July 18, 201312 yr Make sure you take her off of Autothrottle, and watch the PAPI lights. I never fly a final with A/T, I feel like a handicapped, except for CATIII Autolands or if I have forgotten to take it off B) . I was planning for a tail strike on touchdown though to see if it burns realisticly. Edited July 18, 201312 yr by http404 Ahmed Abdessalam "That which means you can't, doesn't mean you ain't. And that which means you ain't, doesn't mean you can't" -Ahmed Abdessalam
July 18, 201312 yr Will probably just have a blast around Edwards AFB to get a feel for the girl and then do a 'revenue' flight with one of my VAs. Karl Brooker
July 18, 201312 yr I never fly a final with A/T, I feel like a handicapped, except for CATIII Autolands or if I have forgotten to take it off B) . I was planning for a tail strike on touchdown though to see if it burns realisticly. Leaving the AT engaged throughout would actually be a more realistic operation. Airlines like Emirates aren't allowed to unless a non-normal occurs or something. They're not allowed to hand fly above 10,000ft either!! My mate said he loves taking it manual to 9,950ft and watching the Captain sweating and waiting to throw the rule book at him LOL. - Luke Pabari
July 18, 201312 yr Commercial Member They're not allowed to hand fly above 10,000ft either!! My mate said he loves taking it manual to 9,950ft and watching the Captain sweating and waiting to throw the rule book at him LOL. There's something oddly depressing about that... Kyle Rodgers
July 18, 201312 yr There's something oddly depressing about that... That's true. You will get a strong message from your chief pilot if you fly manually past 10,000 feet. They do not compromise safety at Emirates, and with minimum seperation conditions at rush hours, you better let the autopilot do most of the work for you. It's just lame flying a 737 all the way down to the threshold with A/T engaged, though Ahmed Abdessalam "That which means you can't, doesn't mean you ain't. And that which means you ain't, doesn't mean you can't" -Ahmed Abdessalam
July 18, 201312 yr Commercial Member They do not compromise safety at Emirates, and with minimum seperation conditions at rush hours, you better let the autopilot do most of the work for you. What?!? Autopilot on for "safety concerns?" Are you serious? How are they justifying that? With minimum separation, the pilot is better off in control of the plane, as he or she would be slower to react to any pressing circumstance by having to kick off AP/AT and then assume control. Too often, crews rely on the autopilot to get them out of situations and it ends up making the situation worse. Additionally, minimum separation isn't really the issue in the 10,000'+ flight regime. It's on approach (where the AP is not required by Emirates) where you're at min sep. Kyle Rodgers
July 18, 201312 yr What?!? Autopilot on for "safety concerns?" Are you serious? How are they justifying that? With minimum separation, the pilot is better off in control of the plane, as he or she would be slower to react to any pressing circumstance by having to kick off AP/AT and then assume control. Too often, crews rely on the autopilot to get them out of situations and it ends up making the situation worse. Additionally, minimum separation isn't really the issue in the 10,000'+ flight regime. It's on approach (where the AP is not required by Emirates) where you're at min sep. I was refering to the use of A/T on approach and all the way down, not at 10, 000+. The general rules for arrivals in particular are strict here at OMDB with a bottle neck hapening three times aday, and a mandatory 160kts till 4nm to touch down, unless advised by ATC. Ahmed Abdessalam "That which means you can't, doesn't mean you ain't. And that which means you ain't, doesn't mean you can't" -Ahmed Abdessalam
July 18, 201312 yr Leaving the AT engaged throughout would actually be a more realistic operation. Airlines like Emirates aren't allowed to unless a non-normal occurs or something. They're not allowed to hand fly above 10,000ft either!! My mate said he loves taking it manual to 9,950ft and watching the Captain sweating and waiting to throw the rule book at him LOL. What? But RVSM doesn't kick in till FL290... :( Sounds like a poorly thought out rule to me, lacks an awful lot of hindsight... :rolleyes: Regards, Ró. Rónán O Cadhain.
July 18, 201312 yr Commercial Member I was refering to the use of A/T on approach and all the way down, not at 10, 000+. The general rules for arrivals in particular are strict here at OMDB with a bottle neck hapening three times aday, and a mandatory 160kts till 4nm to touch down, unless advised by ATC. Got it. Still, over here, we'd probably put OMDB to shame with a quick look at the NY Area, in terms of traffic load throughout the day, and you don't see many airlines forcing AT on people (in fact, I think SWA prohibited it throughout the entire flight regime.) It just doesn't seem like it would really accomplish its intended goal. Sounds like a poorly thought out rule to me, lacks an awful lot of hindsight... Agreed. Kyle Rodgers
July 18, 201312 yr and a mandatory 160kts till 4nm to touch down, unless advised by ATC. That's actually not too uncommon - lots of airports have that profile. It's what I use generally on the ILS/RNAV whichever approach I'm doing. What? But RVSM doesn't kick in till FL290... :( Sounds like a poorly thought out rule to me, lacks an awful lot of hindsight... :rolleyes: Yeah unfortunately. I think it adds to the reason of him looking to return to short haul in the UK. - Luke Pabari
July 18, 201312 yr You don't see many airlines forcing AT on people (in fact, I think SWA prohibited it throughout the entire flight regime.) Yes, I seem to remember hearing about that, if I had to chose between no AT or all AT, I'd certainly go with none, it's a pain alright in the cruise with a u/s AT, but certainly I can't imagine flying an approach without the thrust levers in my hands, far safer and keeps you much more in the loop. Regards, Ró. No, you've gotten mixed up there, I'm Rónán, you're Luke... :wink: :LMAO: Regards, Ró. Rónán O Cadhain.
July 18, 201312 yr No, you've gotten mixed up there, I'm Rónán, you're Luke... :wink: :LMAO: That'll be Mr. iPad :lol: - Luke Pabari
July 19, 201312 yr I also prefer manual flight, autopilot gets turned on at 18,000 for departures and I turn it off around 5,000 feet for arrivals. AT is turned off for approaches. Alex Jevdic KORD/KHOT/KPWKA<380 love at first flight
July 23, 201312 yr I'll only fly real routes! I have a large list of real routes flown by the T7. (50+ routes or something like that) Here is some examples: LFPG - KLAX (Air France) EHAM - RJBB (KLM) EKCH - WSSS (Singapore Airlines) EDDF - RJAA (ANA) EDDF - KMEM (FedEx) EDDF - KIAD (United Airlines) and many more.
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