May 20, 201313 yr I know Michel... sorry :blush: But I am seriously getting enthusiastic about X-Plane10 again! I am !!!! ;-) Nice to see your renewed interest jcomm. I had a nice P-51 video in my post, but youtube links don't work. :(
May 20, 201313 yr I know there's a payware p51d for X-Plane (9, I believe), don't recall exactly who does it. Never bought it, but should a good model become available, it would be great to test against DCS's p51d. I would naturally love to see a good b377, a Constallation, a dc-6 available for X-Plane10, but I don't know how those would work.... Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
May 20, 201313 yr I know there's a payware p51d for X-Plane (9, I believe), don't recall exactly who does it. Never bought it, but should a good model become available, it would be great to test against DCS's p51d. I would naturally love to see a good b377, a Constallation, a dc-6 available for X-Plane10, but I don't know how those would work.... I didn't like the payware P-51. Its why my posts became moderated at the org.
May 20, 201313 yr I didn't like the payware P-51. Its why my posts became moderated at the org. Ok, glad I didn't spend my money on it then :-) ! Something made me refrain from buying it sometime ago... Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
May 20, 201313 yr I didn't like the payware P-51. Its why my posts became moderated at the org. There might be other reasons for this, too :lol:. By the way, some people seem to be able to circumvent physics :He He:. Props turning in the same direction definitively need some measures taken to balance their effect, be it by the pilot or other constructive measures - that's physics. One example for countermeasures by the pilot is e.g. the Mitsubishi MU-2 with the 2 props turning in the same direction - it is ill-reputed as a dangerous aircraft (amongst others) due to this fact. My sceneries (excerpt): LPMA Madeira (XPFR), LGSR Santorini, LRBV Brasov, the city of Fürth (Germany), several libraries, ...
May 20, 201313 yr uwespeed, on 20 May 2013 - 8:47 PM, said: One example for countermeasures by the pilot is e.g. the Mitsubishi MU-2 with the 2 props turning in the same direction - it is ill-reputed as a dangerous aircraft (amongst others) due to this fact. Most twin props have their props rotating in the same direction. It's a lot less expensive to build them that way. Baron 55, 58, a C90, a B200, B1900, Cessna 310, etc... They have even less "prop effects". The main problem results, as you point out, from there being a critical engine (the left one usually), and when that one fails, things get worst than in a counter-rotating twin. The MU-2 adds to it the very high wing loading... The MU-2 wings, with flaps retracted, have the same area of a Piper Cub (178 sq fteet!!!= I surely would not feel confortable flying one of those... :-) Curiously the MU-2 has CCW props, and thus requires left rudder during takeoff and climb-out... Rudder! Not aileron :-) In the MU2 the critical engine is the right one... Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
May 20, 201313 yr Curiously the MU-2 has CCW props, and thus requires left rudder during takeoff and climb-out... Rudder! Not aileron :-) In the MU2 the critical engine is the right one... Wrong, the Mu-2 definitely requires a lot of left ailerons during takeoff: Pascal
May 20, 201313 yr Thx Pascal, those videos are great, and indeed I see left yoke, but, I really was referring to a few articles I have on the MU-2, all of them referring left rudder, not left aileron... :-/ Anyway, both videos do show left yoke being input, that's for sure... I might consider the wind was from the left on both, and on the first video the pilot initiates a left turn after takeoff, but it appears that some control inputs were really meant to counter some right rolling tendency! I stand corrected!!! Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
May 20, 201313 yr uwespeed, on 20 May 2013 - 1:47 PM, said: One example for countermeasures by the pilot is e.g. the Mitsubishi MU-2 with the 2 props turning in the same direction - it is ill-reputed as a dangerous aircraft (amongst others) due to this fact. The MU-2 does have a poor reputation, but I've never heard anyone suggest that it has anything to do with its (Edit - lack of) counter-rotating engines. The design of the wing and flaps make procedures in critical flight operations (like go-arounds) different from most planes. Couple different procedures with a very fast plane available at (relatively) low cost that is often a big step-up from previous aircraft and you have the accident rate that you have. Here in the US, the FAA has mandated special training and currency requirements and basically concluded that there's nothing inherently wrong with the plane, it simply needs to be operated differently and in order for that to happen consistently, pilots need to be properly trained and current in type. Like many "dangerous" aircraft, I think the MU-2 gets a bad rap. Scott
May 20, 201313 yr Thx Pascal, those videos are great, and indeed I see left yoke, but, I really was referring to a few articles I have on the MU-2, all of them referring left rudder, not left aileron... :-/ Anyway, both videos do show left yoke being input, that's for sure... I might consider the wind was from the left on both, and on the first video the pilot initiates a left turn after takeoff, but it appears that some control inputs were really meant to counter some right rolling tendency! I stand corrected!!! I haven't found the youtube video that Tom Kyler once posted, that shows exactly this. But those two show the yoke action very well.
May 20, 201313 yr And to come back to the original subject of this thread, I'm pretty sure Randazzo made it clear they would not enter the X-Plane market with one of their most complex aircraft. Which means no NGX and no 777. The best strategy to enter a new platform is to start (relatively) simple and build up complexity with time and experience. That's exactly what Carenado did, and it worked well. PMDG will do that.
May 20, 201313 yr And to come back to the original subject of this thread, I'm pretty sure Randazzo made it clear they would not enter the X-Plane market with one of their most complex aircraft. Which means no NGX and no 777. The best strategy to enter a new platform is to start (relatively) simple and build up complexity with time and experience. That's exactly what Carenado did, and it worked well. PMDG will do that. I predict a PMDG Cessna :lol:
May 20, 201313 yr I predict a PMDG Cessna :lol: Heck, why not ? as long as it's a greeaaat Cessna ! :lol:
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