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Windows 8 - Joystick Megathread problem.

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usa4321,

 

Thanks for the suggestion, however, I tried all that a quite a while back, (5 or 6 months ago), and I didn't help me.  Since using FSUIPC all my disconnect problems have been solved.

 

Oh, I have a WIN 8 system, and CH Yoke and Pedals.

 

Thanks anyways.

 

Rod

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I've tried that. It did solve the issue I had with my Saitek multipanel screen being dark, but it has not solved the randomly disappearing joystick problem. It persists in P3D as well.

 

Well I'm glad it did solve one thing, I still have no disconnects in either FSX or Prepar3d V2 with my TMWH.  I'm still testing though. I'm wondering if the disconnect issue is joystick dependent.

 

I guess so far from what I read here FSUIPC is the guaranteed fix so far.

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OK I got a disconnect but it took a while. I'm not sure if it was caused by REX loading up or not but regardless it happened. Looking into FSUIPC method of connecting.

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Windows 8.1, After you have tried all the rest of the "fixes" for the joystick dropout, try this:

 

     • Go into the Control Panel and then into Devices and Printers.

     • Find your Joystick and right click on it and select Troubleshoot.  If it says it found some issues that it may have stopped responding and has fixed it, you should now be happy once again without dropouts!

 

I was able to go back and forth from desktop, browser, full screen FSX to windowed FSX and menu selections for hours without a hiccup anymore.

 

Let me know how you do and you're welcome!

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I know you can press control k to disable joysticks. But is there a way to permanently disable. It always becomes checked on next load.

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At last I got round to actually using FSUIPC to sort this and it works a treat. well done, Pete!

 

Takes ten minutes to get your head round it and presto!

 

Sorted!

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I know you can press control k to disable joysticks. But is there a way to permanently disable. It always becomes checked on next load.

 

Then within FSX/P3d, just delete all the joystick axes and button assignments. Somewhat tedious, but it does the job. There are other options, but they can be somewhat messy.

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Can anyone confirm if there are still joystick dropouts in P3D v2.0?

Yes there are.

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It has nothing specifically to do with P3d2 and all to do with Win8. Win 8 has something about it that causes the joystick drop out in FSX, P3d 1.4, P3d2 and even XP10.

 

Unless LM can figure a way around it, the only workaround is to use FSUIPC.

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It has nothing specifically to do with P3d2 and all to do with Win8. Win 8 has something about it that causes the joystick drop out in FSX, P3d 1.4, P3d2 and even XP10.

 

Unless LM can figure a way around it, the only workaround is to use FSUIPC.

 

This is the whole problem IMO. MS have changed something fundamentally with Win 8, but LM now own the FSX/ESP code and have full ability to modify it, expand on it etc. MS will not do anything about it because they no longer support it so LM should make this one of their top priorities to get it fixed once and for all. Win 8 has now been out for over a year, LM would definitely be aware of this issue and should have included this in their dev process for P3D 2.0. Hopefully this will become part of their dev road-map which includes 64-bit.

 

As for XP10 I don't think I've ever once had controllers drop out whenever I've used it in Win 8 (maybe only once, but it was barely noticeable and didn't have to restart the sim).

 

I actually like Win 8.1 and think it has a lot of benefits over Win 7 but am sticking to Win 7 for now due to these issues. In future I think I'll be moving more and more towards X-Plane as I don't want to be stuck on an older OS, unless of course LM are able to get it fixed.

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As for XP10 I don't think I've ever once had controllers drop out whenever I've used it in Win 8 (maybe only once, but it was barely noticeable and didn't have to restart the sim).

 

 

I don't use XP10 much anymore, but I did experience dropouts under Win 8.0. They were much rarer than in FSX or P3d 1.4, which means they occurred for me maybe 10% of the time, as opposed to 100% of the time. If you search around enough with Google, you will find complaints about Windows 8 and other legacy software that uses a joystick. The prevailing "theory" about the joystick loss issue is that it occurs when the main sim window loses focus. XP10 has a far sleeker UI design than FSX and the "typical" XP10 user spends more time flying than tinkering than the "typical" FSX user.

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Problem seems to be solved for me immediately after installing FSXAssist ver. 1.1 

 

See http://skypilot.biz/home/

 

They have just made an update that addresses Joystick dropout. I have not tested over a period of time yet, but I was getting dropout 100% of the time whenever I swapped to Plan-G and back again.

 

As soon as I installed FSXAssist and ran it, problem dissappeared.

 

So I am happy if it stays solved and it only cost AU$15

 

There are a couple of caveats they mention but they don't effect my setup.

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I bought FSXAssist ver. 1.1 and it has not solved my problem in Windows 8.1, as well as to declare the FSUIPC joystick.
Hopefully a solution quickly ....

