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Hello. Long time nVidia user here but I have been using ATI for a few years now and currently own a factory overclocked 2GB 6950 from HIS with great results. The last few nights I have been using FSX on another computer with a new 3GB 7950 from HIS. It worked fantastic as well. In both cases I am getting glass smooth framerates locked at 30 in ORBX scenery. On that note, occasionally I see posts from people not having the same luck and thought I would chime in on the best settings I have found for ATI in FSX after a few years experience.

These are MUST HAVE settings I would like to point out. Screenshots follow of these settings. With my 6950 I get fantastically smooth experience locked at 30 with Scenery Complexity set to Very high and Autogen to Dense. With the settings listed, I get no tearing, blurring, stutter or otherwise. I can go higher on autogen with the 7950 as well.

IN GAME SETTINGS

Lock Framerates at 30 (best practice)
Do NOT check Anti-aliasing. (enabling AA in game produces stutters when SSAA is enabled in driver)
Anisotropic must be enabled in game

IN ATI CCC DRIVER

Set AA to Override and AA to 4X
Filter = Standard Filter
Method = Super Sampling or you will get hard to read gauges
Anisotrophic to 16X
Quality set to High Quality
Surface Format Optimization Off Or you will get shimmering bad (critical setting)
Wait for Vertical Refresh OFF, unless application specifies

FSX CONFIG - The holy trinity.

Add these. This seems the best and cleanest from testing. I've tried allot of others to get same or degraded experience overall.

[Display]
WideViewAspect=True

[GRAPHICS]
HIGHMEMFIX=1
ForceFullScreenVSync=1


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If you do not know where to find the FSX.CFG file to add those three lines to the config, in Windows 7 it is right here...

 

C:\Users\*yourusername*\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\FSX

 

NOTE: to see that APPDATA folder you have to go to Folder Options in My Computer, Organize and Folder and Search Options... VIEW TAB and enable "Show Hidden Files, Folders and Drives". Or you will not see your APPDATA folder in the USER folder.

 

Charles.

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Can you tell me how much fps do you get with PMDG737 at UK2000 EGLL? (If you have the add on) Otherwise, choose a fps hungry aircraft+airport. I am trying to compare my settings to yours. 

I get around 24 fps base on above mentioned with below settings.

 

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Well. I don't have that airport or plane. But how about CYVR in ORBX PNW with the PMDG JS41? With my system set as I described in the guide. Here's some quick shots. No beauty shots. Just quick raw V Key capture, upload. Done. Please click the pictures as they are quite compressed in the browser. I would say I was averaging around 25 - 35. This was on the runway and then one on final doing the ILS to RW26L.

 

Like I said. No awards for composition here. Just snaps from the chair. I usually don't run UNLIMITED though. I lock 30 as that all but eliminates lagy texture loading. At least it seems to so I do it.

 

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I think the PMDG JS-41 + default Orbx CYVR hardly a 'frame killer' compare to my combinations of UK2000 EGLL + PMDG737. Wish I could compare unfortunately I don't have the same add on as you. What system you got btw?

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I think the PMDG JS-41 + default Orbx CYVR hardly a 'frame killer' compare to my combinations of UK2000 EGLL + PMDG737. Wish I could compare unfortunately I don't have the same add on as you. What system you got btw?

 

Intel i7 2600K @ 4.2 Ghz, 8GB Kingston HyperX RAM, HIS 6950 2GB, 256GB SSD drive, 27" Viewsonic screen, Win7 64, Saitek Cessna Yoke Pedals and TPM. ect...

 

OK well the JS41 is the heaviest plane I have. It is by most account pretty close to the NGX in load. But whatever.

 

I have all of ORBX regions except for England and Wales.

 

I have about 10 ORBX airports in the NA regions and heaviest airport I own is KFSS from ORBX.

 

All I can promise is this though.

