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FS9 and the new setup: I have FINALLY reached the Holy Land!

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With the new Omega 2.5.90 drivers, driving a Radeon X800XT PCI-Express 256 MB video card,..I have FINALLY---reached the

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Great to hear Mitch. I too have been waiting for a realistic flight environment for some time now as well. Unfortunately, I do not have a comparable setup, but plan to in about a year, which is about the same time the new version is out. With a new system and a new version of FS, I should be singing similar praises as well.

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How about some nice big good-graphics screenshots with FPS counter? :-)

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Mitch,I am happy that you have found your holy grail. It would please me greatly if you could set your system up as I have detailed in the following post http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho..._id=3793&page=2 and let me know how many FPS you achieve in this (or as close as you can get) situation. If you can score even 15 FPS under such conditions (and I'm genuinely hoping that you can), I'll be calling Dell :)Gary

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Gary, it is 6:15 am, and I am onto your request as soon as I type this out.. I'll get back to you right away!Gone.....Mitch R.

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Gary, I just came back from your test and with EVERYTHING TOTALLY MAX'ED out on my driver setup, and as well as 8/8 on lights and mipmaps on the sliders in HARDWARE setup---- (and of course EVERYTHING at 100 percent on each slider offered in FS9) I am MOST happy to report to you a constant 35 FPS with 7 A.I planes in view at the gates and others in motion/taxi out to the active.In fact, It's funny that you mention KORD, because I had just landed, in from Toronto and had just finished a taxi to the gate! With heavy real-world downloaded cloud build-up, and with it of course in view, I averaged 55 FPS in flight. When I passed by the heavy cloud cover and up-shots, I went on average in this flight to around 70 FPS.I am going to lock the system down to 30 FPS today and play around with that setting. As I said, I have NEVER had such great performance from any system that I have owned until now.I won't be upgrading, any time soon, LOL!Oh...you said better than 15? Ok...you had better call Dell, ROTFLMBO!Cheers and happy system searching.....Mitch R.

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Nice system, pretty similar to mine, but the major difference is the price.Mine is self-built, and I would reckon it is at least 1/2 the price of the Dell box.If you can be bothered it would certainly make finacial sense to build your own.I get at least 35fps in all areas, in the air can rise up to 100+ fps, but I prefer to have my fps locked down to 35.Dan.

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Mitch,Just want to check on a few configuration/settings that you have there. Are you running Ultimate Traffic @ 100%? Do you have ground scenery shadows enabled? Clouds, etc at max range? AA and AF @ max?I probably sound sceptical, but one of the main points of the post that I referenced is that under such conditions, CPU seemed to be the main driver (video card settings had negligble effect). I can pull upwards of 200FPS at altitude, but there are definitely conditions that bog the whole show down. Now your 3.4E is top of the line from the Intel camp (excepting the EE), but I owned a P4 @ 2.7 before I jumped ship to the AMD camp, and I wasn't seeing anywhere near your FPS (even taking the scaling difference between the two CPUs into account) and my XP 3200+ was an improvement over what I had. We are talking over a 4X improvement in frame rates here (8 -> 35), suggesting that either something is very wrong with my system configuration or this new range of video cards (6800 / X800) clears a major bottleneck in the FS code architecture. I am not convinced that the P4 Prescott architecture offers that order of magnitude of a perfermance jump (except for room heating factor maybe ;))I'm open to any suggestions / comments.GaryPS. A comparitive screenshot would be good.

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Gary,One of the biggest hits I have found is aircraft shadows.When they are displayed on your own plane, then its fine.But as soon as you try to display shadows on 100 AI planes it KILLS fps in a big way.Dan.

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Everything is on, Gary. Reflections, Shadows, everything.In FS9, anything that can be clicked on, or adjusted to the 100 percent level, is on my setup.Same with the Omega Drivers. All set to the max in each setting.I just taxied from a KORD gate with four A.I's ahead of me to the active. I had my FPS not locked, and was in the 46 FPS range to the threshold. Just after take off from 09L towards the lake, I climbed to the mid 70's.Cloud cover was average.I'll post a screen shot with the FPS counter on when somebody gives me the steps to do one...lol. Until then, I'm S.O.L on the Screen Shot post.Cheers!Mitch

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Hi,Mitch, my name is Tom. Congrats on your new system.I am in the midst of shopping for a new system myself and, after reading your post, gave the Dell website a good look. I looked at the XPS and Dimension 8400. The XPS is truly a fantastic setup - unfortunately, my pocketbook can only go for the 8400 Gamer Ready system. I planned on making some upgrades: 1GB Ram and the 128MB PCI Express x16 ATI Radeon X800 SE graphics card. I don't know a lot about the new graphics cards and wanted to know what you thought of this card.Thanks. Enjoy your new system.:-beerchug Tom

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Hi,1. Turn on Frame rate counter with Shift-Z three times or so.2. Get the image you want on the screen.3. Press Alt- Print Screen4. Start a paint program (Paint Shop Pro, Photoshop).5. Choose Paste as New Image (Paste alone works too)6. Crop the image if desired. Now save the image as type JPG.7. In this forum, start writing your message.8. To attach the image, choose "Click here to choose your attachments"9. Click the JPEG Image File radio button.10. Click the Browse button, and find your JPG image.11. If you wish to embed the pic in your message, click that box.12. Click on Upload FileHope this helps,--Tom GibsonCal Classic Propliner Page: http://www.calclassic.comFreeflight Design Shop: http://www.freeflightdesign.comDrop by! ___x_x_(")_x_x___

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Yes it did, very much. Thanks...I know about the FPS counter, just didn't know about how to grab a screen-shot. Thanks..will create a few and send 'em along. :))Cheers!Mitch R.

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I do use third-party quite a bit, mostly free-ware from off of AVSIM etc. I do not use Active Sky at this time.Cheers!Mitch R.

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Tom, I'd be lying to say that I really can give a worthwhile opinion on the card, but I can say that the new standard; PCI-Express seems to be the cat's meow!You have 200 percent at least the bandwidth of AGP 8X and are running on 16 channels of input/output. What's not to like, huh? :)The XPS is a great machine indeed, but so is the 8400!!! I just looked at those spec's as well. I have ALWAYS put together my own systems, always from the M.B. up. What made me decide to go for an already-installed system such as Dell or Alienware? Well...actually, I'm really into hardware, and design. The Dell XPS Gen III system really impressed me! The Dell XPS rocks because of careful thought that went into thermal management. You have only to view the specs, and the way they built the chassis to know they planned this baby from the ground up. (Lord, I sound like a Dell commercial (sic!)) The 460 watt power unit is totally isolated from the main chassis by its own compartment which takes up the whole foot print of the base of the unit. It has its own dedicated fans that take care of that area. The CPU is shrouded and not only that, has a MASSIVE copper THERMAL TOWER. You have GOT to see this thing....MASSIVE! Even the drive bays have their own dedicated heat shrouds to better control the intake and out-take of cooling air. In a word, this system was planned in each phase of its make-up. I was so impressed, like the commercial goes, I bought the 'razor', lol.Was I a fool to put in an order? If you could only see the face-splitting smile this XPS induces every time I see XP Pro come up on the screen...and then the FPS numbers, the crispness of the graphics, etc. This is a solid, AWESOME system. You will be pleased too, no doubt.Trust me, if I thought it was garbage, you'd be seeing that too in a post, and quickly---as a warning to others......that isn't happening here! :)Let me know what you ended up buying, because we all learn from other's purchases and then their experiences with the new system. If you want, I will give you a totally detailed print of my system, so you can see what is working.Take care,Cheers!Mitch R.

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So how do you verify that Hyper Threading is on or off?! I built a new machine this summer with a 3.2 800FSB & Hyper Threading. I have never made any adjustment to activate or deactivate hyper threading.

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Hi Mitchi am very happy for you and i hope you do enjoy it :-)its strange, on what small things we can have satisfaction, i started with the first simulator on good old Commodore 128, i think it was cold Acrojet (JamesBond plane) :-)Now we have almost everything but what will be in 10-20 Years? we will see!Its just nice to see how the simming is staying in the middle for some persons here, me too.... i have almost every dream reached in my life, i am a Pilot (just PPL but a Pilot :-)), i have a great job, i have a Z06 Corvette, i have almost everything what a man can dream off....i have i have i have i have........But there is always a big enjoyment when i can sit in front of my PC and having a nice flight! calling my beloved girlfriend to show her my newest plane, panel, scenery and she understands fully what this "hobby" means to me :-)life is just great!I hope for everyone just the best.....Man, today i am really sensitiv :-)GreetsMcDaniel

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It will be a BIOS setup mask. Just enter your BIOS and activate the HYPER THREADING (if your BIOS does in fact support that feature).Mitch R.

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I have almost the exact same system with the exception of the hard drives. I'm not familiar with the omega drivers. Are these different from the catalyst drivers from ATI. And if so what kind of performance did you have with the catalyst drivers. I can't have everything maxed out without killing framerates. I typically fly out of simflyers and FlyTampa's airports with payware aircraft and I'm happy with 12FPS but have to pull some of the sliders back to get that. I also run ultimate traffic at 100%.

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Yeah..it's not what you have out in the garage or den, but what you have on the COMPUTER DESK! Only spoken by a Flight Sim-Head.Life is grand, ain't it? LOLOLOLIt's good to have a sense of humor, too! ;)Cheers!Mitch R.

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I was most happy with the Dell-Tweaked Cat's that are on their website for download, but the latest OMEGA's (by reading the release notes) have been enhanced for those running 256 meg ATI cards. Until these drivers, the full use of the 256 megs onboard were not being realised.I don't run U.T., but have my system STUFFED with Project A.I.I have just uploaded a few screen-shots with the FPS counter clearly on. On the ground is where the rubber meets the road in a flight sim. I am getting great numbers landing, at taxi, and viewing the traffic at the airports. On my old system (Celeron 1.4) I could only maintain a steady 12-17 whilst on the ground. When I take off and at about 2,000 feet, this system now pop up to the eighties and climbs from there. It is quite amazing. I will upload flight shots that support my claims for this XPS.Cheers!Mitch R.

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