There is no doubt, at least for me, that the future in terms of flight simulation (non military) lays in X-Plane10. The upcoming p3dv2 is still unknown in terms of what it will really offer, apart from the DX11 support, which of course is very good news, but I fear they'll divert more and more towards the professional market...

 

And yes, the words Robert spoke in his keynote address pretty much support the idea that there is strong hope in the future of this platform - X-Plane!

 

Is it perfect, or even ultra-realistic as advertised? Nonsense - it isn't!  

 

But... does it have a chance of getting better and better under the continuous support of the talented LR Team, and the various 3pds progressively joining it, plus those that have long been developing excellent add-ons for it?

 

It certainly has! That's why I believe in X-Plane10, and, much more important, PMDG believes too :-)

 

 

+1 without a doubt and is exactly why I think xplane is the future.

 

Wycliffe

I wouldn't be to sure there. Keep in mind that most simmers would have to start from 0 regarding addons in X-Plane. It's the same with FS9. There are even almost no new addons produced and people still do not want to switch over to FSX simply because they have so many other addons for this sim.

I for example have invested thousands of €s in FSX addons and I could use mabe 10% of them in X-Plane. So I simply wouldn't switch over because I would have to buy almost everything again which I payed for for FSX already.

 

Exactly,

I have installed XPlane10 on an iMac 27 inch and it is still a joke compared to FSX with all its add-ons.

 

Why would i take the risk in investing everything all over again only to find out that MS or some unexpected other entity announces their release of the real successor to FSX in a few years time.

 

(and i am not talking about Flight II, "The age of shooting the killer balloons")

 

Miracles can happen once in a while you know.

Why would i take the risk in investing everything all over again only to find out that MS or some unexpected other entity announces their release of the real successor to FSX in a few years time.

 

Why would PMDG?

 

But Antoine, I'm with you regarding how sometimes X-Plane10 can look / feel so naked compared to a heavy metal install of FSX... But... just give it some time, and, the more it get's supported, the more the chances are we can get it better even faster...

 

Now, back to the OP, what aircraft do you think could be the entry product of PMDG in the X-Plane10 world? As you put so well - "Miracles can happen once in a while"

Why would PMDG?

 

But Antoine, I'm with you regarding how sometimes X-Plane10 can look / feel so naked compared to a heavy metal install of FSX... But... just give it some time, and, the more it get's supported, the more the chances are we can get it better even faster...

 

Now, back to the OP, what aircraft do you think will be the entry product of PMDG in the X-Plane10 world? As you put so well - "Miracles can happen once in a while"

 

Re the OP: It'll be the NGX737 i think

 

I somehow have this feeling that PMDG have created their own sandbox or shell of a mini platfom being able to overcome ridiculous FSX limitations. With that, one could speculate that a transfer to another platform altogether like XP10 would be easier perhaps but i have no idea . Shortly before releasing the NGX they said that the 777 would follow shortly because of this new revamp of their method of producing aircraft. That's 2 years ago now.

 

As for your XP10 supportive attitude:

Granted, for all we know this will be the true succesor to FSX in disguise. I must confess i have not given it much attention due to bad first impressions. Reason why i have it on its own test enviroment and not in the fully geared Windows gaming computer. I wouldn't even know if it'll be safe to install it aside FSX on this system. I simply do not want to take the risk of potential conflicts it may cause especially when FSX is so vulnarable and easily upset and confused.

That would be the Boeing 977, due about 2023 :lol:

 

 

That would be the Boeing 977, due about 2023

 

The 377 will be taken by A2A, so, why not a 977 :-)

Why would i take the risk in investing everything all over again only to find out that MS or some unexpected other entity announces their release of the real successor to FSX in a few years time.

You're not risking anything, you can keep on using FSX and all your addons for as long as you want. I'm using both, and as addons become available for X-Plane, I'll start migrating over. Eventually, using FSX less and less. Besides that, what's to say any successor to FSX or P3D will continue to run all of those addons. We know very little about P3D 2.0 for example, but PMDG have made it clear they aren't going to develop for that platform.

 

Back to topic, I think PMDG will release one of their older products like the 747. There are now some seriously good planes in the pipeline for X-Plane, and not to mention the freeware 737 with virtual cockpit which will probably be available long before PMDG release anything (including their 777 on FSX ;-) )

what's to say any successor to FSX or P3D will continue to run all of those addons.

 

True. it's like betting on a horse and the developers will only jump in when it'll be interesting enough saleswise. you cannot blame them. 

