Eaglesoft on Windows 8 Flight Simulator X Thread

[N400QW 205]

Our thanks Hans.

Folks, this proves that Win8 is better without Windows Defender for FSX and as has been pointed in previous threads here at AVsim neither is Windows Problem Reporting which should be turned off in Control Panel/All Control Panel Items/Action Center/Problem Reporting Settings/Never check for solutions.

Here's hoping that Win8 users find this helpful. :rolleyes:

[beicholz 0]

Maybe I have a newer version (or older) of W8. There is no such path: Control Panel/All Control Panel Items/Action Center/Problem Reporting Settings/Never check for solutions.

 

Also, my Windows Defender when I can find it says it's off completely.

 

I will try the suggestions above tonight.

 

If the statement, "your post is in error" was meant for me, sorry it's not in error. I have a vanilla brand new W8 computer, very high end, and it only has one installed program on it: FSX. FSX works great until I try to use the Cirrus.

 

All I know is it doesn't work, and being a pretty darn technical guy, there's something going on here that does not meet the eye. Hope I can figure it out tonight.

[N400QW 205]

Eaglesoft kills FSX completely. It won't even boot. It's worst if Cirrus is the default flight. If Cirrus is selected AFTER FSX boot-up, at least it works (sort of).

That post is the one in error. Eaglesoft doesn't kill anything.

 

This thread contains much on Win8 usage so good luck: http://forum.avsim.net/topic/396505-fsx

As does this post:

 

Just a note, if I may: Microsoft Security Essentials replaces Windows Defender as the security app for W7 and I would assume this is true in Windows 8.

 

In case Defender is not disabled - go into Services and disable it manually. To find Services in Windows 8 go here.

 

From the Microsoft Community:

 

Q: Is Microsoft Security Essentials designed to replace Windows Defender?

A: No but if you are running Microsoft Security Essentials, you do not need to run Windows Defender. Microsoft Security Essentials is designed to disable Windows Defender in order to manage the PC’s real-time protection, including anti-virus, rootkits, Trojans and spyware.

 

Q: Does installing Microsoft Security Essentials disable Windows Defender

A: Microsoft Security Essentials should disable Windows Defender on Vista and Windows 7 and uninstall it from XP. In some cases, this does not happen automatically.

Q: What happens if I do not disable or uninstall Windows Defender if I am using Microsoft Security Essentials?

A: If Microsoft Security Essentials and Windows Defender are both running, your system may experience performance degradation and other problems caused by the conflict of two services providing real time protection simultaneously.

[beicholz 0]

Well, this story ended for me today. My Lenovo Erazer died...bad motherboard. So I get to start over and will NOT purchase Windows 8. In fact, after wasting a whole weekend on this, I think I'll buy a pre-built system from someone who knows what they are doing.

 

Any recommendations on Sim package builders? Will any of them bundle Eaglesoft Cirrus, pre-tested, ready to go, no hassles?

[N400QW 205]

 

 

Will any of them bundle Eaglesoft Cirrus, pre-tested, ready to go, no hassles?

We know of no bundlers but can say the Cirrus works out of the box on Win7 and I think we've covered Win8... B)

[btwilks 7]

Well, this story ended for me today. My Lenovo Erazer died...bad motherboard. So I get to start over and will NOT purchase Windows 8. In fact, after wasting a whole weekend on this, I think I'll buy a pre-built system from someone who knows what they are doing. Any recommendations on Sim package builders? Will any of them bundle Eaglesoft Cirrus, pre-tested, ready to go, no hassles?

 

I've been thinking of upgrading my system for a while now and, in the course of my searches for recommendations, I've come across several references to this company. They specialise in 'gaming' machines and seem a far better prospect that something like an off-the-shelf Dell package. No idea on whether they'd pre-bundle FSX and/or a specific aircraft; but if you go for a Windows 7 system then, as Ron mentioned above, it's unlikely you'd have any problems - and, in fact, it now seems that with the correct user settings Windows 8 shouldn't be a problem either*.

 

Anyway, the link to the company is

 

http://www.digitalstormonline.com/

 

Hope this is of interest to you.

 

Regards,

 

Brian

 

[* although I keep hearing horror stories of controllers suddenly not being recognised on Windows 8 systems - the use of the paid-for version of FSUIPC is a recommended fix for this but I'm not entirely convinced that it works for everyone.]

[mganz121 159]

Interesting thread ............ interesting comments from the developer.

[timest 472]

Well, this story ended for me today. My Lenovo Erazer died...bad motherboard. So I get to start over and will NOT purchase Windows 8. In fact, after wasting a whole weekend on this, I think I'll buy a pre-built system from someone who knows what they are doing. Any recommendations on Sim package builders? Will any of them bundle Eaglesoft Cirrus, pre-tested, ready to go, no hassles?

Absolutely: http://www.jetlinesystems.com/

[N400QW 205]

Interesting thread ............ interesting comments from the developer.

Trying to set the record straight when it comes to our products and their support with an OS that is not available on any of our development machines. B)

Absolutely: http://www.jetlinesystems.com/

Couldn't help noticing they all come with Win7 64 Bit.... B)

[N2056 33]

Interesting dilemma. After you release a product that is good with the sim based on OS "A", should you be expected to update it regularly as the OS works it's way to "C" and beyond? Even when the author of that sim is certainly not doing same? At what point in the progression do you decide it's beyond being worth the effort, and when should it be reasonable to think the consumer ought to be able to figure it out on their own without having to spell it out?

