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For years i have used RC4 and its been excellent, but just searching through my sent email box for the number of times i have had to rerequest license key cause i move folders around on PC, or upgraded HDD to SSD etc, its shocking number of key requests sent.

 

For comparison As2012 was on the same HDD i moved to SSD and AS2102 auto updated its license did not ask me to email wait reply for another key in some time T in future.

 

Much granted this license procedures are there to protect against piracy, but this RC4 license solution is a step too far, too inconvinient considering the average FSX PC is getting upgraded in some shape or form every month.

 

My main objective here is seeking the opinion of others who might have tried RC4 and found Addon ATC that can be classed as equally good or better, please name the addon.

 

I heard of Vox ATC, but not sure hot it would work cause i prefer to interact with key press not voice control.

 

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OK, here are the opions i am considering so far, appreciate any usefull opnion

 

Pro Flight Emulator /FDC Live Cockpit FDC (heard these 2 work best together, not sure)

vox atc 6

Pro ATC

Multicrew Experience

 

I prefer a solution where i have co pilot to handle detail like in RC4, and option to use keyboard to interact if not using mic.

 

trying to get out of radar contact always being the part that fails the process of upgrade, test upgrade does not lead to CTD, wait for radar contact to send you new key today or tommorow , make a flight to enjoy your upgrade.

 

Prefer to get addon ATC that can be there when i need it after upgrading my PC.

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There is a new addon: pro-atc from pointsoftware.de. Unfortunately, the addon was rather in alpha then in beta stage when published. Meanwhile it is getting better, but I am not yet fully convinced. Have a look at their forums. But be aware, they don't publish postings that are too critical.

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Hi

 

For years i have used RC4 and its been excellent, but just searching through my sent email box for the number of times i have had to rerequest license key cause i move folders around on PC, or upgraded HDD to SSD etc, its shocking number of key requests sent.

 

 

You dont have the original key? If so did you try to reinstall it?

How can they tell you you can't upgrade your PC?

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You dont have the original key? If so did you try to reinstall it?

How can they tell you you can't upgrade your PC?

 

For RC4 there is no such thing as an original key, the key is generated according to some details of your machine, and i must say very very specific details.

 

So that every time you move folders around, upgeade haed disk , cange cpu and who knows what else, all other FSX addons are ready to go when you are, Except for RC4 you need to reuest via email for a new license that matches the new state of your upgraded PC. NO longer workable solution for me, i am currenlty in process of upgrading my system slowly.

 

There is a new addon: pro-atc from pointsoftware.de. Unfortunately, the addon was rather in alpha then in beta stage when published. Meanwhile it is getting better, but I am not yet fully convinced. Have a look at their forums.

 

Thanks for the tip, will google pro atc pros cons

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Ok Vox ATC 6 is looking very promising at the moment, like the fact its got FO so no need to micro manage.

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PFE is fine. The interface is better and it doesn't pester you. I have it on a totally different partition to FS9 and Windows. Therefore it doesn't appear in the registry. Likewise FS9!!!

All it needs to know is where you keep FS9.

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RC4 reinstalls are fairly easy, not not automatic. Once you launch it, it generates the info needed for the email verification. I've reinstalled numerous times.

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I have lost count of the number of times I have re-installed RC over the years on very many different computers. No problem at all, in fact the process was very quick...you send an email requesting the new licence code, it is sent back very quickly, you enter it as required and that is it. I am trying out VOXatc at present which suits me as I leave the FO to do the radio work while I fly the plane! It is a little simplistic but a good program all the same.

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RC4 reinstalls are fairly easy, not not automatic. Once you launch it, it generates the info needed for the email verification. I've reinstalled numerous times.

 

+1 I've reinstalled loads of times. Usually email replies are within a few hours. Never had to wait a day.

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Hi

 

Does VoxAtc require that you must use voice, can i use with just keyboard. Gnenrally will leave FO to do most of the work.

 

Just tried ProATc, looked at it for 20mins could not figure out how to load exising FS flight plan, so parked that right there.

 

So my next options are

 

PFE

VoxATC

 

Quite dissapointed ProATc does not seem to allow you to load exising fsx flight plan and just go with that. Next stop PFE.

 

By the way i now have my key from JD after 2 days and about 4 emails. but i have moved on from RC4 now, its always the bottle neck in the upgrade pc, test setup/oc , fly process.

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There is a new addon: pro-atc from pointsoftware.de. Unfortunately, the addon was rather in alpha then in beta stage when published. Meanwhile it is getting better, but I am not yet fully convinced. Have a look at their forums. But be aware, they don't publish postings that are too critical.

 

Critical posts are removed and if the poster is a repetitive offender he gets removed/banned too.Keep this in mind just in case you want to beta test the product.

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Just tried ProATc, looked at it for 20mins could not figure out how to load exising FS flight plan, so parked that right there.

Quite dissapointed ProATc does not seem to allow you to load exising fsx flight plan and just go with that.

 

These statements are provocative and further comments like this will not be allowed here. The fact you could not load a flight plan or figure out how to load a flight plan does not justify your comments as the manual and other information on the developers website clearly explains how this is done. Using this forum to show your dislike for a product after only using it for 20 minutes is clearly not justified. This topic is closed.

 

Jim Young

AVSIM Forum Moderator

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To everyone - I'm unlocking this topic as I thought it was getting out of control but apologized to the OP for telling him the information he is looking for in regards to ProATC is in the manual and on the developers website. The info about how to save and load a ProATC flightplan to fsx is not in the manual yet but it is discussed in the forum. So I was partially right. Discussions can continue but should stay on topic as started by the OP. I just request there be no product bashing be it RC4 or ProATC and discussions continue in a respectful and mature manner.