 

1. External Limiters cause ATI to stutter. (Don't use it)

2. Unlimited fps setting in cloud causes stutter. (Lock it)

3. Surface Format Optimization must be off to remove shimmer.

4. AA must be off in FSX but Ansio must be on.

 

As for your situation at that airport in that plane. Well. Not sure what to tell you. Get a GTX680 Super Clock or Factory overclocked ATI 7970? Get water cooling and take the CPU to 5Ghz? Don't know. If I had that stuff I would test it for you.

 

Charles.

Hi.

Can you post more info about your FSX settings?

 

All I have in FSX.CFG is this...

 

[Display]

WideViewAspect=True

 

[GRAPHICS]

HIGHMEMFIX=1

ForceFullScreenVSync=1

 

This is the rest of FSX settings...

 

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Why such low AA Samples? Why not use 8x or edge-detect (12x, 24x)?

 

That works fine on clear days but start to feel it over Portland in overcast weather. So I just leave it there. I'll give 12x Super Sample a try but this is asking for trouble trying to do an approach into ORBX KSFF or KSEA with some cloudy weather. I don't care what system a person has. LOL

 

I have witnessed the carnage on more powerful systems than my own. KSEA with the default with the Cold Fronts weather theme in the JS41 on an i7 3770 @ 4.6 with an overclocked GTX680 getting in the low 20's. ROFLMAO.

 

EDIT - I just tried 12X (Edge Detect Super Sample) and it dropped me from high 20's to low 20's while flightseeing around Portland ORBX Downtown area and landing KTTD. All in semi-cloud ceiling.

 

If I had a 7950 or 7970 I would use 12X. Monitoring the card GPU usage it climbed considerably with more clouds and that AA setting. Those newer cards would take it on no prob I would imagine.

 

Portland airports are fun. KPDX is a little heavy for me though. A 3770 at 4.6 and a 7970 would be the ultimate I think.

 

C.

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Can you tell me how much fps do you get with PMDG737 at UK2000 EGLL? (If you have the add on) Otherwise, choose a fps hungry aircraft+airport. I am trying to compare my settings to yours. 

I get around 24 fps base on above mentioned with below settings.

 

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Do me a favor.

 

If you have ORBX PNW scenery, go do the ILS 34R or L at KSEA in your PMDG737. Make sure you have a nice cloudy ceiling. I'd like to see how your framerates do there. Is that a heavy-ish area for you? Seems it one of the worst I have seen. GTX680 equipped i7 3770 computers have trouble there.

 

Charles.

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Thanks Charles for starting this topic and giving us some hopes of running ATI hardware with good results on FSX.  Up to this point, all I saw was nVidia video cards were the only ones that worked.

 

I will be in the market for a video card shortly (currently running on the Intel i5 3570K OC to 4.4Ghz HD 4000 video) and this opens up some alternatives when I get to that point.

 

Just for information, my Orbix PNW is not yet reinstalled after updating the system 5 months ago but I do have UTXUsa and a freeware update for KSEA and get between 15 to 20 FPS on final to 16L.

 

Thanks again,

Fred.

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Thanks Charles for starting this topic and giving us some hopes of running ATI hardware with good results on FSX.  Up to this point, all I saw was nVidia video cards were the only ones that worked.

 

I will be in the market for a video card shortly (currently running on the Intel i5 3570K OC to 4.4Ghz HD 4000 video) and this opens up some alternatives when I get to that point.

 

Just for information, my Orbix PNW is not yet reinstalled after updating the system 5 months ago but I do have UTXUsa and a freeware update for KSEA and get between 15 to 20 FPS on final to 16L.

 

Thanks again,

Fred.

 

Remember to disable some UTX stuff when you install ORBX PNW. You will have to Google UTX compatibility with ORBX to find the guides for that. I cant remember off hand. But there are some UTX things that will clash with ORBX PNW. 

 

C.

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I think the PMDG JS-41 + default Orbx CYVR hardly a 'frame killer' compare to my combinations of UK2000 EGLL + PMDG737. Wish I could compare unfortunately I don't have the same add on as you. What system you got btw?