 

So, let's start with the NGX then for XPX, I'll give it a try.

Joking aside, directly PMDG release an aircraft for XPX I'll switch....In a heartbeat.

.........but PMDG have made it clear they aren't going to develop for that platform.

 

 

Yes, this is the central point! PMDG clearly said will not dvelop for P3D due to EULA limitation.

 

So if PMDG want to continue to sell on the market has two choices:

 

1) develop only for FSX with the risk to remain in a cluster market, and maybe hoping people install either on p3d, without support, and consequently with possible incompatibilities and issues.

 

2) develop for FSX and XPX simoulteously, the best choice

 

Seriously aren't you curious to try a PMDG on XPX? I can't wait!

Seriously aren't you curious to try a PMDG on XPX? I can't wait!

oh yah! :Drooling:   64bit, HDR, Full Plane modeled, etc. etc. :Party:

 

 

Back to topic, I think PMDG will release one of their older products like the 747. There are now some seriously good planes in the pipeline for X-Plane, and not to mention the freeware 737 with virtual cockpit which will probably be available long before PMDG release anything (including their 777 on FSX ;-) )

 

I don't think so. Working on the original QoS when the 747 v2 is coming would be counterproductive. They would be much better off porting current PAAF (PMDG Awesome Airplane Framework) ® to XPX, as that would enable re-using the gained experience on complete current product line.

 

MD-11 would be nice, but since some key members of its development team left PMDG, I consider it unlikely. Also, it was a disappointment commercially, there is very little reason to think it would be better in XPL.

 

JS-41 would be interesting, but as far as I can tell, this project is closed as well.

 

My money is on DC-6, as that is a new development that probably started after the decision to release an X-Plane addon was made, which makes it a prime opportunity to research methods for creating a portable framework. At the same time it is not a flagship line product, and as such would not create too big a problem if some problems were discovered along the way, and a part of it had to be scrapped or it had to be delayed.

Pure speculation here, but I would not be surprised if the lack of recent mentions of the DC-6 meant it was delayed for this exact reason.

 

 

For the 737/747/777, I would say it is unlikely (though not highly unlikely). These are the flagship products that are also more complex and commercially more important, such as it would be worse if some unexpected problems and delays surfaced (although I am sure they are already working in stuff to help them port those in future)

Ricardo, if you take note of what I wrote I was very clear about which aircraft I was talking about and the status of the VC. The VC is being developed EADT have stated it will remain freeware along with the full aircraft which is the x737

 

Wycliffe

 

Captain

 

Have you listened to Robert Randazzo's keynote address when he discusses Laminar and the work his team are involved in with them. You should give it a listen. Some of his comments around the thinking behind Microsofts failed Flight experiment are enlightening.

Wycliffe

I know they are making Xplane stuff but they are still a while off. A mini XpX vs Fsx debate sparked up in june and Rob HIMSELF made a statement. eventually all PMDG products will migrate but for now that and their first product is still way off. The addons in Xplane are too poor for me to consider getting XpX except for the FLY Jsim 727... That is fantastic

what you smoking? :lol:    Are you serious?

I am . Only a few payware in Xplane compared to fsx at the moment and most of them are terrible though the devs are trying and getting better. The fact remains that the quality there is pretty much on an fs9 level but we should soon see progress; alot should be coming up with Xplane 11. In the mean time the only addon that is all-round perfect in Xplane is FlyJsim 727: simply amazing

They really need to think about allowing the turning of knobs using the mousewheel, the current system is incredibly poor, and is a major reason why I don't bother trying to do IFR or tubeliner flights in X-Plane. I have the CRJ-200, but don't use it anymore because of this, and I certainly won't be buying any PMDG product until LR add this well-requested simple feature into the simulator, instead of thinking they know best (They could do it as a preference, in case somebody actually prefers their way).

 

It's incredibly silly method, and it takes so long to turn a knob, e.g. to tune a frequency, that I have to pause the sim to do. So unrealistic, and completely takes away the realism. I couldn't imagine doing this in an X-Plane version of 737NGX, it would drive me round the bend :-)

 

 

FLY Jsim 727... That is fantastic

n the mean time the only addon that is all-round perfect in Xplane is FlyJsim 727: simply amazing

IMO the best addon for Xplane yet is the FlyJsim 727. The rest is well... Crap

 

Do they pay you for advertisment or what?

 

The FlyJSim is sub-par in every aspect other than maybe VC graphics.

The dynamics are not right, the systems are incomplete and don't even get me started on that idiotic only-paid-repaints-made-by-us system....