would be stormy weather, Pitots could faile etc etc... So It had to be more than that.,.. there is usually a chain of multiple failures that would cause such catastrophic failure. In this case, we do not have all the facts... I think.

 

Manny

Those are inevitable...or assumed those will happen. There would be stormy weather, Pitots could faile etc etc... So It had to be more than that.,.. there is usually a chain of multiple failures that would cause such catastrophic failure. In this case, we do not have all the facts... I think.

 

Manny

Well pitot tubes are not supposed to fail even in this kind of bad conditions if they are correctly designed, and ones on AF447 plane were not, so it's not really expected situation. Remember that after all even twin engine jets with one engine failure have crashed because of crew mishandling the situation.

 

Sure there are things to improve in both training and cockpit systems too though, but I don't think there were any other mechanical failures than pitot tube one.

Wow, I just read a bunch of lectures from all different sources. :P

I really cannot argue as I don't know who will be the best nor what caused Air France to go down. But, one thing I can tell you...I have learned to relax and fly. Fly high and fast...low and slow...clean and dirty.

 

Hey, speaking about dirty, I think some of you guys argue too much and it sounds dirty. hehe

Why not wait until they've all been released and then decide?

Why not wait until they've all been released and then decide?

 

Best advice I heard yet!!!

anyways lol. I hope they have more realistic sounds on the FSL than the rest of these airbuses.

- Loud deap air sound when the spoilers go up durring initial descent.

- Drag sound of the gear is also very intense

- After landing the airbus gets VERY loud and you can hear the cabin shaking and its just very loud.

- Also It would be nice to hear the crackling of the cabin during rotation while taking off.

Aerosoft said they are not doing TRK/FPA in the Aerosoft Extended...MAYBE in a Service Pack, so I think Im going to wait for the FSLabs one.