Word Not Allowed was/is awesome, was one of the better dudes here, always willing to help me out anyways.

http://www.orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/59802-ftx-global-update-june-2013/

 

for those thinking this was all unannounced to a unsuspecting public.  In this post is to be found every point being made by Alain, Nick, and "that other guy" (not sure how much I can get away with here, can't we all just get along?) being made by JV himself,  well before.   This was posted nearly two months before the release of the product,  yes, if you say it should have been in the manual, you have a great point, and I would await that answer as raptly as you.  also, it was announced that the uninstaller was originally planned to ship with the product.  so there are things being said that I agree with, but to claim that this was all done on the sly is a baldfaced lie.

 

so,  the uninstaller is simple and should have been done by now?  you forget that in orbx land there are more products than global that need to run under the "switcher".  also each region has its own core file changes, always had.  the old "default" option just allowed you to use all default files, but all the regions would be messed up.  in addition,  what do you do with ftx central itself, once the uninstaller has been run?  for those customers who also have FTX regions you need to revert back to the old central before global.  I'm glad I don't have to figure it out that's for sure.  they could have certainly released "just textures" like GEX does, but that negates one of the best features of FTX global for people like me, namely the ability to have ALL my ftx stuff active without having to run the switcher every time I fly in a different area of the world.  thats why the lc mods were made.  add to that the possible user issues with doing some part of the uninstall wrong,  I wouldn't say it's simple at all.  In fact I would guess that the uninstaller will cause more user issues than FTXG itself does.  

 

some of you will say that proves that the product is too complicated.  I wouldn't agree, but it's a fair point.  I find all this talk though a bit perplexing, this is the last addon I would uninstall, I would gladly uninstall any airport, or all of them, rather than FTXG.  

Were you able to just turn on and off GEX without a full texture reload? No, so why do you think FTXG should work this way? They do need to have a way to uninstall or restore the original files, which they say they will provide. I agree it should have been with the released product, but that's water under the bridge now. It won't though be an on off switch like their regional sections are. It can't for the same reason GEX couldn't do it. It's a global texture replacement addon, just like GEX.

Well switching between regions and FSX default was possible so I don't see what the big deal is to program a switch between global texture sets? Now I am not proficient with the inner workings of FSX so maybe this is not possible but I am sure most would agree that a switch would be much more convenient than a full uninstall which may lead to other problems if not done correctly.

I thought His review was pretty good, nice job.

the old region switch just switched the lclookup, and other core files, as well as the autogen.  it never switched textures, since the textures were found in the individual region sceneries.  I suppose there would be a way to make global just an enormous region, and have the switcher turn it on and off, but that has the disadvantage that you would have to have two full texture packages installed at once (which you have anyway since you have a backup folder)  If you do like GEX does and have its interface restore all textures to the default location, its an action that would probably take about 10 minutes each time,  which might not be the ideal solution for a quick switch.

Has anyone tried to fly in FTX Global outside of their ORBX regional areas when they have just switched to regions.....?

Were you able to just turn on and off GEX without a full texture reload? No, so why do you think FTXG should work this way? (...) It can't for the same reason GEX couldn't do it. It's a global texture replacement addon, just like GEX.

 

 

And here's the difference between GEX and FTXG:

 

GEX is "just" a texture replacement; FTXG will also change core files of FSX. That's why a default mode/uninstall option can be of some importance with respect to FTXG.

 

But I agree with other findings like

 

- ORBX will release an automatic uninstaller which can bring your pre-FTXG FSX core files back. (Manual uninstall instructions are available already.)

- There are way less incompatibility issues concerning FTXG and other developers' scenery addons than was suspected when this controversy started.

It's funny how people who don't have a problem try to convince people who do have a problem, that there is no problem.

It's funny how people who don't have a problem try to convince people who do have a problem, that there is no problem.

 

I don't know about that,  I haven't seen anyone actually deny that FTXG can cause problems with some other sceneries.

 

Some of this thread though is people who have no problems trying to convince other people who have no problems that there IS a problem.  

 

The drumbeat on this is loudest from three people.

 

Alain was banned from ORBX's forum during the "great after Xmas sale controversy of 2011" and has been using every opportunity since then to be a thorn in the side of JV here at Avsim.  does not own the product to my knowledge.

