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Thinking about the B777 or A320....

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Both aircraft are very different with different missions and almost beyond comparison in the RW... but I'm thinking of getting some "heavy metal" for my XPX/ 64 bit sim... both appear to excellent and well done simulations of these 2 amazing a/c, can anyone advise (preferably who have both products) regarding which might be a good introduction into payware heavy metal?

 

In FSX I fly PMDG, RealAir and Milviz stuff almost exclusively, as I like good simulations.....

 

Thanks, Bruce.

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I would recommend the Ramzzess 777-200LR, I have both so I know there strengths and weakness's, The 777-200LR has a more complete FMC (Fully) The Airbus A320NEO is also a great buy but there is just something about it that I don't like as much.

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And I couldn't disagree more, haha with all do respect..... It's in the Geneva convention (anchor man) I also own both and absolutely love the A320 and the 777-200LR both are amazing aircraft and you can't go wrong with either.

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I have both. However the 777 is the bird to get. I really like the 320 but it just doesn't feel right. I am having some irritating issues with it that I just don't have with the 777.

 

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I have and enjoy both. To my mind the 777 is currently more 'stable' at the moment, and is arguably the more 'complete' of the two. That said, JARDesign are very pro-active and appear to be updating at a steady rate. JARDesign group do listen to the community and I believe their openness to questions and criticism will eventually deliver a very complete aircraft (JARDesign himself noted in the Org forums that the reason he chose to model the A320 was because he wanted a realistic and complete A320).

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Thanks for the info and opinions.... I think I see a B777 in my future... :)

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Thanks for the info and opinions.... I think I see a B777 in my future... :)

Just so you're not surprised, since it looks like you go for realism, there are a couple of items on the 777 cockpit, that are not prototypical. One is a toga button on the MCP.  Obviously a compromise for a simulation. PMDG does this with hidden click spots. The other is that the EFB visually is not prototypical. These may or may not bother you, just to make you aware, if you weren't already.

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The other is that the EFB visually is not prototypical. These may or may not bother you, just to make you aware, if you weren't already.

 

Thanks for the HU....  I assume the EFB is somewhat functional though, if not visually accurate...  ?

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Thanks for the HU....  I assume the EFB is somewhat functional though, if not visually accurate...  ?

yes it shows Airport Charts

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The WL 777 is still a bit buggy for my liking...

 

Just came from an LEMD - LPPT flight.I used the new NOAA GFS weather injector plugin and can confirm it is great BUT!!!! while wind transitions are smooth, beware that you'll have clouds pop in pop out just like in FSX, from time to time :-/  Then, there is yet another little annoying problem - this injector can inject good turb data, and sometimes X-Plane 10 interprets that turbulence at higher levels than it should IMHO - poor 777 wings....

 

Then VNAV is still full of bugs in the WL 777 - sorry, there is simply nothing coming closer to what PMDG ( and others ) offer for FSX in X-Plane 10 !!!!  I had everything correctly programmed and as usual my 777 forgot to initiate it's descent at TOD... duh... 

 

There were also other bugs, during climb... 

 

Peter's A380 is very good in terms of FBW and even following a flightplan with altitude constraints, but it has a very rough interface far from what the typical Airbus FMGS is and some good add-ons for FSX model...

 

So, for those that say they still feel better in FSX / P3D, if this type of flying is what they're up to, I have to agree and accept their point... :-/  and hope that X-Plane 10 and it's best addons get better with time... I will patiently wait :-)

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I bought XP last week and part of the reason I did was because of how amazing the 777 addon looked (amongst other reasons of course). The hype has matched the reality and I am very pleased with my purchase! To think that a couple of guys have almost matched what PMDG take half a decade to make in a year or so is amazing. Very talented.

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The WL 777 is still a bit buggy for my liking...

 

 

Then VNAV is still full of bugs in the WL 777 - sorry, there is simply nothing coming closer to what PMDG ( and others ) offer for FSX in X-Plane 10 !!!!  I had everything correctly programmed and as usual my 777 forgot to initiate it's descent at TOD... duh... 

 

since day 1, I never had a problem with VNAV :blink:  :Thinking:   have you installed it correctly?

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I have both the A320 and the Boeing 777. Although, I am loving the A320 alot more than the triple 7 right now, I would say go for the triple 777 first as it seems more completed and just overall better than the A320. But saying that the a320 is geting updates at a steady rate and soon will be ,likely, my favourite plane but saying that the 757 will be out soon.

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have you installed it correctly?

 

Yep!

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Thanks for all the helpful feedback.... will give the B777 a go, this will be my first complex aircraft for XP.

 

I must go find an existing thread here with info on all the goodies to get for XPX/64, I only have the stock XPX scenery, etc. Any recommendations for stuff to get? Or any suggestions of a good thread to go look at?

 

Thanks, Bruce.

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I have both the 777 and the JAR A320. They're both excellent add-ons and both have come a long way with updates they've received since v1.0.