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Hi Eriktu - can you send your FSXAssist.log file to support@skypilot.biz so we can help you troubleshoot?  It sounds like your simconnect module is not loading properly.

 

Regards

Jim Allen

SkyPilot Support

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  I want to ask all who are having this issue. Are you running fsx in windowed mode? What graphics card are you using? If in windowed mode, do you have multi monitor setups? Are you placing FMC, REX..etc on the other monitors if so are you clicking on other windows outside of FSX while playing.

  I discovered that clicking on other windows in fsx in windowed mode my joystick goes out. control ALt Delete helps sometimes but not a great fix. I am trying to test in FSX while in full screen mode. I am running ati driver 13.4. Will try an older version and see if that works. For some reason in windows 8 my task bar is on all 3 screens, not like that in windows 7. I thinking this issue is a multi display mode while in FSX windowed mode. My guess. Any thoughts? Sure would like to solve this problem.

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I run FSX in window mode so I can access other programs much easier.  I have one monitor.  I have windows 8.  Since receiving my windows 8 system I used to get joystick disconnects all of the time.  Since I have configured my yoke, pedals, and joysticks with FSUIPC (payware) I have never had a joystick disconnect.

 

Are you using FSUIPC?  If not, I recommend you try it.  Of course you'd have to buy it.

 

Hope you get it figured out.

 

Safe Flyin'

Rod

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I do have it and yes it is paid version. Not quite sure how to do it. Can you help?

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Hi ,

 

windows 7 has an option, possibly set as default to power down the usb ports after a certain length of time if it detects no usage. If you go to the control panel and select device manager then check the properties of your usb hubs . There is a tick box to allow the computer to turn off the hubs to save power.If it is ticked this may be the cause of your problems.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Steve

thank you so much it works even under widows 8

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Well my joystick stays connected all the time but if I leave the sim (Like, entering google chrome or any other program outside of FSX will make the joystick disconnect.) Opening task-manager reloads the sim and reconnects the joystick but it may or may not cause the darn sim to crash doing so (Probably ENB related). I'm planning on buying a second monitor and i'm wondering, will activities on the 2nd monitor interfere with FSX? For an example, would FSX 'pause' or something if I am messing around with charts/ youtube etc. on the second monitor while FSX is running on the other?

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For the people who are'nt familiar with FSUIPC I have made a powerpoint presentation how to install CH flightsim yoke and pedals with FSUIPC4 in Windows 8 and using FSX. I had the problem of disconnecting randomly. Now that is over!

As it is the first publication, there maybe some questions, please ask!

It is on my site: www.hweistra.nl 

 

With kind regards,

 

Harmen.

KLM764.

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I was just over in the Prepar3d forums and the P3D head developer explained the issue affects many games in W8 that implemented joystick controls a certain way (which included FSX).

He continued that the problem can be fixed by re-coding joystick control in the game itself - which they are doing for the upcoming patch for Prepar3d V2.

 

Of course since FSX is dead it will never be fixed on that platform. But most people will upgrade from FSX to P3D over the next couple of years anyway.

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Next couple of years - exactly... I don't see myself buying another addon just to fix joystick issue nor I see possibility to skip to p3dv2 now.

Still hoping for solution. I don't have random drop outs - only happens when I alt+tab and than FSX can't see anything except mouse and keyboard but i can see my joystick in windows control panel. Opening task manager doesn't help - I have to reload game which is a pain because I fly NGX with fs2crew which means I have to start all over again. One can say do not alt tab and that what I was doing until today - when ASN decided to inform me with a window that I have problems with connection and it can't download weather. Supercool especially on final leg of 4 hours real time flight.

I guess Ill just spam Microsoft e mail until they solve it or get myself fsuipc but that's the step which I wanted to avoid as except of that one issue it is not useful software to me.

 

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After thorough testing I noticed some weird behaviour - joystick disconnects only when fsx is heavily loaded. 

 

Scenario 1: Multiple addons, PMDG 737 ngx, spawned on EPKK Drzewiecki design - alt+tab joystick disconnected. 

 

Scenario 2: Multiple addons, Default trike, spawned on some random small default airfield in USA - I can alt+tab out and back and joystick works. 

 

What is going on? Anyone has a clue? 

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Well some information probably goes through the simconnect, and when a lot of external addons are running the infamous simconnect can get too busy to behave properly.

 

It is funny by the way that the topic answer is; I don't understand why this topic is still running... just buy a 40 dollar expensive program and it will work. Great that it works for those people, but it is a ridicilous solution. I have a modern Pro Flight Yoke a modern OS, there is no reason why it shouldn't work. This is a w8 bug and the solution should come from them.

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