Radar Contact Oceanic Crossings

[507Roxy 0]

Hi im new to the avsim forums.

 

I have radar contact and I was wondering if it covered oceanic crossings like oceanic clearances and position reports

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You get handed over to 'oceanic (...)' but a, say, NAT clearance or a position report is not covered.

 

Position reports you can find with ProFlightEmulator but for me the PFE interface leaves a bit to be desired ...

[Ray Proudfoot 8,948]

Hi im new to the avsim forums.

 

I have radar contact and I was wondering if it covered oceanic crossings like oceanic clearances and position reports

 

That feature has not been implemented. Maybe it might in any future version but for now just include the required waypoints in your plan. I suggest the distance between each waypoint is not greater than 400nm.

[ronzie 21]

I used FSBuild to generate KJFK-EGLL automatically. I did not download current NATS though it has that capability but used the ones I last stored.

 

 

 

FSB uses the lattitude for the waypoint label. As a side note it connects to your last downloaded Active Sky weather snapshot for winds aloft and METARS to help in fuel planning.

 

If you wish to try this plan here they are in FS9/FSX format and then FSX XML format. Just paste them in your correct folder where your .pln files are stored by copying/pasting in text format from this reply:

 

FS9 format:

 

[flightplan]
title=KJFK to EGLL
description=KJFK, EGLL
type=IFR
routetype=3
cruising_altitude=37000
departure_id=KJFK, N40* 38.23', W073* 46.44',+000014.00
departure_position=13R
destination_id=EGLL, N51* 28.38', W000* 27.41',+000083.00
departure_name=NEW_YORK/JOHN_F_KENNEDY_INTL
destination_name=LONDON/HEATHROW
waypoint.0=KJFK, A, N40* 38.23', W073* 46.44', +000000.00,
waypoint.1=BETTE, I, N40* 33.33', W073* 00.42', +000000.00,
waypoint.2=ACK, V, N41* 16.54', W070* 01.36', +000000.00, J585
waypoint.3=STOOL, I, N42* 08.34', W068* 45.59', +000000.00, J585
waypoint.4=DAVES, I, N42* 56.42', W067* 30.27', +000000.00, J585
waypoint.5=YQI, V, N43* 49.30', W066* 04.56', +000000.00, J575
waypoint.6=HIDIG, I, N44* 40.50', W064* 00.57', +000000.00, J575
waypoint.7=YHZ, V, N44* 55.23', W063* 24.06', +000000.00, J575
waypoint.8=IGTAS, I, N45* 04.58', W062* 59.22', +000000.00, J575
waypoint.9=YQY, V, N46* 09.12', W060* 03.20', +000000.00, J575
waypoint.10=LEXAK, I, N47* 24.00', W053* 24.42', +000000.00, J575
waypoint.11=YYT, V, N47* 29.07', W052* 51.07', +000000.00,
waypoint.12=4946N, I, N49* 00.00', W046* 00.00', +000000.00,
waypoint.13=5139N, I, N51* 00.00', W039* 00.00', +000000.00,
waypoint.14=5231N, I, N52* 00.00', W031* 00.00', +000000.00,
waypoint.15=5223N, I, N52* 00.00', W023* 00.00', +000000.00,
waypoint.16=5215N, I, N52* 00.00', W015* 00.00', +000000.00,
waypoint.17=LESLU, I, N51* 00.00', W008* 00.00', +000000.00, UL180
waypoint.18=MERLY, I, N51* 19.59', W005* 00.00', +000000.00, UL180
waypoint.19=SWANY, I, N51* 33.33', W004* 07.47', +000000.00, UL180
waypoint.20=ABDUK, I, N51* 38.34', W003* 48.01', +000000.00, UL180
waypoint.21=DIKAS, I, N51* 46.36', W003* 15.33', +000000.00, UL9
waypoint.22=BASET, I, N51* 33.50', W001* 42.35', +000000.00, UL9
waypoint.23=KENET, I, N51* 31.14', W001* 27.18', +000000.00,
waypoint.24=BNN12, I, N51* 39.30', W000* 51.07', +000000.00,
waypoint.25=BNN, V, N51* 43.34', W000* 32.59', +000000.00,
waypoint.26=EGLL, A, N51* 28.38', W000* 27.41', +000000.00,
 

 

FSX Format:

 