 

I realize there is no easy answer, and I have none. I only raise the question to see what others think about the subject of "forward compatibility" in general, and not necessarily regarding Eaglesoft.

[Avantime 81]

Interesting dilemma. After you release a product that is good with the sim based on OS "A", should you be expected to update it regularly as the OS works it's way to "C" and beyond? Even when the author of that sim is certainly not doing same? At what point in the progression do you decide it's beyond being worth the effort, and when should it be reasonable to think the consumer ought to be able to figure it out on their own without having to spell it out?

 

I realize there is no easy answer, and I have none. I only raise the question to see what others think about the subject of "forward compatibility" in general, and not necessarily regarding Eaglesoft.

 

Either run a second computer for work (e.g. Laptop) or dual-boot. To be honest I don't know why people would use Windows 8 on a gaming/Flightsim rig, as Windows 7 (and Windows XP x64) is more than good enough for gaming, web surfing and other miscellaneous tasks. BTW you can get a decent 2nd hand laptop for not much money these days, with Android/Apple tablets being so popular.

 

Right now I consider the "primary" OS for FS9 is Windows XP x64, and for FSX it's Windows 7 x64. Use other OSes, including Windows 8, at your own risk.

[N400QW 205]

 

 

At what point in the progression do you decide it's beyond being worth the effort, and when should it be reasonable to think the consumer ought to be able to figure it out on their own without having to spell it out?

For us at least it was Win8 RTM since MS has been forced by the market to update/change the OS.

In our humble opinion It is not an viable OS for FSX use until users become intimate enough with the changes for security to overcome the intricasies involved.

 

 

Right now I consider the "primary" OS for FS9 is Windows XP x64, and for FSX it's Windows 7 x64. Use other OSes, including Windows 8, at your own risk.

That opinion is echoed by many in the FS community..... B)

[HansRoaming 73]

Although I happily run Windows 8 would agree for FSX its not a consumer level install and go experience like Steam for example.

 

However it's a fast and stable OS and for me the upgrade price point was attractive to from XP 32 and with a career in IT I don't mind getting into the system to fix anything, so it works for me but wouldn't recommend if you're not equally happy rolling up your sleeves with computers.

 

Should have also mentioned in my previous post, error reporting is turned off for FSX.

[beicholz 0]

N2056...Interesting question!

 

Ultimately, to evolve or not evolve with the world is Eaglesoft's choice. But in a world where technology moves fast, a decision to "freeze" development on a platform is, in the long run, a decision to stop innovating and to eventually stop selling. I say that as a person who leads technical innovation in one of the world's largest media companies. I would NEVER freeze development on a platform, lest I go out of business.

 

What has happened to developers who stopped with Apple II+ compatible software? Some survived and some didn't. I don't think anyone would claim that any of those who survived stuck with their Apple II+ platform.

 

Also, does everyone know that Windows XP support STOPS next year? That means if you run on XP, you'll soon be even more vulnerable to viruses and other hazards.

 

Eventually, Eaglesoft will either adapt or die. I am simply a customer who is pointing out that when a technical guy like me spends the better part of a weekend reading tech blogs trying to get someone's software to work, SOMETHING IS WRONG.

 

Eaglesoft has a potentially wonderful product. I hope they evolve it to Windows 8 and beyond. I will close with the final message I got from Eaglesoft support; I do hope they will "see the light" in the long run:

 

"The Cirrus works with Win8 according to users who have FSX SP1/SP2 or Acceleration installed and who follow Win8 instructions as outlined.

Correct, we don’t support those who ignore common sense/knowledge.

 

Best Regards,

Eaglesoft Support Staff"

[N400QW 205]

In our opinion you have jumped to and still hold the absurd assumption that we have somehow frozen tech advancement when nothing could be further from the truth.

Note: We did not build nor did we break or somehow render MS Win8 to be a troublesome OS for use with FSX/Acceleration.

Balmer and Co. have managed to do that on their own quite nicely. Remember Win ME? How about Zune? Microsoft Flight?

 

Eaglesoft was present at MS Aces Studio invitation in the so called "T Shirt meetings" where we built the first FSX ready aircraft for them to show and tell others what could be accomplished on the newest platform.

 

We were with them and supported them through the trials and tribulations of FSX RTM and subsequent SP1/SP2 and Acceleration. We continued up through Aces Studio firing and the discontinuance of FSX as renewable FS Platform. We had conversations which would have led to contracts for the ill fated Microsoft Flight product which many agree was not viable.

 

Eaglesoft has deliberately and without malice chosen to NOT offer support for an OS that requires its users to learn and navigate the the intricasies of its security settings in order to run MS own FS Product well.

In short, such things are NOT our responsibility but rather YOU the user responsibility. Your failure to understand or take responsibility for your own OS settings is NOT something we will do for you.

 

Shall I release the archive of your communications where you claim to be tech savvy from the movie industry but attempt to blame Eaglesoft for your dillemma with your own OS and by your own admission your Lenovo bad motherboard was a proximate cause to many of the issues with your new OS and FS not to mention Eaglesoft Cirrus?

 

We chose an Win8/FSX user and Eaglesoft customer/flyer who happens to be an IT Proffessional to test and confirm our suspicions that your problems stem NOT from Eaglesoft Product or our non support of Win8 but rather your own refusal to accept responsibility for both your Hardware and your OS software settings. 

There is nothing more we can offer than a 30 Day refund option which will make you whole financially.