To the OP:

 

Aerosoft Airbus X Extended ........ wins hands down. Awesome and high quality product.

 

Buy the BBS if you want to hear the default GA fuel pump operating in an airbus :rolleyes: and a plane that is around 40% complete. :wink:

I am not going to laugh at you out of respect. Just think about this: Over 7000 hours logged and more than 4500 on Airbuses.

 

See you.

 

PS: Just for confirmation, the Airbus from Aerosoft is completely unreliable right now. Whoever doubts this, hasn't flown it enough. Just try to fly from Lisbon to Horta with a coordinate waypoint or fly out of Malaga using for example SVL2N SID. Those are 2 major problems and i can be here all night pointing them out to people like you who refuse to learn.

 

Sure, no laughing. I have also logged thousands of hours on the Airbus. But, then.... you're bringing a multi-million-dollar complex animal to the game and comparing every bolt and nut to a computer game? it's impossible! it would not cost $40.00 but several millions-- Considering the complexity of an Airbus.

The Aerosoft Airbus is very good IMHO. Other than the lack of managed decent (annoying yes, show stopper, no) I really have no problems with it. The FBW is great, MCDU/FCU systems work well (again, minus managed decent), and the VC/External model are fantastic. I have had no issues with the aircraft flying off course or random turns. I have ahd an issue where the final fix has a "loop" instead of a straight line, this can easily be fixed by selecting the waypoint-in-question as a DIR TO and I believe that the developers are working on fixing this in a coming hotfix. On decent all you need to do is use the 3 to 1 rule and you're fine. Also, you need to realize this is an Airbus, and all of the associated "Airbus-Gotchas" (many of which are present in this simulation, just going to show you how in-depth it actually is). These "gotchas" arises because it is not a Boeing. You need to use a slightly different methodology to fly the plane (stay ahead of the plane, or it will get ahead of you very quickly). All and all I like the Aerosoft 'bus and have completed a bunch of flights, and plan on flying many more. I can't speak to the BBS, but I do think that there is some unnecessary bashing of the Aerosoft bus going on here.

Interesting how the Extended fans appear suddenly, like it's coordinated by someone... :biggrin:

 

To be fair: both aircraft (BBS and XTND) are far from being "complete", the BBS is officially BETA and the Extended is a public paid unofficial beta.

 

Considering the complexity of an Airbus

Here we go again, LNAV route tracking and FMS-based descends are not something that only an Airbus is capable of, even the mighty VASFMC gives me EOD/TOC indications that are usable for online flying ("descend to be leveled") and flies SID/STARs in a reliable way, the extended doesn't in too many cases.

There are some annoyances with autopilot descent but nothing that stops you from flying anywhere and problems are being fixed fast.

 

So you mean that when my Airbus ignored the 3000ft restriction on my last flight and was pointing towards the ocean that it is an 'annoyance'? No, wait, it wasn't even a restriction, it was the altitude on the MCP!

 

It didn't stop me 'flying anywhere' because i grabbed the stick and saved the flight, or it WOULD HAVE ended there.

 

Manual flight is one of its strong points

 

True, it hand flies very very good.

 

SIDS and STARS are drawn fine and the plane folows them with no probs.

 

Um, no. About 70% (and i'm being gentle) of the SIDs and STARs are badly drawn, incomplete, and the A/C will almost never fly them, running away from the flightpath.

 

The issues raised of 360 degree turns were very early days and 2 sub releases ago.

One fine example of how it still happens, is the VOR transition to the ILS04 in Sharm el Sheik (HESH). Perfecly aligned with the LOC, press "APP" and presto, 360 turn to the left. Happens all the time, reported to Aerosoft, acknowledged and being fixed.

 

I think it is a pity that people rubbish good products.

 

Nobody is rubbishing anything, we're pointing out issues and hoping they get fixed because yes, i DO like it a lot and would love that it would become flyable.

Aerosoft :t0148: BBS

 

Captain Sim should release an Airbus :lol: :LMAO:

Yes it's flyable... once you've mastered not to do some action...

 

You have to remember a few things:

do not use managed desc 'cause doesn't work.... nor open desc because it sinks...Yeah I must use Vertical speed

There are missing information in the FMC... mhhh.. oh not implemented, I forgot it

Takeoff thrust.. Vr... yeah it's normal that it doesn't rotate immediately after VR...

AP after takeoff.... mhhh.. better not to do that... you may climb 6000 fpm

 

And many more :rolleyes:

EOD/TOC indications that are usable for online flying ("descend to be leveled")

 

The 3 to 1 rule...

 

I am at FL380, 500KIS GS. I need to cross the ABCDE intersection at 12000:

 

38000-12000=26000. Now, you descend 1000 feet every 3 miles, so you can do 26*3 = 78. You want to start you decent 78 miles from ABCDE. Your decent rate to maintain 1000ft every 3 miles can be calculated by taking the ground speed (500 in this case), dividing by 2, and multiplying by 10. That would be 500/2=250. 250*10 = 2500FPM decent rate. Try that and I promise you will never miss a crossing restriction again.

