I appreciate the honest statements either way. I guess it just shows that we are all playing the same game, not being able to change the rules.

 

From an external view point, I certainly understand where you're coming from, but no one likes a pay cut if they can help it.

Remember that thread on the environmental concerns? Explains why airlines don't like the idea at all and lobby for at least the status quo.

 

'When you want to drain the marsh, you don't consult the frogs.'

 

But more on Matthew's thread topic. I wouldn't want a general ban to be in place. Well, that's from the idealistic viewpoint that I like people acting out of awareness some more as the ones just acting because there is a law in place.

 

For instance, I don't question the glass of wine being served for our gourmet friends. I do question the beer being served for the 'quantity rules! ones though. ^_^

 

Well, due to the idealistic nature, this is often just a brain fart and wishful thinking. Even more so when you folks describe that you can't board a plane being drunk and that you are also not allowed to sell alcohol to already drunk folks.

 

Leaves the question. How do those drunk people incidents then take place?

Oh you went there... :wink: :ireland-flag:

Regards,

Ró.

 

I am descendent from you lot....LOL

 

My mothers maiden name is Murphy....My last name being Kane was changed from O'Cahan because my Great Grandfather that arrived off the boat wanted to get a job, thought Kane was better then O'Cahan.

 

:ireland-flag:

 

Cheers

I am descendent from you lot....LOL

 

My mothers maiden name is Murphy....My last name being Kane was changed from O'Cahan because my Great Grandfather that arrived off the boat wanted to get a job, thought Kane was better then O'Cahan.

 

Cheers

I had guessed that, Kane is quite a common surname here. And if didn't know, It's a derivative of my surname even. It happened when the British took over us and carried out a census, as most people back then couldn't spell, read or write, they told the census taker their name, but different census takers in different area's all heard it differently, and as such wrote it down differently. Kyne, Coyne, Kane all come from the Irish O'Cadhain. I happen to be of the Kyne branch though...

 

Regards,

Ró.

I had guessed that, Kane is quite a common surname here. And if didn't know, It's a derivative of my surname even. It happened when the British took over us and carried out a census, as most people back then couldn't spell, read or write, they told the census taker their name, but different census takers in different area's all heard it differently, and as such wrote it down differently. Kyne, Coyne, Kane all come from the Irish O'Cadhain. I happen to be of the Kyne branch though...

 

Regards,

Ró.

 

Reputation being is it was a tough bunch to deal with and that is what I've heard. Legend speaks for itself BTW

 

If only the Irish were like the Jewish...then Ireland would be rich like Israel.....Imagine that

If only the Irish were like the Jewish...then Ireland would be rich like Israel.....Imagine that

I'll take moderately wealthy and safe, over rich and constantly on the edge of a conflict any day thanks. Irish neutrality is one of the nice things about us... Israel ain't too popular over here, but that's getting a bit political.

 

Regards,

Ró.

I'm a drinker but I usually don't drink on an airplane. Maybe I'll have a couple if I have time to kill at the airport. The main reason I don't drink in the air is because I don't like drinking when my access to a bathroom is restricted.

 

I don't think they should ban it and the usual checks against overserving people should be enough. On a long haul flight I probably would drink and would probably not fly a dry airline.

 

And you guys are talking about alcohol sales - what about comped booze in business or first. You would have to make the entire flight dry and doing so could affect business and first sales. Alcohol sales may not be that profitable but business class seats are.

 

If only the Irish were like the Jewish...then Ireland would be rich like Israel.....Imagine that

 

And what are the Jewish like?

What about banning alcohol in economy classes only? :Hypnotized:

 

On the checks, keep in mind that the folks running the checks on board that plane are the same ones getting a bit more pay from selling the stuff.

Since airline passengers are a captive audience who can't pop out to the local supermarket when they want a drink, I think we can rest assured the airlines and the airports are fully recovering the costs of drinks they charge for - and then some. You only have to compare the cost of a drink in an air-side bar with the equivalent in the bar in the next door town to know that. Any thought they don't cover their costs and generous profit margin is I'm afraid nonsense. Why would they do otherwise once the aircraft door or the security gate closes behind you?

 

What they do with free drinks [if there still are any] is a different question. All the costs are in there somewhere but the overall profit margin is subject to competition on ticket prices. It's often said that the way to make a small fortune out of an airline is to start with a big fortune but it's also well known that premium first and business class tickets are where the money is made. That's where meals & drinks come free, not back in cattle class, so they're making extra margin in there somewhere.

 

Nobody's in favour of drunks being a nuisance or a danger but as has been stated, there are already enough rules to deal with such situations. Whether they are applied properly is something else. I'm not in favour of any situation whereby the majority of reasonable law-abiding citizens are punished for the faults of a minority. There's far too much of that nanny-state-ism around already and we don't need any more.

 

In the UK, we already have proposals to artificially increase the cost of alcohol across the board because we have drunken youths running around the nightclubs on a Friday & Saturday night. Why I should pay for that in a beer at a family B-B-Q or a bottle of wine with Sunday lunch, I have no idea and I'd prefer the police sorted out the youths in question together with the bars that sold them the excess booze directly, thanks very much. Equally, if i want a quiet drink on a plane, I don't see why I should be penalised for the actions of a few louts.

And what are the Jewish like?

 

They give back like this sort of thing:

http://www.jewishtoronto.com/

They live abroad and give back.

 

Irish live abroad and not quite the same.

They give back like this sort of thing:

http://www.jewishtoronto.com/

They live abroad and give back.

 

Irish live abroad and not quite the same.

 

Ah, yes. Thank you for clarifying.

Irish live abroad and not quite the same.

I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you there, the current generation of emigrants are sending money back home to their families in this recession. Remember though, not everything in life is to do with money. We live in a country where the is a relatively very low rate of crime, tight nit communities, a country where everyone knows everyone, through some connection or another. We have some troubles at the minute, but of all the countries in a bailout program, we're the ones doing the best and we're powering our way out of it... We don't have enemies, we don't have a high law enforcement presence. I think Ireland is a fairly great country, even if we're not quite rolling in money at the moment....

 

Regards,

Ró

I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you there, the current generation of emigrants are sending money back home to their families in this recession. Remember though, not everything in life is to do with money. We live in a country where the is a relatively very low rate of crime, tight nit communities, a country where everyone knows everyone, through some connection or another. We have some troubles at the minute, but of all the countries in a bailout program, we're the ones doing the best and we're powering our way out of it... We don't have enemies, we don't have a high law enforcement presence. I think Ireland is a fairly great country, even if we're not quite rolling in money at the moment....

 

Regards,

Ró

 

No worries mate....In North America the UJA is on billboards all over many cities....Just Google UJA is all.

Remember though, not everything in life is to do with money.

Well, it may come in snappish, but just a few posts back, you showed that quite some stuff actually has, even while having concerns of some kind.

 

And closing your reasonable statement about the wonderful green country with

I think Ireland is a fairly great country, even if we're not quite rolling in money at the moment....

also leads me to the impression that you may deny the financial influence on big things, but already use them as a factor to 'apologize' for. Don't worry, the guy who looks at countries by their economical values only is the one being wrong.

 

If you automatically use his language (fictional guy that is, not one in this thread), you don't do yourself or your people justice, Rónán. (Means I would have ended the sentence before the italic part)

I will always love Ireland....I would like to see a peaceful One Island One Nation someday. Let's just leave that one to a different thread is all.

 

Cheers

Well, it may come in snappish, but just a few posts back, you showed that quite some stuff actually has, even while having concerns of some kind.

 

And closing your reasonable statement about the wonderful green country with

 

also leads me to the impression that you may deny the financial influence on big things, but already use them as a factor to 'apologize' for. Don't worry, the guy who looks at countries by their economical values only is the one being wrong.

 

If you automatically use his language (fictional guy that is, not one in this thread), you don't do yourself or your people justice, Rónán.

Okay, I see the hypocrisy in my statement. I'll rephrase to clarify. In the case of, less money safe country Vs. More money, less stable country, I'd take the safety. In the case of less money and no drunken outbursts twice a year vs a substantial amount of money and the occasional situation on boarding, then I'd take the money. There is a difference in scenario, a country shouldn't be entirely judged on its wealth. A commercial descision should be.

 

An Airline is a commercial business, it's purpose it to generate money, a country's purpose is not to generate money, but instead to provide a safe home for all its citizens. Hence my opinions differ depending on whether or not we're looking at a commercial entity or a country.

 

Regards,

Ró.