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/357857-js4100-vs-737-800-ngx-the-biggest-fps-killer/

 

So all we need is a common airport from which to test if you still wanted to.

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Using your CCC settings and lock fps at 30. I loss about 6 fps at the same airport + aircraft with my system.

 

I can't stress my i7 2700K beyond 4.7ghz without bumping up the vcore to 1.40, which also stresses the temperature over 82 on Prime95 stress test.  

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Using your CCC settings and lock fps at 30. I loss about 6 fps at the same airport + aircraft with my system.

 

I can't stress my i7 2700K beyond 4.7ghz without bumping up the vcore to 1.40, which also stresses the temperature over 82 on Prime95 stress test.

 

So is UK2000 EGLL known as a difficult airport to render or something? Regardless I think you have a kick &@($* system. i sure wish i had it. :-)

 

Obviously my settings are not for performance but for IQ, stutter prevention, shimmer prevention and decent AA. I certainly know there are a hand full of scenarios tha bring all systems to their knees as evidenced by Kostas benchmarks of the 580, 680 and Titan. He can't go over 2xSGSS in overcast clouds or from rates tank and this guy is an Nvidia tweak guru with FSX.

 

http://#####.wordpress.com/fsxp3d-gpu-comparison-aka-gtx-titan-for-fsx-test/

 

These are the most powerful cards for FSX. I guess we need to wait for the Titan to come under 1000 bucks. Lol.

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Why such low AA Samples? Why not use 8x or edge-detect (12x, 24x)?

 

Went out and learned about SSAA versus SGSS. While I can run those higher AA modes, I don't think 4xSSAA should be considered low. Most NVidia guides recommend 8xS + 2xSGSS. That is 4 samples as well with a sprinkle of SSAA. (2xSS+4xMSAA) and enabling 2xSGSS to transparent textures in inspector is 2 sample Super Sample to Gauges, GPS displays, VC Bezel edges and Paint jobs on external models in FSX. This is roughly the equivalent to (maybe a pinch better on poly's) 4 Sample Full Scene Super Sample.

 

http://www.dahlsys.com/misc/antialias/

http://naturalviolen....com/sgssaa.htm

 

I just bought a new ATI 7950 3GB (660ti competitor) for $300. Blasting around ORBX PNW in the Carenado C337 with some real time weather injection from Opus is glass smooth, zero shimmer, no tearing, no blurring. Wish I could have afforded a 7970 but not sure it would have made that much difference. I will try 8xSSAA for a while but I think in thick overcast layers I will still drop to low 20's if I do that.

 

I believe the issues of ATI and Clouds in FSX are finally over and done with. Have been for a few years.

 

C.

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Over the past years, we have plenty of tweaks for Nvidia users but not ATI. Keep up with your research on ATI card settings for fsx. I'm sure us ATI users will be glad to know if there's a tweak which on par with Nvidia NI.

 

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Went out and learned about SSAA versus SGSS. While I can run those higher AA modes, I don't think 4xSSAA should be considered low. Most NVidia guides recommend 8xS + 2xSGSS. That is 4 samples as well with a sprinkle of SSAA. (2xSS+4xMSAA) and enabling 2xSGSS to transparent textures in inspector is 2 sample Super Sample to Gauges, GPS displays, VC Bezel edges and Paint jobs on external models in FSX. This is roughly the equivalent to (maybe a pinch better on poly's) 4 Sample Full Scene Super Sample.

 

http://www.dahlsys.com/misc/antialias/

http://naturalviolen....com/sgssaa.htm

 

I just bought a new ATI 7950 3GB (660ti competitor) for $300. Blasting around ORBX PNW in the Carenado C337 with some real time weather injection from Opus is glass smooth, zero shimmer, no tearing, no blurring. Wish I could have afforded a 7970 but not sure it would have made that much difference. I will try 8xSSAA for a while but I think in thick overcast layers I will still drop to low 20's if I do that.

 

I believe the issues of ATI and Clouds in FSX are finally over and done with. Have been for a few years.