 

NickN manufactures a competing product, and is generally of the opinion that no-one should do anything outside the bounds of the SDK.  also does not own the product.

 

Word Not Allowed- actually has no preconceived biases that I'm aware of, is pretty opinionated in general, but again guess who is being the most realistic and reasonable of the three?  Does own the product.

 

 

I don't think that anybody should have the impression that FTXG will not have some adverse effects on some other addons.  For that reason I have no problem with the review in question.  however, the manner in which the product is being characterized is unfair and should be taken with an enormous grain of salt considering the source of some of those comments.  Is this a Great, but flawed product? yes.  is it malware? (as was charged previously by one of the above?) No.

I don't know about that,  I haven't seen anyone actually deny that FTXG can cause problems with some other sceneries.

 

Some of this thread though is people who have no problems trying to convince other people who have no problems that there IS a problem.  

 

The drumbeat on this is loudest from three people.

 

Alain was banned from ORBX's forum during the "great after Xmas sale controversy of 2011" and has been using every opportunity since then to be a thorn in the side of JV here at Avsim.  does not own the product to my knowledge.

 

NickN manufactures a competing product, and is generally of the opinion that no-one should do anything outside the bounds of the SDK.  also does not own the product.

 

Word Not Allowed- actually has no preconceived biases that I'm aware of, is pretty opinionated in general, but again guess who is being the most realistic and reasonable of the three?  Does own the product.

 

 

I don't think that anybody should have the impression that FTXG will not have some adverse effects on some other addons.  For that reason I have no problem with the review in question.  however, the manner in which the product is being characterized is unfair and should be taken with an enormous grain of salt considering the source of some of those comments.  Is this a Great, but flawed product? yes.  is it malware? (as was charged previously by one of the above?) No.

 

Dam....I did not want to post about this here anymore...pfff  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU

 

Shawn....about asking directly to the person before making a statement on them, in this instance ME...let me save you some time here and give you the facts as they are so you can have them straight in your next post about me, I (long time ago) left Orbx forum describing in a post in their forum WHY I was doing so, I was not banned at the time, I QUIT going over there, they banned me at one point but I have no clues at to when they did it.

 

Let me make something clear here once for all, NOWHERE you will find a post of mine telling somebody NOT to buy Orbx products NOWHERE, not on Avsim or any other forums, or that their products is not good or worth buying, what I've always said is that their products is visually fantastic as I have a lot of them myself, what better proof about the quality of a product can one have.

 

I stop buying from Orbx BECAUSE of the way they handled the Christmas sales and for NO other reasons, my choice and mine only, you may not agree with this (and you have the right not to) but in MY BOOK and MY BOOK only they put the screw to the faithful customers pre-paying for a discount before release when they came up with this Christmas's sale at a better discount, I quit on PRINCIPALS only, again, my choice, nothing personal with anybody.

 

Now about FTX-G, show me a post where I say that this products was not good visually or not worth buying, you can't find one because I've NEVER said such a thing about FTX-G, what I said and ALWAYS said is that this product will do stuff (change core files just to take this one) in your computer that you MAY not be aware of and MAY be irreversible after install in its present state if you are not informed of everything, as the gentlemen in the link from the OP found out by looking at it himself and as Nick also did, I would have been as vocal about any other developers with a product doing the same as FTX-G does.

 

Is it not the goal of a forum to be informative as much as possible to ALL simmers..  http://forum.avsim.net/topic/415451-nickn-seems-to-be-totally-mistaken/page-4  post # 81

 

 

You may or may not like the message for your own reasons but why going after the messenger(s), why not debating the message only, was I wrong all along?

Obrx is great visually and good products its the way they code and setup software is distrubing want 100% control of what installing and able to uninstall or use other products at the same time. Orbx acting like monopolist they could in time decide only planes bought by thier perferred vendors can be used in thier products.

Dam....I did not want to post about this here anymore...pfff  http://www.youtube.c...h?v=UPw-3e_pzqU

 

 

 

Oh, come on,  sure you do.  It's practically the only subject you post about these days.

