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China flies Xian Y-20 transport for the first time (Jan 26th)

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Haha, what is it's range about a few trips around the pattern? With all the things they can make you would think they could but a high bypass engine on it.

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The ol' C-17 Globemaster knockoff. Gee what will they think of next??

 

The fact that if you're trying to meet similar requirements with similar technology you're probably going to end up with a similar design in the end? Is the 777 just a 767 knock off?

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I wonder which kind of avionics they are running. And does it feature conventional controls or some FBW architecture and things?

 

Besides, China is really setting up a pace on their expansion.

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Besides, China is really setting up a pace on their expansion.

 

Quality over quantity.

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How many countries has that been said about in the last fifty years, who subsequently got their act together? That day is coming.

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Comments on here appear about as arrogant as the perception that the Titanic could never sink. It is easy to laugh at China today but that could change in 10, 20 and 30 years from now.

 

USA was at one time a mighty industrialized nation but that has changed. China is getting better and better at becoming the next industrialized nation. All it takes is more time. I wouldn't criticize that nation or any other nation that is in development at the speed they are working on things.

 

This one is still a Research and Develop project and won't represent what they produce in final production. Looks like they need to start developing their own engines and not use stuff from Russia.

 

 

A military operation involves deception. Even though you are competent, appear to be incompetent. Though effective, appear to be ineffective.

 

-Sun Tsu

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I didn't say they couldn't change, I just said in the past century they have not been known for quality work, this does stand true.

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I didn't say they couldn't change, I just said in the past century they have not been known for quality work, this does stand true.

 

No worries mate...It's all good.

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I didn't say they couldn't change, I just said in the past century they have not been known for quality work, this does stand true.
neither was Japan, then a couple world wars came along and they realized that they needed to step it up.

 

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history of the world has always shown that the torch passes on....

 

Alexander the Great

Roman Empire

Holy Roman Empire

Ottoman Empire

Persian Empire

Byzantine Empire

Han Dynasty

British Empire

Russian Empire

Mongol Empire

 

etc

 

China has been a great dynasty in the past and an early nation to develop medicines and nutrition, many of the reasons why their population is the largest today, they made things sustainable centuries ago while the rest of the world lived in the dark ages.

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The problem today being that they cannot sustain their population at all. Their economic power is also foreign which shifts every 10-20 years, if China wants to keep its current place in the world as a superpower they will have to adopt major changes, and so far I have yet to see any. Rising fuel costs, labor costs, and poor product quality are killing their business, also the fact that companies want to create more jobs back at home for tax breaks and local economic boosts, the next economic shift is coming soon, and China I suspect is going to get hit hard.

 

Think I am full of s**t? Look at economic records over the years, then read the reports about key factors in products, this will lead you to the same conclusion. Japan went through the same thing, however their attention to detail and product quality has saved them, their push into other countries where they manufactured locally to cut shipping and tax costs also played a major factor. China has no wish to create jobs in America by manufacturing in America, this will be a part of their downfall.

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The problem today being that they cannot sustain their population at all. Their economic power is also foreign which shifts every 10-20 years, if China wants to keep its current place in the world as a superpower they will have to adopt major changes, and so far I have yet to see any. Rising fuel costs, labor costs, and poor product quality are killing their business, also the fact that companies want to create more jobs back at home for tax breaks and local economic boosts, the next economic shift is coming soon, and China I suspect is going to get hit hard.

 

Think I am full of s**t? Look at economic records over the years, then read the reports about key factors in products, this will lead you to the same conclusion. Japan went through the same thing, however their attention to detail and product quality has saved them, their push into other countries where they manufactured locally to cut shipping and tax costs also played a major factor. China has no wish to create jobs in America by manufacturing in America, this will be a part of their downfall.

 

Im no economist but i think you hit the nail on the head.

 

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Think I am full of s**t? Look at economic records over the years, then read the reports about key factors in products, this will lead you to the same conclusion

 

I think you make a very good point

 

 

I can't think of any nation without its problems and overpopulation will be the biggest challenge for everyone as we move forward. Yes for China they are at the forefront of that challenge. This is why I said they made things sustainable for themselves centuries ago and that has led to a population boom for them today.

 

One thing about this planet is land, they are not making anymore of it, in 50+ years the problems are only going to get much worse over time.

