Sorry,missread your post.

There's less buttons and switches on th 777 than the 737

 

True, but i'm sure you will agree that that PMDG continue to fine-tune their techniques with each release.

So are we all fooled ?, or is this Q400 sim really as real as it gets, and therefore an equally real to life simulation as the boeing certified NGX is ?

 

forget about the FPS. don't case how they do it.

Boeing certified or Boeing Licensed ?(trust me...there's a big difference there...)

 

Turboprop flight dynamics modelling is inherently much more complex (and also much more difficult) than that of a jet aircraft. Jets do not have to deal with torque, p-factor, assymetrical thrust with all engines running (present in props with the propellers spinning the same direction), induced lift (from propwash), triple-shaft engine with fadec (pw150a) etc....

 

 

That's why it's easy to assume that at a code level and fdm level it's more complex than pmdg's offerings. Case in point...i'm sure changing a parameter in the .air file would affect a parameter in the NGX's operation as it still reads its information from the basic msfs fdm system...mjc's q400 will be unaffected as it's basically just a standalone simulation with it's own fdm engine running entirely separate (and on a separate core) from msfs (hence the need for the thread sync options in the config panel)...laymans term, fsx is just the Q400s graphics platform.

 

 

MJC to me has managed to capture perfectly what happens when you couple 10,000shp - with a vertical tail, rudders and yaw damper system designed for an airplane with 4700shp...

 

 

Long story short....yes it's that good..

For all those that criticize the Majestic Dash 8 Q400, for the lack of reactions to FSX turbulence effects (due to the external FDE) ;-

 

.......I thought you may like to see a paragraph from the stunning new PMDG 777's introductory manual :-

 

We recommend that all users click the “Disable turbulence and thermal effects on aircraft” when flying the PMDG 777-200LR/F. While the flight model used by this simulation is extremely realistic, the turbulence model in FSX is unrealistic. The combination results in poor turbulence behavior, so we recommend that users disable the FSX turbulence capability.

 

 

I am of course not criticizing PMDG one bit; they are right! ....... but for those who have damned the Majestic Q400 because it does not respond to FSX turbulance, interesting don't you think ?   :smile:

For those wanting turbulence...

 

Majestic are testing a fix now.

 

 

CURRENT WORK STATUS

You may wonder why the development team seems to be so quiet these days? Don't worry, we never stopped working. We are a very small team and Oleksiy is very busy at this moment working in parallel on the next PILOT update and on the future PRO edition.

PILOT edition: addressing known issues, namely approach mode disconnect and absence of turbulences. Both corrections are now... being tested. Some other bugs will also be corrected. In addition to the FSX turbulence settings, turbulence will also be automatically generated when flying through the clouds, depending on the cloud type and density.

PRO edition: some features already developed, many still to be done. The most challenging one - the shared cockpit is done and actually in beta testing. Very very nice feature, making flying the Q400 a totally new experience. And since sharing a flight with two friends is better than with one, we added a possibility to add an observer into the cockpit. Actually developing: Head-up Guidance System. Finished 3D modeling, working on the display and systems. The PRO edition will also include a configurable direct link to the joystick axis, allowing for 125Hz frequency of controlling the Flight Dynamics (as opposite to 30Hz frequency of the FSX), as well as bypassing the extensive filtering of Flight Controls by the FSX.

As usually, we don't give any time frame for the release.
Dimitri

 

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Majestic-Software-Dash-8-Q400/249628718485404

Good that they are developing their own turbulance algorhythm, that the plane will present when going through turbulent clouds ....... as the FSX representation is so bad it's better to have none IMHO.

 

Hopefully their representation will be as good as the rest of the product.

How good is it? Well let's just say that I was in the 777 first thing this morning and by this afternoon I was back in the Q400. With absolutely no disrespect to PMDG and their excellent work I think I've discovered that the 'flaps-up-VNAV-wake-me-up-in-7-hours' stuff isn't really for me. I love the fact that the Q makes you sing for your supper. I love the crappy VNAV that gets broken if there's a speed limit point. I love no autothrottle, I love having frame rates that the 777 would kill its own grandmother to have and I love the SHORT LEGS. In the time it takes a 777 to get to Dubai I can have done 6 sectors in the Q4. It's a superb aircraft, it really is. 

