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Carenado (FS9) RealityXP 430 Garmin LPV - glideslope

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Carenado (FS9) with RealityXP 430 Garmins, LPV approach.

 

Glideslope bars on HSI are not displayed on LPV approach.

 

Anybody else try yet?

 

Glideslope indication is ok on the default Cessna 182.

Best Regards,

Vaughan Martell  PP-ASEL KDTW

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The only time I had that happen it was because I had the CDI selector on the RXP430 set to VLOC instead of GPS.

Frank Patton
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Naturally, in the first post I failed to mention I am flying the Carenado Baron58 for FS9.

I flew the entire route/approach in GPS mode and LPV was active on the Garmin status..

 

Are you using this aircraft with RealityXP 430WAAS?

Best Regards,

Vaughan Martell  PP-ASEL KDTW

My tendency is to say "No, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night". Am I flying the B58 for FS9. No. Am I flying several other Carenado models both in FS9 and in FSX with the RXP430? Yes. In fact I am flying up to 14 different Carenado and non-Carenado models with the RXP430 (or in some cases 530) and have not seen any difference in operation or function between them. Have I experienced the issue you asked about? Yes I have, under the circumstances I described in my first reply. My CDI selector on the RXP unit was set to VLOC. It needed to be set to GPS. Have you tried another approach, verifying your RXP CDI setting?

Frank Patton
Corsair 5000D Airflow Case; MSI B650 Tomahawk MOB; Ryzen 7 7800 X3D CPU; ASUS RTX 4080 Super; 
NZXT 360mm liquid cooler; Corsair Vengeance 64GB DDR5 4800 MHz RAM; RMX850X Gold PSU;; ASUS VG289 4K 27" Display; Honeycomb Alpha & Bravo, Crosswind 3's w/dampener.  
Former USAF meteorologist & ground weather school instructor. AOPA Member #07379126
                       
"I will never put my name on a product that does not have in it the best that is in me." - John Deere

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I first tested the approach in a default Cessna .. as I mentioned before.

 

Next I did the same approach twice in the Carenado Baron for FS9.1.

 

Two jpg's may help.

 

 

 

 

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/VMartell/LPV-GPS_zpsbd9cd804.jpg

 

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/VMartell/LPV-VLOC1_zpsa5c56c19.jpg

Best Regards,

Vaughan Martell  PP-ASEL KDTW

In the first image above the top GNS430 is set to GPS and the bottom one is set to VLOC. In the second image linked above both of the GNS430's are clearly set to VLOC.

 

In the top image the AP is set to NAV. In the bottom image the AP is not set to either NAV or HDG.

 

The NAV frequencies are not set the same in the two images. You may be seeing the G/S indicators in one and not in the other for that reason. The ILS is independent from the GPS RNAV.

 

What airport and approach are you flying? If you have the ILS freq for the approach set the glidescope indicators will show but you say you are not attempting the ILS approach.

Frank Patton
Corsair 5000D Airflow Case; MSI B650 Tomahawk MOB; Ryzen 7 7800 X3D CPU; ASUS RTX 4080 Super; 
NZXT 360mm liquid cooler; Corsair Vengeance 64GB DDR5 4800 MHz RAM; RMX850X Gold PSU;; ASUS VG289 4K 27" Display; Honeycomb Alpha & Bravo, Crosswind 3's w/dampener.  
Former USAF meteorologist & ground weather school instructor. AOPA Member #07379126
                       
"I will never put my name on a product that does not have in it the best that is in me." - John Deere

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The top image is KDTW RNAV 3R GPS LPV approach. I did not get the glidesolpe on NAV1.

 

The second image is several seconds later .. I switched NAV1 to the ILS freq and went to VLOC .. yep, there is the glideslope.

Best Regards,

Vaughan Martell  PP-ASEL KDTW

Tune the NAVs to some other freqs so that they will not come active for the ILS and double check. Select the approach in the RXP430 #1. Set the RXP430 #1 CDI setting to GPS (assuming the upper RXP is the GPS linked to the AP). Set the AP to NAV. I do not see all of that done in either image.

 

It appears that both GPS are RXP. Is that right? Are you running the RXP Unlimited pack?

Frank Patton
Corsair 5000D Airflow Case; MSI B650 Tomahawk MOB; Ryzen 7 7800 X3D CPU; ASUS RTX 4080 Super; 
NZXT 360mm liquid cooler; Corsair Vengeance 64GB DDR5 4800 MHz RAM; RMX850X Gold PSU;; ASUS VG289 4K 27" Display; Honeycomb Alpha & Bravo, Crosswind 3's w/dampener.  
Former USAF meteorologist & ground weather school instructor. AOPA Member #07379126
                       
"I will never put my name on a product that does not have in it the best that is in me." - John Deere

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LPV approach does not care what freq's are in NAV1 or NAV2 ... correct?

 

The RXP430#1 (top unit) is COM1/GPS NAV1, in LPV approach mode ...

 

 

The #2 430 ... in both jpg's is just tuned to the DXO VOR at DTW .... I crossfilled the approach to it from 430 #1.

Best Regards,

Vaughan Martell  PP-ASEL KDTW

In the lower image you clearly have the NAV freq on the top GPS set to the correct ILS frequency of 111.50 for the ILS 3R approach. You also have the upper GPS CDI setting to VLOC, so you are seeing the G/S indicator due to the ILS. The fact that the display shows LPV is irrelevant because in that instance you are set up for the ILS, not for the RNAV.