 

Best regards,

Jim

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I use both RC4 and PFE and like both. It seems RC4 is better at handling big iron and PFE is good at handling GA planes, but that is just my opinion.

I never had a problem reinstalling either one (besides PFE installation being complex compared to RC4 but again that's just me) multiple times. Email the RC4 generated code and a key will be returned within a day (give or take a day on weekends) but they don't restrict you that I have ever heard. Support for both products is superb I might add.

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I use both RC4 and PFE and like both. It seems RC4 is better at handling big iron and PFE is good at handling GA planes, but that is just my opinion.

I never had a problem reinstalling either one (besides PFE installation being complex compared to RC4 but again that's just me) multiple times. Email the RC4 generated code and a key will be returned within a day (give or take a day on weekends) but they don't restrict you that I have ever heard. Support for both products is superb I might add.

 

Thanks for the tip, purchased PFE and ProATC already, but just reading manuals at the moment.

 

As for RC4 license policy not being friendly to PC upgrade, think i have said enough about that already, and its my only motivation for changing ATC addon, otherwise its a descent product.

Dont really mind if PFE install is complex as long as it will not ask me to email request new license if i should change my heat sink.

 

And that license request better not be on a weekend, which is just about the only time i can fly. Sounds like a raw deal to me, if you paid for the license once already. Can understand big changes like mother board etc, but for goodness sake not hard disk change, and not an email request.

 

AS2012 was also moved, it automatically updated its license on next startup, other addons just dont bother you at all like Rex+ was also moved. But for RC4 you have to send for for new license and it better not be on weekend, then you not really licensed user of the product, really.

 

My current options are PFE and Pro ATC.

 

anybody used both of these to compare.

 

VoxATC, not sure if one must use voice command only, prefer to use keyboard control, does voxatc do keyboard.

 

cheers

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I use PFE. I think it's the better of the options available. It has a steep learning curve which can appear confusing at first pricipally because PFE uses PF2000 as it's engine. However everything is available. Including SID's, STAR's, Atlantic routes etc. Read the manuel carefully. Make sure your FP is a good one without wpts too close together. Also as with RC4 one can't have a wypt too close to the destination. If there is such a conflict fly the radar approach.

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But for RC4 you have to send for for new license and it better not be on weekend, then you not really licensed user of the product, really.

 

Hello

If you send your licence details in the correct format ie -12345633 ! firstname ! lastname the whole thing is automated, I have never had an issue getting RC registered, but I am aware that some folks find even the easiest things difficult to manage.

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I use PFE. I think it's the better of the options available. It has a steep learning curve which can appear confusing at first pricipally because PFE uses PF2000 as it's engine. However everything is available. Including SID's, STAR's, Atlantic routes etc. Read the manuel carefully. Make sure your FP is a good one without wpts too close together. Also as with RC4 one can't have a wypt too close to the destination. If there is such a conflict fly the radar approach.

 

Thanks for this, been hoping someone who has used both RC4 and PFE will come along and say just this.

 

My original plan was to end up with ATC addon to replace RC4 due to license flexibility issues.

 

Now i have ended up with situation where i would like to try/ have option to use various ATC addon listed below in order of prefrence so far.

 

PFE (Best option for me so far, but more complex )

VoxATC (latest version 6 got good revies and works with keyboard not just voice)

ProATC (olny cause i already purchased it by mistake)

 

 

updated my new RC4 license so it works ok now (thanks JD), but next time i upgrade and RC4 should complain about license, i will already be used to using various ATC addon.

 

 

Thanks for the help gents, the answer for me turns out to be multiple ATC addon is good to have, just like it is for weather engine and texture.

 

For now, will continue to use RC4, while i master the other ATC addons, should be fun to try out new ATC.

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http://vatsim.net. Crushes the opposition when it comes to ATC addons

 

Only if and when there are controllers at start, destination and alternate airports. Plus en route controllers!! All available on the route that I want to fly!

As for PFE v RC4: PFE doesan't have robotic voices. And both controller and other AI pilots have regional accents.

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Don't want to derail this thread, but the title isn't just misleading, it's plain wrong. Might it be edited to remove the inaccuracy? I have no vested interest in or connection with RC4, but it'd be a shame if the (currently) best ATC product out there lost custom because of this title. Don't mind the OP saying he doesn't like the licence rules, or finds them inconvenient, or whatever - but I think it's unfair to the author to leave it as is.

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Only if and when there are controllers at start, destination and alternate airports. Plus en route controllers!! All available on the route that I want to fly!

As for PFE v RC4: PFE doesan't have robotic voices. And both controller and other AI pilots have regional accents.

That is true. The coverage on vatsim will be incomplete at almost all times. Its a matter if you prefer quality or quantity I guess. Personally I value quality over quantity

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the title isn't just misleading, it's plain wrong. Might it be edited to remove the inaccuracy?

 

Edited as suggested. Thanks.

 

Best regards,

Jim Young

AVSIM Forum Moderator

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Also interested in comparisons between ProATC and PFE Deluxe.

My main questions for both of these would be:

 

- do they include an FO that handles radios?

- do they faithfully follow SID/STAR procedures?

- do they direct AI traffic?

- do they include realistic taxi instructions even for payware scenery? (FSDT KORD/KLAX or FlightBeam's KSFO/KPHX?)

 

Whichever one does all 4 above would be the winner for me.

 

P.S.

Also forgot, I know that ProATC now has AIRAC data support from Navigraph, but what about PFE?

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