How good is it? Well let's just say that I was in the 777 first thing this morning and by this afternoon I was back in the Q400. With absolutely no disrespect to PMDG and their excellent work I think I've discovered that the 'flaps-up-VNAV-wake-me-up-in-7-hours' stuff isn't really for me. I love the fact that the Q makes you sing for your supper. I love the crappy VNAV that gets broken if there's a speed limit point. I love no autothrottle, I love having frame rates that the 777 would kill its own grandmother to have and I love the SHORT LEGS. In the time it takes a 777 to get to Dubai I can have done 6 sectors in the Q4. It's a superb aircraft, it really is. 

 

in that case you will like the coolsky dc9 if you haven't already. you will love the lack of autothrottle and the lack of a screen that provides you a 3 dimensional situation awareness like to modern jets do.

 

As for the 777, I had awaited with great expectation to experience this first time feeling of really leaving the ground with take-off like never before. As expected this was not quite what i imagined it to be after the hyperbole that was created in the community. Needless to say that in time i will learn to appreciate the 777 like i have done with every PMDG product in the past.

As for the Q400, YES what a great plane that is too!

 

Read through the entire thread and very tempted to buy the Q400 now.

 

Anyone using it in DX10? Any problems?

I will be interested if the "turbulence" they aw going to implement will interfere with Opus in any way?

How good is it? Well let's just say that I was in the 777 first thing this morning and by this afternoon I was back in the Q400. With absolutely no disrespect to PMDG and their excellent work I think I've discovered that the 'flaps-up-VNAV-wake-me-up-in-7-hours' stuff isn't really for me. I love the fact that the Q makes you sing for your supper. I love the crappy VNAV that gets broken if there's a speed limit point. I love no autothrottle, I love having frame rates that the 777 would kill its own grandmother to have and I love the SHORT LEGS. In the time it takes a 777 to get to Dubai I can have done 6 sectors in the Q4. It's a superb aircraft, it really is. 

 

Absolutely agree with you.

 

I'm a short haul guy too.

 

Although I do own the NGX and 777. Everyone needs a change, and when I fancy the sophistication of a big jet, I'm in business.

 

Will be awesome when the next version of the Q400 gives us a HUD.

I will be interested if the "turbulence" they aw going to implement will interfere with Opus in any way?

 

And I agree that the Majestic Q400 is a fantastic piece of software, the one thing that really bugs me is that there is no turbulence in the FSX world with this aircraft. I might have missed the memo when I bought this thing when it came out, but I didn't see in the advertisement at the time for the aircraft that turbulence wouldn't work with this software package.  

 

I wholeheartedly agree that I keep coming back to this aircraft, but the turbulence thing really bugs me. They are supposed to "add" it soon. 

a game changer

 

Now those guys had some fun for sure.  B)  I'm glad you've posted this video since it shows the shared stuff already working, proof of concept. My mind still was recalling the more vague 'we are looking at it' state.

 

Ha, great explanation on the 'jittery' throttles (~06:30). Even the hardware faults (Saitek) get synced. Amazing. Other devs please take note and bring your planes to the same standard.

And I agree that the Majestic Q400 is a fantastic piece of software, the one thing that really bugs me is that there is no turbulence in the FSX world with this aircraft. I might have missed the memo when I bought this thing when it came out, but I didn't see in the advertisement at the time for the aircraft that turbulence wouldn't work with this software package.  

 

I wholeheartedly agree that I keep coming back to this aircraft, but the turbulence thing really bugs me. They are supposed to "add" it soon. 

 

 

 

 

 

Majestic have a fix, will be in the next service pack, under testing now. :smile:

Thanks Martin, looking forward to the release.