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="Windows-1252"?>

<SimBase.Document Type="AceXML" version="1,0">
    <Descr>AceXML Document</Descr>
    <FlightPlan.FlightPlan>
        <Title>KJFK to EGLL</Title>
        <FPType>IFR</FPType>
        <RouteType>HighAlt</RouteType>
        <CruisingAlt>37000</CruisingAlt>
        <DepartureID>KJFK</DepartureID>
        <DepartureLLA>N40° 38' 23.00" , W73° 46' 44.00",</DepartureLLA>
        <DestinationID>EGLL</DestinationID>
        <DestinationLLA>N51° 28' 38.00" , W00° 27' 41.00",</DestinationLLA>
        <Descr>KJFK, EGLL</Descr>
        <DeparturePosition>13R</DeparturePosition>
        <DepartureName>NEW_YORK/JOHN_F_KENNEDY_INTL</DepartureName>
        <DestinationName>LONDON/HEATHROW</DestinationName>
        <AppVersion>
            <AppVersionMajor>10</AppVersionMajor>
            <AppVersionBuild>60905</AppVersionBuild>
        </AppVersion>
        <ATCWaypoint id="KJFK">
             <ATCWaypointType>Airport</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N40° 38' 23.00",W73° 46' 44.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>KJFK</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="BETTE">
             <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N40° 33' 33.00",W73° 00' 42.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>BETTE</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="ACK">
             <ATCWaypointType>VOR</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N41° 16' 54.00",W70° 01' 36.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>ACK</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="STOOL">
             <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N42° 08' 34.00",W68° 45' 59.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>STOOL</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="DAVES">
             <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N42° 56' 42.00",W67° 30' 27.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>DAVES</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="YQI">
             <ATCWaypointType>VOR</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N43° 49' 30.00",W66° 04' 56.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>YQI</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="HIDIG">
             <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N44° 40' 50.00",W64° 00' 57.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>HIDIG</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="YHZ">
             <ATCWaypointType>VOR</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N44° 55' 23.00",W63° 24' 06.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>YHZ</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="IGTAS">
             <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N45° 04' 58.00",W62° 59' 22.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>IGTAS</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="YQY">
             <ATCWaypointType>VOR</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N46° 09' 12.00",W60° 03' 20.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>YQY</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="LEXAK">
             <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N47° 24' 00.00",W53° 24' 42.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>LEXAK</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="YYT">
             <ATCWaypointType>VOR</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N47° 29' 07.00",W52° 51' 07.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>YYT</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="4946N">
             <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N49° 00' 00.00",W46° 00' 00.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>4946N</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="5139N">
             <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N51° 00' 00.00",W39° 00' 00.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>5139N</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="5231N">
             <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N52° 00' 00.00",W31° 00' 00.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>5231N</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="5223N">
             <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N52° 00' 00.00",W23° 00' 00.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>5223N</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="5215N">
             <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N52° 00' 00.00",W15° 00' 00.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>5215N</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="LESLU">
             <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N51° 00' 00.00",W08° 00' 00.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>LESLU</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="MERLY">
             <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N51° 19' 59.00",W05° 00' 00.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>MERLY</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="SWANY">
             <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N51° 33' 33.00",W04° 07' 47.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>SWANY</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="ABDUK">
             <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N51° 38' 34.00",W03° 48' 01.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>ABDUK</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="DIKAS">
             <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N51° 46' 36.00",W03° 15' 33.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>DIKAS</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="BASET">
             <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N51° 33' 50.00",W01° 42' 35.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>BASET</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="KENET">
             <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N51° 31' 14.00",W01° 27' 18.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>KENET</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="BNN12">
             <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N51° 39' 30.00",W00° 51' 07.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>BNN12</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="BNN">
             <ATCWaypointType>VOR</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N51° 43' 34.00",W00° 32' 59.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>BNN</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="EGLL">
             <ATCWaypointType>Airport</ATCWaypointType>
             <WorldPosition>N51° 28' 38.00",W00° 27' 41.00",</WorldPosition>
             <ICAO>
                 <ICAOIdent>EGLL</ICAOIdent>
             </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
    </FlightPlan.FlightPlan>
</SimBase.Document>
 

 

If you wish to use a real filed NATS route and one end is in the FAA terrotories, depending on the flight status flightaware.com might have the route. The route with NATS coordinates there must be a few hours after arrival for whatever reason as this BA178 which arriived at EGLL 21AUG13 1943 BST five hours before my query:

 

BETTE ACK VITOL 4200N 06000W 4200N 05000W 4500N 04000W 4800N 03000W 5000N 02000W SOMAX ATSUR EVRIN UL607 NUMPO UP2 OKESI Y3 BEDEK OCK2F. For FSBuild you just eliminate the space between lattitude and longitude in its route input area and add the airport. