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Thrustmaster Hotas Warthog: to buy or not buy, info wanted pls

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I trust your advice Howard thank you for your help.

Also what is your final mappings for the warty? cause in your video review you had quite a few of them un-assigned left out you said.

Do you have the mappings on paper so we can see the general layout, can save us new users the trivia of mapping this great unit.

Regards

TOX

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I trust your advice Howard thank you for your help.

Also what is your final mappings for the warty? cause in your video review you had quite a few of them un-assigned left out you said.

Do you have the mappings on paper so we can see the general layout, can save us new users the trivia of mapping this great unit.

Regards

TOX

 

I have all my assignments through LINDA and the actual throttle slders and stick configured via FSUIPC. I think you'll find doing it that way it is a lot easier than using the setup disc. I simply gave up trying to understand it after half an hour, LINDA is so much simpler. As for a general layout, it won't make a lot of difference seeing what I have, as you can assign any switch to anything you want. I'm building a new simpit over the next few weeks and also installing a Vrinsight MCP panel, so I will probably be having a change around for all my assignments. I'll post some pics when it's all up and running too...

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I have all my assignments through LINDA and the actual throttle slders and stick configured via FSUIPC. I think you'll find doing it that way it is a lot easier than using the setup disc. I simply gave up trying to understand it after half an hour, LINDA is so much simpler. As for a general layout, it won't make a lot of difference seeing what I have, as you can assign any switch to anything you want. I'm building a new simpit over the next few weeks and also installing a Vrinsight MCP panel, so I will probably be having a change around for all my assignments. I'll post some pics when it's all up and running too...

 

Like Howard, I have the buttons on the Warthog configured via LINDA, the throttles and flaps via FSUIPC. I use the very large grey slider on the far right edge of the throttle quadrant for flaps. I calibrated it with enough positions to give me flaps 0, 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 30, 40 if I remember correctly. In FSUIPC you can set up 8 positions for the flaps lever to match the number of actual detents on the flaps console lever. I have a label printer, and was actually able to print a calibrated paper-adhesive label to place at the right edge of the Warty Throttle Box - so I can know precisely how far to pull/push the grey lever bar to set the desired flaps. On the NGX this is golden!

 

The throttle calibration is a little bit twitchy - you have to untick a checkbox that would make the reversers come on at the bottom of the throttle axis.

 

In the Warty, the throttles have a stop-detent position at the bottom, you LIFT UP then pull further back, and you can assign THAT action within Linda to engage the reversers. Works great. You set a dead zone at both the top AND bottom of the throttles to make sure the engines spool down to IDLE when you have the throttles at bottom (but before you LIFT UP and pull further back for reversers). As you approach touchdown, during the flare, I typically pull the throttles back to IDLE and let the airplane settle to the runway - then once touching the ground, I push the nose down while engaging the reverse thrusters.

 

I concur with Howard's point that the WARTY software (F.A.S.T.) is painful and convoluted and nowhere near as customizable as the combination of LINDA and FSUIPC.

 

By the way, Congratulations to Howard on his new VRinsight MCP Combo II (I presume it may be Boeing?)

 

You'll really love it!

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Congratulations to Howard on his new VRinsight MCP Combo II (I presume it may be Boeing?)

You'll really love it!

 

Thanks Robert, yeah, can't wait to get it set up. We're in the throws of moving house at the moment, but as soon as we're in situ, I'll be setting up my new toy...

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Thanks Robert, yeah, can't wait to get it set up. We're in the throws of moving house at the moment, but as soon as we're in situ, I'll be setting up my new toy...

 

You'll love life once you get that MCP Combo II installed. I'm sure you already know:

  • VRInsight gear requires (supplied by VRi) their DC adapter, do not rely on PC USB port for power to drive the VRi devices
  • VRInsight gear has new drivers and newest version of VRiSim.exe available only by download- the drivers/software they ship with the product are outdated and hog CPU priority! The new drivers/software (November 20, 2012) do not have that problem- click here to obtain them from the VRi developer's website.
  • VRInsight hardware requires each piece be plugged directly into a USB 2.0 port on your PC, never a powered hub, never a USB 3.0 port. If you run short of USB 2.0 ports, you can purchase hardware cards to plug into your motherboard to add more ports. Again, as I said earlier, you MUST use the VRI power adapter that ships with the product. The USB bus on your PC does not provide enough juice.
  • I highly recommend using LINDA to run the MCP Combo II - as opposed to the VRInsight VRiSim.exe software. I use VRiSim to run the 737OVHD Panel and the CDU-II FMC. I use LINDA to drive the MCP Combo II.

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You can use VRi hardware with USB3 ports just fine, it's just that some of the first motherboards to support USB3 weren't actually using native USB3 hardware and they aren't 100% reliable. If you have problems using a USB3 port then change to a USB2 port i.e. one that doesn't have a blue socket.

 

The same goes for hubs, you can try them and if you do make sure it's a powered hub, but if you have problems then use a port on the motherboard instead.

