NDB causing FS crash?

[Adrian West]

I hope that somebody will be able to help me with a problem I have discovered over the last week. I was flying in Norway from Kjeller ENKJ to Hamar ENHA. I took off and headed north towards Oslo Gardermoen ENGM. My planned route was to continue north towards MORSKOGEN NBD (MSK 347.0) on the southern tip of Lake Mjøsa, and then to turn north-west towards Hamar. As I was passing overhead MSK FS crashed completely. The picture froze, REX Weather Engine also stopped responding, and I had to shut everything down. A couple of days later I tried the same flight again, and FS crashed at exactly the same location.

 

Today I have tried the flight using a different aircraft, and FS froze up again at the same point. So I decided to try a different approach to the problem and this time flew in the opposite direction from Hamar to Kjeller - once again FS froze up overhead MSK. My final test was to try to fly overhead a different NDB, this time SOLBERG (SLB 414.0) to the south of Oslo Gardermoen. The plane managed this without blinking.

 

By process of elimination the problem is clearly caused by either the scenery or this specific NDB. I use Norway Airports, and also have Lago's Terramesh, Norway Scenic and Ultimate Terrain. The problem is that MSK lies very close to the ILS for ENGM, and while the NDB does not form part of the approach procedure, it is sufficiently close to potentially cause a problem when capturing the ILS.

 

Please could somebody with a similar setup try the same flight and see what happens. Could the NDB cause a system crash, or is it more likely to be a scenery glitch that just happens to be close to the NDB?

 

Thanks for your help.

[ja99]

Try searching Adventure Unlimited F S Fault finding_Files my numerous crashes were caused by bad textures i used Image Batch Files to fix the problem it takes time but well worth the effort.

ja99 FAPE. B)

[vector]

Hi Adrian

 

I just love flying in Norway in the winter and Norway Airports is a great package. At the moment I am flying across The Netherlands in my C172 enroute, eventually, to Hovden after numerous stops along the way!

 

I would willingly try the flight for you and see what I get but I am going to the local hospital today for some surgery and probably won't be up to anything much for a few days. I would be surprised if the NDB has anything to do with your problem and being very close to the ILS is irrelevant as both use different frequencies. Having said that, I don't use Lago's Terramesh any more but have the mesh from http://www.fotoscenery.com/engelsk.htm installed instead. You might like to try this and see what it does for you? Also, I have FScene textures installed instead of the default ones. I have never experienced any system crashes whilst flying in Norway and I have been doing this for a few years now.

 

BTW, I will shortly be buying FSGenesis' mesh for Norway.

 

David

[vector]

Hi Adrian

 

I've now flown ENKJ - MSK - ENHA and did not have any crashes. I am using Norway Airports, FScene and the mesh from the FSNordic website.

 

Have you tried re-installing the textures just in case there is a corrupted file on your system?

 

David

[Adrian West]

Hi David.

 

I use Ground Environment Pro for my textures. I have run GE Pro and loaded the textures again. Took off from ENGM this time to shorten the flight, and still the same problem. I have tried looking at the FS Fault Finding page that ja99 suggested (http://www.adventure-unlimited.org/faultfinding.php), but when FS crashed I didn't get the error window that is supposed to come up (maybe because I have Windows 7 instead of XP??) and so was unable to indentify what is causing the error.

 

You suggest re-installing the textures. Do you mean I should remove GE Pro and then reinstall it?

 

I fly around ENGM a great deal, and so it is really important that I fix this, especially since the approach routes into ENGM changed last year. When landing on 19L/R the approach comes from much further north than previously and runs over the southern tip of Lake Mjøsa - right where this problem is manifesting itself.

 

Thanks for your help.

[vector]

Hi Adrian

 

I'm not the best person in the world to help on this one but if I were having this problem then first of all I would remove GE Pro and re-install the default textures, then see if the problem still exists. If so, then I would know that it is something to do with a GE Pro texture or conflict and could then start the long process of trying to track down the offending file. Likewise, with REX. Perhaps someone else with more knowledge than me could chime in here and help, please?

 

I had a similar problem with Scotland once which I was never able to track down. However, when I eventually re-installed FS9 (not to try and resolve that issue, I hasten to add) then the problem never re-appeared. Go figure!!

 

I assume that you have previoulsy been able to do the flight without any difficulties?

 

To shorten the testing time have you thought of installing Pete Dowson's Autosave utility? I have this and have set it to automatically save my flight every 10 minutes. It does so in the background and you just don't notice it happening. It would certainly stop you having to do the complete flight every time.

 

David

[Adrian West]

I think I may have found the problem at the first attempt without having to resort to reinstalling GE Pro. I decided to try to rule out other potential causes by deactivating various items on my Scenery.cfg file one by one. My first test was to deactivate Norway Airports, so I was taking off from the default FS ENGM. Bingo! The aircraft crossed the NDB without blinking and continued beyond the usual location of the crash. Looks like something may be corrupted in Norway Airports. I have now downloaded the latest version of the scenery plus the latest AFCAD files (although these form a different scenery layer and were not deactivated in the test). I don't have time to install the new files today, so this will probably have to wait until Wed or Thurs. I will report back. Thanks for your help again.

[vector]

Hi Adrian

 

Good work! Do let me know in due course if this has solved things for you.

 

David

[Adrian West]

Success! :smile: I reinstalled Norway Airports, and then noticed that the scenery folder contains 5 AFCAD bgl files, one of which is for ENGM. So I disabled the ENGM AFCAD file in the separate scenery folder for Norway Airports AFCAD just in case there was a conflict between the two. I am now able to fly past the NDB and the nearby location of the previous hang with no problems. Very pleased and quite relieved!

 

Thanks again for your help. :good:

[vector]

I fly around ENGM a great deal, and so it is really important that I fix this, especially since the approach routes into ENGM changed last year. When landing on 19L/R the approach comes from much further north than previously and runs over the southern tip of Lake Mjøsa - right where this problem is manifesting itself.

 

Do you mean you fly around ENGM in real life or just FS9?

 

Are there any new charts for the revised approach to 19?

 

BTW, glad to see that you have solved the problem.

 

David

[Adrian West]

Alas no, I don't fly around ENGM in real life. I have lived in Oslo before and would love to move back there one day. So my flying is limited to the FS world, and I fly in and out of Oslo quite often.

 

You can get the latest charts from https://www.ippc.no/norway_aip/current/main_eng.html.

 

Incidentally, the airport has started expansion work towards the creation of a second terminal. The new terminal will effectively be a new north pier stretching out from the middle of the existing pier. I was at ENGM last month, and you can already see the tarmac that has been laid for new taxiways to the north of the current ramp. If you are interested have a look at http://www.osl.no/osl/micro/OSL2017en. The work will not be finished until 2017, but I hope that the Norway Airports team will continue developing the airport to reflect what is happening at the real airport.

 

Adrian

[vector]

Many thanks for the links, Adrian.

 

What a/c do you fly? I guess that because of the proximity of the airports there it is something that is not too heavy.

 

David