 

Shawn....about asking directly to the person before making a statement on them, in this instance ME...let me save you some time here and give you the facts as they are so you can have them straight in your next post about me, I (long time ago) left Orbx forum describing in a post in their forum WHY I was doing so, I was not banned at the time, I QUIT going over there, they banned me at one point but I have no clues at to when they did it.

 

You're fired!!! No I Quit!  No you're fired!  You can't fire me I quit!!   blah de blah blah blah.   Look, I don't care how it's spun out by anyone.  There was an unfriendly mutual parting of the ways at ORBX, and since that point you have been here grousing about it.  I am not without sympathy for this.  I don't think you should be banned.  I don't think you should have been suspended here,  too many people are afraid of disagreement and conflict.

 

Let me make something clear here once for all, NOWHERE you will find a post of mine telling somebody NOT to buy Orbx products NOWHERE, not on Avsim or any other forums, or that their products is not good or worth buying, what I've always said is that their products is visually fantastic as I have a lot of them myself, what better proof about the quality of a product can one have.

 

You're right, you haven't.  I never said you did.  I said you delight in being a thorn in JV's side and that statement is 100% accurate.  you don't down their products at all, but you do find a way to involve yourself in any discussion where the motivations of that particular developer are speculated about.  and you always find a way to link to other people who criticize,  even if you don't do it yourself.  You practically harassed Word Not Allowed on his blog about this issue, trying to get him to sound off.  You also mischaracterized my comments, and the comments of others on this forum when you compiled your list of "batting practice" questions for Nick, so that Nick would go off on them in a predictable fashion.

 

I stop buying from Orbx BECAUSE of the way they handled the Christmas sales and for NO other reasons, my choice and mine only, you may not agree with this (and you have the right not to) but in MY BOOK and MY BOOK only they put the screw to the faithful customers pre-paying for a discount before release when they came up with this Christmas's sale at a better discount, I quit on PRINCIPALS only, again, my choice, nothing personal with anybody.

 

I didn't agree as strongly as you at the time, but I don't disagree with you on the sale issue for the most part.  I bought those addons at full price as well, I don't have any arguments with your position on this.  It WAS a long time ago.

 

Now about FTX-G, show me a post where I say that this products was not good visually or not worth buying, you can't find one because I've NEVER said such a thing about FTX-G, what I said and ALWAYS said is that this product will do stuff (change core files just to take this one) in your computer that you MAY not be aware of and MAY be irreversible after install in its present state if you are not informed of everything, as the gentlemen in the link from the OP found out by looking at it himself and as Nick also did, I would have been as vocal about any other developers with a product doing the same as FTX-G does.

 

Is it not the goal of a forum to be informative as much as possible to ALL simmers..  http://forum.avsim.n...mistaken/page-4  post # 81

 

 

You may or may not like the message for your own reasons but why going after the messenger(s), why not debating the message only, was I wrong all along?

 

I don't have a problem with anybody presenting facts.  trouble is theres always speculation and name calling that go with it.  Nobody has denied the basic facts, not me, not ORBX, not anybody,  To be honest, ORBX posted these facts on their forum before releasing the damn thing.  as for the "messengers" well, find me better messengers.

 

I don't think that it is out of bounds to point out that a disgruntled ex-customer with a history, and a direct competitor are probably not your best sources of information on a product.  I also don't think it's out of bounds to have problems with a developer who openly posts that a competitors product is "malware" and uses words like tyrannical to describe its author.  Not Classy, and in the end I think it only hurts himself.  I also don't like a few basic facts being used to set up a whole series of doomsday predictions and slippery slope conspiracy theories.  that's not informational, that's not helpful to the flightsim community.

 

so, olive branch time, If you want we can draft some sort of factual BS free statement about what this product actually does, pros and cons, I'd be happy to post it myself,  I think people should know what they are buying.  I'm not interested in fueling someone's personal vendetta though.  The Horse has been dead a long, long, time; and now it's starting to turn.

Life would have been a lot easier if Orbx had included an uninstaller and had not included the new night lighting system... ^_^

you forgot about the green deserts...

Interesting, as it sounds like  Word Not Allowed is saying the same thing as a spokesperson for Flight1/GEX stated awhile back, which seemed to upset many people.

Although these incidents that Word Not Allowed mentions are far and few between, there could be many who have just not reported minor issues. Maybe they will work it out.

 

Bob