 

By the way the MCP2 Boeing and Airbus panels won't work at all if you don't use the supplied power supplies, they don't draw power from the USB cables as far as I understand it.

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Thanks a bunch Robert and Andy, some good advice. No doubt I'll be tapping you both up for some more in the near future ... :rolleyes:

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Thanks a bunch Robert and Andy, some good advice. No doubt I'll be tapping you both up for some more in the near future ... :rolleyes:

 

You're welcome, Howard. Andy is really a wonderful resource for VRi- he moderates the VRi forums and knows more about their stuff than you could ever imagine! I love their products! They just updated their software as I mentioned, the key is to get their latest drivers and software which are on the link I mentioned in a prior post in this thread. Also you should join their support forum (free) so you will have access to their knowledge base, which is sorted by each product they offer. Cheers!

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I cant find the exact measures for the t.h.warthog anywhere on the web, can someone be a gent and give me the height measurements for the warthog control stick? so i can compare to my joystick and to see if it will be any comfy to use in height wise.

And if pos. can i have the thruster and control sticks general sizes as well in Height - Width - Depth, I want to see how much space it will take up on my desk.

 

Robert and Howard, i read every post you guys make on the warty and really enjoy the details you write. It helps us a lot.

 

thanks and

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You're welcome, Howard. Andy is really a wonderful resource for VRi- he moderates the VRi forums and knows more about their stuff than you could ever imagine! I love their products! They just updated their software as I mentioned, the key is to get their latest drivers and software which are on the link I mentioned in a prior post in this thread. Also you should join their support forum (free) so you will have access to their knowledge base, which is sorted by each product they offer. Cheers!

 

Cheers Robert, sure, I've had the pleasure of Andy's experience over at the forum before. It's nice to know there's someone you can call on when the going gets tough :biggrin:

 

I cant find the exact measures for the t.h.warthog anywhere on the web, can someone be a gent and give me the height measurements for the warthog control stick? so i can compare to my joystick and to see if it will be any comfy to use in height wise.

And if pos. can i have the thruster and control sticks general sizes as well in Height - Width - Depth, I want to see how much space it will take up on my desk.

 

Robert and Howard, i read every post you guys make on the warty and really enjoy the details you write. It helps us a lot.

 

thanks and

 

HOTAS Throttle:

8" Tall with throttles in the middle and with base

 

Throttle base

10.75" L (9.5625" if the base plate is removed.)

6" W

2.0625" H (only the base, excluding the switches and throttles.)

 

HOTAS Joystick:

11.125 Tall with base

 

The units are quite high, but I have mine actually embedded into my cockpit...

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HOTAS Throttle:

8" Tall with throttles in the middle and with base

 

Throttle base

10.75" L (9.5625" if the base plate is removed.)

6" W

2.0625" H (only the base, excluding the switches and throttles.)

 

HOTAS Joystick:

11.125 Tall with base

 

The units are quite high, but I have mine actually embedded into my cockpit...

 

 

Thanks for the fast reply Howard...

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Howard, I didnt know about this . It looks very interesting indeed

 

 

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I use helios for DCS but is there a similar type software for fsx?

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Howard, I didnt know about this . It looks very interesting indeed

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I use helios for DCS but is there a similar type software for fsx?

 

Sure Zoran, I have just received delivery of the very same, well it's the MCP Boeing type to be correct, ready for installation into a new cockpit/pit build that I'm working on.

 

I use helios for DCS but is there a similar type of software for fsx? if you are talking about a generic method of assigning buttons and switches, then sure, LINDA. But beyond that I'm unsure

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Sure Zoran, I have just received delivery of the very same, well it's the MCP Boeing type to be correct, ready for installation into a new cockpit/pit build that I'm working on.

 

I use helios for DCS but is there a similar type of software for fsx? if you are talking about a generic method of assigning buttons and switches, then sure, LINDA. But beyond that I'm unsure

 

I found what I needed here,amazed its free, will make a donation to them

 

http://www.thegaugesfactory.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13&Itemid=25

 

what exactly does LINDA do?

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what exactly does LINDA do?

 

LINDA, which is freeware/donation, is an application that allows the full assignment of functions to controllers and switch panels to all FSX default aircraft. In addition it also allows the same for selected third party addon aircraft, many of which can use the default assignments profile. Some that can't have their own specific profile that has been written by Guenter, the developer. Amongst others, these also include aircraft like the NGX and Realair Lancair. LINDA has also had a specific script written for running the Vrinsight MCP panel. I would suggest getting a copy of LINDA Zoran, as it is a very useful bit of kit and a lot easier than some of the software that is included with some controllers.

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Rockliffe,

 

 

I wanted to ask you. Do you still have the link for the Springs you got your your Warthog? I really could use a heavier feel in my Warthog, would be perfect, just a little bit more, the Big Spring is gone for good.