 

Also I have no idea how the Economy is supposed to right itself as right now the only thing that seems to be working is Australia and Canada's continued exportation of natural resources. For the rest of the world it has been a wild ride for everyone.

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What you will soon see is Brazil become a world economic power, and manufacturing jobs coming back to America (this is already happening). The US buys more goods than any other country in the world, it makes sense especially with high import tax rates and fuel costs to move manufacturing to your major export country. China wants to control everything in their country, this is a communist ideal, and it will lead to their economic downfall, many US companies are on the verge of moving manufacturing either back to the US or to South America where they can get a better profit margin and better quality.

 

If China wants to compete they need to change 2 major things...

 

1. Product Quality has to be on par with either Japanese or American standards

 

2. They have to allow their businesses and labor to move back to American soil to increase revenue and profit margin

 

 

The likelihood of number 1 changing is moderate, and its dependent upon how much their business suffers due to poor quality and labor costs. Number 2 likelihood of change is minimal to almost non-existant, and again this will be a critical factor in China's economic downfall. Japan faced the same issue in the 1980's they succeeded because they saw what was coming, and took direct action, they are still an economic power because of 2 things, and those 2 things are China's problems listed above. Want proof? SONY, SAMSUNG, TOSHIBA, HONDA, MITSUBISHI, TOYOTA they are considered top name brands, and they all have factories and distribution centers all over the US, yet they are Japanese companies, Japan got it right, the formula is there for success, China is either too arrogant or incompetent to see it.

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Looks much smaller than a C-17. I can not help but think of this (probably because I drive by it 5 times a week).

 

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What you will soon see is Brazil become a world economic power, and manufacturing jobs coming back to America (this is already happening). The US buys more goods than any other country in the world, it makes sense especially with high import tax rates and fuel costs to move manufacturing to your major export country. China wants to control everything in their country, this is a communist ideal, and it will lead to their economic downfall, many US companies are on the verge of moving manufacturing either back to the US or to South America where they can get a better profit margin and better quality.

 

If China wants to compete they need to change 2 major things...

 

1. Product Quality has to be on par with either Japanese or American standards

 

2. They have to allow their businesses and labor to move back to American soil to increase revenue and profit margin

 

 

The likelihood of number 1 changing is moderate, and its dependent upon how much their business suffers due to poor quality and labor costs. Number 2 likelihood of change is minimal to almost non-existant, and again this will be a critical factor in China's economic downfall. Japan faced the same issue in the 1980's they succeeded because they saw what was coming, and took direct action, they are still an economic power because of 2 things, and those 2 things are China's problems listed above. Want proof? SONY, SAMSUNG, TOSHIBA, HONDA, MITSUBISHI, TOYOTA they are considered top name brands, and they all have factories and distribution centers all over the US, yet they are Japanese companies, Japan got it right, the formula is there for success, China is either too arrogant or incompetent to see it.

 

I'm sorry but how is American quality any better than China's? Volkswagen reduced the quality of the Golf's they sent to the USA because the "original quality" was overkill.

Drive a Jeep, Christler, Dodge, or any other American car and they are no better than driving a Great Wall. The G8 was such a huge hit in the USA because even Australian (Holden) quality was better than the US product quality (GM)...

 

Has the 787 not been rushed out? Teething problems? I don't think so....

 

Here in Aus if you see "Made in the USA" you stay clear just as much as if it said "Made in Taiwan"....

 

You want Quality you look for made in EU (Germany, Switzerland, Netherland, Holland... etc). Simple.

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China = Quality, LMAO, not in this past century

 

People laughed at the Japanese and then the Koreans and look where they are now.

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I'll take a Pratt & Whitney, General Electric, Boeing, Lockheed product any day over something made from China when it comes to aviation. You can not really compare the auto industry to this.

 

Last time I checked, GM (an American company) owns Holden. I think the GM/Holden/Pontiac G8 was a POS also. All motor and no chassis. Americans love RWD big motor cars no matter who makes it. Slap the Pontiac name on it and the diehards will scoop them up. The quality you saw in Australia did not make it over here. Maybe that's why they no longer import it. Since the auto recession hit, American car manufacturers have rebounded in a big way and have really stepped their game up (and that's coming from a Euro car guy in the U.S).

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