 

And in regards to the Aerosoft bus in particular OP decent works below 15000 or so, once you use the 3-1 to get there, OP will get you the rest of the way. The developers (hopefully) are fixing this. If thats the case I can live with this method until they do.

To the OP:

 

Aerosoft Airbus X Extended ........ wins hands down. Awesome and high quality product.

 

Buy the BBS if you want to hear the default GA fuel pump operating in an airbus :rolleyes: and a plane that is around 40% complete. :wink:

 

So, are you saying I cannot hear the fuel pump, pumping ? Well, if there's no pumping, then why do we want such an airplane? That is not realistic! (Enough with my scarcastic) ...And my poor spelling. :lol:

The 3 to 1 rule...

 

I am at FL380, 500KIS GS. I need to cross the ABCDE intersection at 12000:

 

38000-12000=26000. Now, you descend 1000 feet every 3 miles, so you can do 26*3 = 78. You want to start you decent 78 miles from ABCDE. Your decent rate to maintain 1000ft every 3 miles can be calculated by taking the ground speed (500 in this case), dividing by 2, and multiplying by 1000. That would be 500/2=250. 250*1000 = 2500FPM decent rate. Try that and I promise you will never miss a crossing restriction again.

 

If you're happy with that, then fine. I am not. Might as well just fly the default Airbus in that case. And this is not meant as a bashing of the AXE. it is just not "there" yet.

 

By the way 250*1000 = 250 000 (that's a hefty rate of descent I must say B))

happy new year JComm! Get both :lol: A lot of people will say the Aerosoft but I bought it when it was released and still haven't flown it due to "stuck throttle"......i'm too lazy to tweak and reinstall and have been on xp10 and dcs so far in 2013.

 

You have to buy a throttle. Or a joystick with a throttle. You dont need to tweak anything or mess with any settings. This is actually the only plane that actually worked perfectly with my throttle right from scratch.

Sure, no laughing. I have also logged thousands of hours on the Airbus. But, then.... you're bringing a multi-million-dollar complex animal to the game and comparing every bolt and nut to a computer game? it's impossible! it would not cost $40.00 but several millions-- Considering the complexity of an Airbus.

 

First of all, let me apologise because apparently i led you to think i am rated on the type and i am not. I am not even a pilot, but i'm also not an FS kid. I do my homework, i study (A LOT) and i know perfectly well how to navigate an aircraft plus i understand the Airbus philosophy and know about its flying modes, etc.

 

Now that that's settled, we can get back to what i was pointing out about the Airbus problems, which aren't even related to how an Airbus handles or how different it is from other planes.

 

I was merely pointing out to someone who asked, and i have reported these problems and more to Aerosoft, that there are navigation problems with it. Serious ones, aka show stoppers. They are there and you don't have to be type rated to notice them, you just have to know about navigation and look at the ND...

 

I am in a crowd of people that wants to see the AXE succeed, i want to see the A319 A318 and A330 and i want to fly them, but if someone asks me NOW how the plane is doing, that's what i'm going to say.

 

I'm sorry once again if i sound aggressive and hash at times, that's not my idea. I guess i will sit back for a while and just read a bit while i hope Aerosoft puts out the fixes tomorrow like they have announced.

If you're happy with that, then fine. I am not. Might as well just fly the default Airbus in that case. And this is not meant as a bashing of the AXE. it is just not "there" yet.

 

By the way 250*1000 = 250 000 (that's a hefty rate of descent I must say B))

 

10, 100, 1000, 10000 same thing right... I'll go fix that.

 

One, I never said I am happy with it, but I'm for sure not sad/mad about it. Two:

 

"Then my blood pressure would start to raise a little, and I begin to do those 3-to-1 calculations in my head to know when I really needed to start to descend, just in case the smoke and mirrors didn't work. In a perfect world, the magic works well." (http://ryanthepilot....rbus-pilot.html)

 

I will chalk this up the smoke and mirrors not working.

 

 

If I need to use the 3-1 rule until they fix it, which apparently being done, then I can live with it given all the other things that I like about it, the FBW, the VC/External Model, good performance, and the fact that I can send the Wilco bus to the scrap yard once and for all.

 

And this is not a knock at BBS (don't have the product, never used it) but last time I paid for an open-beta style (Airbus) program for MSFS I got royally screwed over. I don't think I will ever go down that route again.

10, 100, 1000, 10000 same thing right... I'll go fix that.

 

I am just pulling your leg a little bit. ^_^

 

If I need to use the 3-1 rule until they fix it, which apparently being done, then I can live with it given all the other things that I like about it, the FBW, the VC/External Model, good performance, and the fact that I can send the Wilco bus to the scrap yard once and for all.

 

And this is not a knock at BBS (don't have the product, never used it) but last time I paid for an open-beta style (Airbus) program for MSFS I got royally screwed over. I don't think I will ever go down that route again.

 

I hear you. Anyway, I think it's safe to say that neither the AXE nor the BBS are completed by far. And I hope both of them turn out like they should. After all, I own both.

 

Happy bussing!

You have to buy a throttle. Or a joystick with a throttle. You dont need to tweak anything or mess with any settings. This is actually the only plane that actually worked perfectly with my throttle right from scratch.

ok will do, thank you.