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Rockliffe,

 

 

I wanted to ask you. Do you still have the link for the Springs you got your your Warthog? I really could use a heavier feel in my Warthog, would be perfect, just a little bit more, the Big Spring is gone for good.

 

Hi Alexis, I'm pretty certain it was this set that I purchased on Ebay. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150pc-SPRING-ASSORTMENT-KIT-WIDE-SELECTION-OF-EXTENDED-COMPRESSED-SPRINGS-/200807136233?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2ec109bbe9 They were pretty cheap so I was prepared to take the risk that there might be no suitable springs in the box, but I did find just four that did the trick. Remember though, it is VERY important that the springs are the same thickness (or almost) when compressed as the originals, otherwise they will reduce the amount of vertical movement the main shaft can make, in turn affecting the amount of full movement for the elevator and ailerons. It's worth just spending a couple of minutes once you have removed the main spring, just to see how the Warty actually functions internally, discovering how it works and not just why it works :wink:

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Does anybody know where I can buy the Thrustmaster Hotas Warthog at a good price?

A link would be nice if poss... :rolleyes:

Thx.

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Does anybody know where I can buy the Thrustmaster Hotas Warthog at a good price?

A link would be nice if poss... :rolleyes:

Thx.

 

I got mine originally off Amazon.co.uk believe it or not for £265!!! http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B00371R8P4/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1354042704&sr=8-1&condition=new unsure how much to send to Cyprus though. Flightstore are a good company, with a good price too by the looks of things http://www.flightstore.co.uk/flight-simulation-c8/thrustmaster-hotas-warthog-flight-stick-p2438

 

Howard you seem pretty tech savy. Im thinking of buying this multi function M panel from Vrinsight 150 euros

what are your thoughts on it, mainly for smaller general aviation stuff. It looks impressive

 

http://www.vrinsight...eComp&sSubNo=10

Tech savvy? :lol: I wish... nah, just keen. Sure, I'm unfamiliar with that particular product, but as far as things go, all Vrinsight is well put together with all metal constructon, which is refreshing. I have the Vrinsight tact and toggle switch panel, which is great for assigning lots of different functions, with rocker and toggle switches and a set of neat push buttons which are useful for different AP assignments. I guess it's just about getting the bit of kit that best suits your needs at the end of the day...

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Thanks Howard!

 

There's a lot of Springs in that package!! 150 of them actually. That's not going to be easy to ship to Brazil at all. Plus my Warthog has a Stuck Screw that I don't know if I'll ever be able to open it again. Maybe I'll just leave it as it is, isn't so bad.

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Hi Guys,

This is a great joystick, but unfortunately I have lost time for use, to justify owning this beast. I thought it would be a good idea to post here about my having to sell my joystick, as this forum is the place I looked to when originally deciding to buying it.

I regret having to sell it, but unfortunately time is not on my side these days!

 

So, If there are any Aussies interested in purchasing a Used-Mint Condition Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog, please check my ad on Gumtree. http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/engadine/accessories/thrustmaster-hotas-warthog-joystick-and-throttle/1010203828

Joel

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Ok. I need to chime in here.

 

I read most of the posts and well, they're great. I am a fan of my X52. I am also looking for something better. I have looked close up at the Pig. Looks great again if your thing is fighter games. The thing that is the most disapointing for me with ALL of these great gee whiz sticks is that they are BACKWARDS. I happen to have an hour or two of RW flying under my belt and as we are all simmers we are almost all Captains right? Well what Captain flies from the right seat? In other words the throttles are shapped molded etc for left hand use which is how the right seater operates. Yet we are all seated in our left seats in our Virtual Airliners, those of us who fly strictly commercial aircraft that is. :) Sorry it is hard for me to get past that. As nice and shiney and well put together as the Warthog is, it is geared for flying just that, an A10 or other single pilot fighter.

 

So for me the expense will just get me a better X52. Now that I am becoming almost a PHD in FSUIPC I have gone back to using my keyboard for a lot of switchology I dont have room for on my X52. (If you use the combo key presses and releases you can call up two pop up screens for the price of one throw of a switch effectively allowing you to use many more switches in case you are new to FSUIPC paid version). So that being said, as long as I am going to be flying left seat backwards throttles LOL, I may as well save my money and hang on to my old X52 rather than buy the Warthog as NICE as it it looks and thanks ROCKLIFF for such an EXCELLENT video.

 

QUESTION Is or are there ANY good yokes out there with decent (JET) style power levers and quadrants. Every PC store or magazine I pick up has throttle quadrants and yokes that do not make it past a Piper Navajo? It is silly to me to be flying a 747 Heavy and have my left throttles be 1 and 2, my prop controls be 3 and 4 etc on and on. Ugh.

 

I am really not a fighter guy otherwise Id be all over the Warthog.

 

Left Seater looking for Left Seater yoke and levers. Thanks guys!

 

:)

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They're not backwards. They're exactly like the real world counterparts. Unfortunately what's good for a attack aircraft isn't good for an airbus etc.

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