 

C.

 

I changed my settings back to 4x and visually I cant tell a difference. However, at busy airports with all the add-ons at dawn with building storms (Rex, UTX, FSDreamTeam DFW) in the RealAir duke I am getting around 5fps better in the VC (around 22-23) and near 30 in all the other views.

 

THANK YOU!!!

 

As others have said, it appears us ATI people are finally getting our cards tweaked properly :lol:

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I changed my settings back to 4x and visually I cant tell a difference. However, at busy airports with all the add-ons at dawn with building storms (Rex, UTX, FSDreamTeam DFW) in the RealAir duke I am getting around 5fps better in the VC (around 22-23) and near 30 in all the other views.

 

THANK YOU!!!

 

As others have said, it appears us ATI people are finally getting our cards tweaked properly :lol:

So glad its working well for you. That 7870 is a great card!

 

C.

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Ok I cannot edit the original post but a GTX580 owner gave me a piece of advise. While I already have Ansio enabled in FSX Graphics Options, I was Setting Override in ATI CCC for Anisotrophic Filtering Mode and setting it to 16X and High Quality, he suggested I set it to Application Controlled and let FSX do the Ansio.

 

In my Benchmarks with FSXMARK11 got about a 10% boost in framrates. FSXMARK11 is a GPU killer benchmark where you max the weather sliders in FSX and ten load a flight and let it fly in a million layers of overcast in the default 747. I was getting about 20 fps average and now I get about 22 with spikes to 25. Not that this granular level of change really matters. And of course people can manipulate results with all kinds of FSX.CFG and inspector tweaks and LOD radius settings and things of that nature. I have seen people get 30 locked in this test with lesser system than people getting 20. This tweak that tweak (compromises in some cases like reject radius for instance). All I cared was I was able to measure a difference. With Could density simply at HIGH instead of maxed and draw distance to 70, I get FSXMARK11 to average 30 - 35 fps. Apparently ATI can do clouds. No doubt an overcocked GTX580, 660ti and 680 all get better than the equivalent ATI in this tourture test but for regular weather themes and flying, ATI is far from "unable to handle clouds". I am getting more or less GTX570/580 type results.

 

Now from an IQ standpoint, I am testing...

 

Ansio set in game (as before) but CCC set to application controlled. **FAIL** -> See below...

AA set in ATI CCC (I use SuperSample 4xAA which is roughly equivalent to the NVidia 8xS w/ 2xSGSS).

 

Letting FSX do ANSIO. Looks good. But to me not good enough. While there is no Shimmer in AG or land textures, there is some slight shimmer in the distant water. I am an IQ nut so I am going back to ATI CCC for Ansio. I still leave FSX set to ANSIO but I am back to 16X in CCC. Looks better and no shimmer anywhere.

 

Looks great! Locked at 30 at 99% of the time in payware planes in ORBX land multitudes of weather scenarios. I need to keep an eye on textures letting FSX do it to ensure it is still shimmer free. So far so goo. In fair to medium weather I can use 8xSSAA without drops in fps even with some medium cloud as long as I set cloud to HIGH instead of maxed for Density. This is on this new HIS 7950 3GB card. For $300 it is a monster. Especially in Crysis 3 and BioShock infinite which I got free with the card!

 

FSX has never looked this good and ran this smooth with minimal tweaks required. Just himemfix and forcefullscreenvsync.

 

Last note... Using Bjotes online tweak tool here ---> http://www.venetubo.com/fsx.html

 

dropped my results to 18fps. Pretty massive change to the negative for me. Went back to the 2 simple tweaks and it just works better.

 

Charles.

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Firstly my thanks for starting a ATI thread were we (ATI owners) are able to discuss settings.

 

Running at EGLL Extreme and the NGX with 20% AI traffic (Mytraffic) i can get reasonable performance at 5760x1080 (windowed).  

 

My CCC settings are similar to the above though i have:

AA: Enhance application settings

Filter: Edge

AA method: Adaptive.  