 

I do agree that the 777 is the more 'complete' aircraft of the 2 although JAR have recently released v1.5 beta of the A320 which I'll test tonight as it includes numerous improvements to the flight model and some extras like terrain radar and load manager. I think they've done a great job on the systems with the A320 particularly the managed CLB and DES modes, constraints (at the moment it doesn't seem to do speed constraints so I always have to manually select the speed on the FCU if there is one) but the flight model has always felt a bit odd and it seems to have trouble maintaining CRZ or selected altitude during turns.

 

If you do get the 777 make sure to get the Extended version if you can as it also includes the -300ER and cargo variants.

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The WL 777 is still a bit buggy for my liking...

 

Just came from an LEMD - LPPT flight.I used the new NOAA GFS weather injector plugin and can confirm it is great BUT!!!! while wind transitions are smooth, beware that you'll have clouds pop in pop out just like in FSX, from time to time :-/  Then, there is yet another little annoying problem - this injector can inject good turb data, and sometimes X-Plane 10 interprets that turbulence at higher levels than it should IMHO - poor 777 wings....

 

Then VNAV is still full of bugs in the WL 777 - sorry, there is simply nothing coming closer to what PMDG ( and others ) offer for FSX in X-Plane 10 !!!!  I had everything correctly programmed and as usual my 777 forgot to initiate it's descent at TOD... duh... 

 

There were also other bugs, during climb... 

 

Peter's A380 is very good in terms of FBW and even following a flightplan with altitude constraints, but it has a very rough interface far from what the typical Airbus FMGS is and some good add-ons for FSX model...

 

So, for those that say they still feel better in FSX / P3D, if this type of flying is what they're up to, I have to agree and accept their point... :-/  and hope that X-Plane 10 and it's best addons get better with time... I will patiently wait :-)

 

agreed

 

I bought XP last week and part of the reason I did was because of how amazing the 777 addon looked (amongst other reasons of course). The hype has matched the reality and I am very pleased with my purchase! To think that a couple of guys have almost matched what PMDG take half a decade to make in a year or so is amazing. Very talented.

 

 

Uggg.    It's not remotely close to what PMDG makes.  The reason PMDG,FSlabs,ixeg, majestic and other high end companies take a long time to finish a product is the DEPTH and accuracy of the product.The R+P 777 does not have depth or accuracy in many areas so they are able to create a product much faster.

since day 1, I never had a problem with VNAV :blink:  :Thinking:   have you installed it correctly?

 

 

jcomm probably expects the vnav to work as published in the boeing manuals.   Vnav and many other functions do not work properly in my 777 either.  I had this same problem when trying to explain to people how  assumed temp is broken and how the EEC does not work as it should.   they see the N1 number move don't a point when they peg the assumed temp at 60c  and say " see it works"  ( btw if it was modeled correctly valid input would be 0-99c)  and if it was modeled correctly you could override it by pressing the throttle levers all the way forward.   In the R+P 777 you can never override it.    I had one flight where one engine failed and it STILL would not override my derate.

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jcomm probably expects the vnav to work as published in the boeing manuals.  

 

More or less that mike, I'd say I expect something at least as accurate as Aerowinx PS1, and PSX will make it even harder to achieve :-)  PMDG stuff is what comes closer to the level of detail Aerowinx PS1 provided when it was released in 1997, and later updated to it's final version around 1999. Whow! that is QUALITY / ACCURACY / ....

 

Of course I can accept simplifications, if not for other reasons simply because I can't even tell the differences between most of the details of the simulator vs real thing, but when it comes to even basic aspects, like those you mention, it's a show killer to me :-/

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Please do not forget about Peter's Aircraft. I often fly his A320. It does not have a 3d panel, the FCDU is far from complete. But it has something that makes me return to it even after every JAR update.

 

I think it's the flight dynamics, autopilot precision and fly by wire simulation. If you dig into the manual you will see that you can do many things to the waypoints. It let's you fly SID's and STAR's and even non precision approaches. Not as easy as other products who load them from a nav database, but you can key all necessary data in and watch the best A320 simulation doing the "push button" job. The autoland is great.

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Please do not forget about Peter's Aircraft. I often fly his A320. It does not have a 3d panel, the FCDU is far from complete. But it has something that makes me return to it even after every JAR update.

 

I think it's the flight dynamics, autopilot precision and fly by wire simulation. If you dig into the manual you will see that you can do many things to the waypoints. It let's you fly SID's and STAR's and even non precision approaches. Not as easy as other products who load them from a nav database, but you can key all necessary data in and watch the best A320 simulation doing the "push button" job. The autoland is great.

 

 

+1  I fully agree!!!! I'd say the best FBW, and autoflight ( including autoland under extreme weather conditions ) I have seen in any simulator!

I only have the A380, and I am waiting for a more stable X-plane 10 before investin in the 320/21s by Peter.

 

I actually pointed it out on post #11 above :-)

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