 

How did you install two RXP430s in the panel?

 

Give me until tomorrow and let me fly 03R and see what I find. the RXP works flawlessly in all of my aircraft models.

 

Have you tried other RNAV approaches with the Baron and RXP?

Frank Patton
Corsair 5000D Airflow Case; MSI B650 Tomahawk MOB; Ryzen 7 7800 X3D CPU; ASUS RTX 4080 Super; 
NZXT 360mm liquid cooler; Corsair Vengeance 64GB DDR5 4800 MHz RAM; RMX850X Gold PSU;; ASUS VG289 4K 27" Display; Honeycomb Alpha & Bravo, Crosswind 3's w/dampener.  
Former USAF meteorologist & ground weather school instructor. AOPA Member #07379126
                       
"I will never put my name on a product that does not have in it the best that is in me." - John Deere

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The top image is the incorrect one.

No glideslope on HSI in LPV when it should be displayed (NAV1).

 

Bottom image (jpg) is correct .. ILS freq selected, Vloc selected. (NAV1) glideslope is on HSI.

 

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"How did you install two RXP430s in the panel?"

With Notepad. Just like my other payware and MSFS default aircraft.

 

"Give me until tomorrow and let me fly 03R and see what I find. the RXP works flawlessly in all of my aircraft models."

OK.

My other aircraft all work ok also ..

 

This question is for the new Carenado B58 for FS9.1 ..... only.

Best Regards,

Vaughan Martell  PP-ASEL KDTW

In the top example (incorrect one) did you enter the waypoints manually or did you select the RNAV from the GPS settings? Have you tried the same RNAV 03R with another airplane with RXP? Have you had the same experience with other RNAV approaches with the B58 and RXP?

 

Bottom image (jpg) is correct .. ILS freq selected, Vloc selected. (NAV1) glideslope is on HSI.

 

In this bottom image you are set up for the ILS, NOT for the RNAV. The G/S is from the ILS in this case. You have the 111.50 freq tuned and you have the CDI selection set to VLOC (ILS). However in this bottom instance you are not coupled to the approach as the AP is not set to NAV. The AP NAV setting is dark. In this case you are flying the ILS manually.

Frank Patton
Corsair 5000D Airflow Case; MSI B650 Tomahawk MOB; Ryzen 7 7800 X3D CPU; ASUS RTX 4080 Super; 
NZXT 360mm liquid cooler; Corsair Vengeance 64GB DDR5 4800 MHz RAM; RMX850X Gold PSU;; ASUS VG289 4K 27" Display; Honeycomb Alpha & Bravo, Crosswind 3's w/dampener.  
Former USAF meteorologist & ground weather school instructor. AOPA Member #07379126
                       
"I will never put my name on a product that does not have in it the best that is in me." - John Deere

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I first tested the approach in a default Cessna .. as I mentioned before.

 

Next I did the same approach twice in the Carenado Baron for FS9.1.

 

KDTW is my home base ... I fly this approach many times each month.

 

Let me know what happens when you fly the approach ... 10 min to take off and fly it as a test.

 

Note:

I selected the approach and activated it via the Garmin PROC button ...

 

I naturally manually enter flight plan waypoints but not approaches, holds, missed approaches ...

Best Regards,

Vaughan Martell  PP-ASEL KDTW

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"In this bottom image you are set up for the ILS, NOT for the RNAV. The G/S is from the ILS in this case. You have the 111.50 freq tuned and you have the CDI selection set to VLOC (ILS). However in this bottom instance you are not coupled to the approach as the AP is not set to NAV. The AP NAV setting is dark. In this case you are flying the ILS manually.

 

The bottom JPG was just for me to verify that the HSI could display the Glideslope ...

I did not want to fly the ILS .....

Best Regards,

Vaughan Martell  PP-ASEL KDTW

Okay. And please fly a couple of other RNAV approaches in the Baron. Try 5R at Willow Run. Need to isolate the problem. If it is a Baron/RXP issue then it should show up in other approaches. Also, you did respond to my question on how you installed two RXP 430s in the Baron. I've don that in the Carenado Bonanza A36 but it was a real task and the bottom GPS does not show the RXP faceplate. You have the RXP faceplate on both. So are you sure you have an RXP 430 #1 and #2? Or do you have (2) RXP430s #2 in the panel? If the AP is coupled to RXP430#1 and somehow you have two instances of RXP430#2 in the panel then that could cause the issue. It is not easy to install (2) RXP units in a panel and the second usually does not look 100% like an RXP.

Frank Patton
Corsair 5000D Airflow Case; MSI B650 Tomahawk MOB; Ryzen 7 7800 X3D CPU; ASUS RTX 4080 Super; 
NZXT 360mm liquid cooler; Corsair Vengeance 64GB DDR5 4800 MHz RAM; RMX850X Gold PSU;; ASUS VG289 4K 27" Display; Honeycomb Alpha & Bravo, Crosswind 3's w/dampener.  
Former USAF meteorologist & ground weather school instructor. AOPA Member #07379126
                       
"I will never put my name on a product that does not have in it the best that is in me." - John Deere

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