Morph Filtering: Off

 

Otherwise very much the same, from observations on overclocking the gfx card it appears to make little difference.  I don't run separate profiles for other applications.



 

Last note... Using Bjotes online tweak tool here ---> http://www.venetubo.com/fsx.html

 

dropped my results to 18fps. Pretty massive change to the negative for me. Went back to the 2 simple tweaks and it just works better.

 

Charles.

 

Interesting, was this because the max texture size is now only 1024?  I think that the tweaks move this to 4096.  It would be interesting to know which tweak resulted in the drop?

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Firstly my thanks for starting a ATI thread were we (ATI owners) are able to discuss settings.

 

Running at EGLL Extreme and the NGX with 20% AI traffic (Mytraffic) i can get reasonable performance at 5760x1080 (windowed).  

 

My CCC settings are similar to the above though i have:

AA: Enhance application settings

Filter: Edge

AA method: Adaptive.  

Morph Filtering: Off

 

Otherwise very much the same, from observations on overclocking the gfx card it appears to make little difference.  I don't run separate profiles for other applications.

 

 

Interesting, was this because the max texture size is now only 1024?  I think that the tweaks move this to 4096.  It would be interesting to know which tweak resulted in the drop?

 

I have to try that "Enhance AA" instead of override. 8xMSAA is free with ATI in FSX and looks stunning but gauges are Transparent textures and require SSAA. Which is why NVidia users do the 2xSGSS thing to fix the gauges clarity. Same as switching from MSAA to SSAA with ATI. NVidia tweak is a little more flexible as it allows them to do a slightly better than 4xMSAA and then tell the driver to hit the gauges with 2xSGSS (2xSSAA) to make them sharp. I have friends with 680's that came from 570's and using 4xSGAA in inspector in thick layer clouds tanks the fps even on their new card. REX clouds and 4xSGAA = fps drop. ATI users have pure full scene Super Sample AA to pick for that but it is on everything so the card has to work a touch harder in that regard. So I stick to 4x. Now enhance? I have not tried.

 

All I know that is in heavy cloud with FSX set to AA in game I was getting stutters when there was heavy overcast cloud when I practice low vis IFR approaches. Not bad stutters but I am a stickler when it comes to any hitching or glitching when I look around with my TrackIR.

 

When I get time I will try that setting. :)

 

C.

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ATI users have pure full scene Super Sample AA to pick for that but it is on everything so the card has to work a touch harder in that regard. So I stick to 4x. Now enhance? I have not tried.

 

 

C.

 

It does look a little better (in my opinion) but Super Sampling kills my system at 5760x1080, not just in FSX but in everything.  I haven't tried Morphological Filtering within FSX, it has issues with other software making the text kind of blury, i might try it again.

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It does look a little better (in my opinion) but Super Sampling kills my system at 5760x1080, not just in FSX but in everything.  I haven't tried Morphological Filtering within FSX, it has issues with other software making the text kind of blury, i might try it again.

Just so you know... I use PROFILES in the 3D area. Basically you set up like you want. Then you say... New Profile and browse to the FSX.EXE file in the FSX main folder. Done. Now you can leave the STANDARD set to whatever you want so anything but FSX uses that configuration and everything else uses another. For Crysis 3 I left the Main CCC configuration at DEFAULT because the games does SSAA really well and I dont want to mess with it. When I run FSX I get 4xSSAA and 16XAF. :)

 

So if you set 4xSSAA in CCC you can't fly that resolution? What sort of fps do you average just bumming around ORBX scenery if you were to use that setting? URGENT NOTE: if you use that setting (Override 4X Super Sample) in CCC you MUST turn off AA in FSX. ATI does not like SSAA with FSX AA enabled.

 

C.

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Nice to see some ATI interest here.

 

My settings are similar too. I find it a good balance. I do have Surface Format Optimisation ON so will try with it off. Does it make that much difference then?

ATI cards are not that bad for FSX. Not as bad as some would suggest anyway.

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