123kts at 300ft in case it is confirmed is a stall speed for 772. Should not happen with FBW stall protection. Looks like a malfunction of some kind or a terrible lack of flying skills of the PF.

And to add to that, Flight Aware seems to extrapolate between updates, so takes a bit of a guess as to where it thinks the plane is based on where it was and what was happening. All in all, not something to base too much on.

Gets me  when some thing  tragic like  this has  happened  the experts  come out  what caused  the crash  and who's  fault  its  is,  why  don't  you just  post your  findings  to the ntsb  crew  and  save  them time  in investigating  the crash, which will probably take more  time  then you have

My money's on a fuel problem.

 

This accident bears an uncanny resemblance to the Heathrow one - same plane, apparently no forewarning, similar too low final approach ending in a belly flop just inside the airfield perimeter. 

John, the CEO has confirmed the engines where operating, passengers reported a last minute spool up (likely the crew trying to go missed too late)

 

Also one of the engines is pretty far ahead of the jet, this can happen when the engine is providing thrust whilst it separates.

 

Anyway, as Peter says above, absolutely no point speculating & please, no FSX video/screenshot analysis using the captain sim 777 or any other FS addon out there.

 

777 doesn't have alpha floor, just a basic 'wake up' mode for the Auto Throttle.  Guys, I wouldn't be too trusting of the data you see on flightaware, not to mention you are reading ground speed not airspeed

 

 

 

 

Correct: It's called 'stall protection' instead. ;-)

 

"Pitch Envelope Protection

The pitch envelope protection functions include:

• stall protection

(...)

 

Stall Protection

Stall protection reduces the likelihood of inadvertently exceeding the stall angle

of attack by providing enhanced crew awareness of the approach to a stall or to a

stalled condition.

Stall protection limits the speed to which the airplane can be trimmed. At

approximately the minimum maneuvering speed, stall protection limits the trim

reference speed so that trim is inhibited in the nose up direction. The pilot must

apply continuous aft column force to maintain airspeed below the minimum

maneuvering speed. Use of the alternate pitch trim levers does not reduce the

column forces. When flying near stall speed, the column force increases to a

higher level than would occur for an equivalent out–of–trim condition above the

minimum maneuvering speed.

The autothrottle can support stall protection if armed and not engaged. If speed

decreases to near stick shaker activation, the autothrottle engages in the

appropriate mode (SPD or THR REF) and advances thrust to maintain minimum

maneuvering speed (approximately the top of the amber band) or the speed set in

the mode control panel speed window, whichever is greater. The EICAS message

AIRSPEED LOW is displayed."

A CNN animation of the presumed accident sequence is now available. 

 

Spartan, I do not think such a specific analysis is valid considering how imprecise your data sources could be. And wouldn't there have been a speed brakes warning at such low altitudes?

2 female Chinese students died, it's unclear if they were killed by impact or by fire, but it's a shame some passengers carried out their luggage, others took a photos with their iphones, while several people were trapped in flame, maybe unconscious and unable to get out on their feet.

Sadly it seems the two students where ejected from the rear of the aircraft and found on the runway.

2 female Chinese students died, it's unclear if they were killed by impact or by fire,

 

Since they were ejected and because it happened so fast, they probably didn't even know what hit them and didn't feel a thing (you hope).

 

 

I remember reading a book written by Malcolm Gladwell called Outliers that examined how people succeed in different areas of life, but one of the topics he discussed was the culture in Korea, and how the respect for the Commander would result in the FO not challenging him, even when he was doing something obviously wrong. This contrubuted to a number or accidents in KAL, namely the crash in Guam and the Cargo Crash in Stanstead of the 747, as well as a number of other incidents. This may well have been a major contributing factor to this accident, but that's only speculation at this stage.

 

 

This is true. In Korea, if the guy is your "senior" -aka, older than you- you're not supposed to question him in theory. It's hard for westerners to understand, but Koreans are really obsessed with age.

 

 

it's a shame some passengers carried out their luggage, others took a photos with their iphones, while several people were trapped in flame, maybe unconscious and unable to get out on their feet.

 

 

Didn't the fire start after everyone was out?

 

The carry on luggage thing is pretty bad as it no doubt ate up valuable evacuation time (what if the fire started earlier and you're stuck in the back because Mrs. Kim can't leave the plane without her 20 packets of Shin Ramyun that she packs with her on vacation...), but it should really come as no surprise. People don't think and do dumb things all the time.

FDR & CVR have been recovered and sent to NTSB lab in Washington. hopefully we will hear some news soon

 

https://twitter.com/NTSB/status/353894250716471296

https://twitter.com/NTSB/status/353891249230585856/photo/1

I just took this picture about 3 hours ago. The scene is unreal. My heart goes out to all the victims

 

Here's a closeup I took a bit later, tail section detail. The entire interior of the aircraft looks like hell

 

FlightAware isn't going to be calibrated data that will be cited with confidence in a mishap investigation, but I'm sure it's in the ballpark (+/-10%) and the trends it shows are probably accurate even if the exact values are not.

What is interesting is that the final entry at FlightAware cites 95 kias with a +120fps rate of ascent...

Finally found a picture that shows the entire scope of the crash... Everything I've see up till now was up close.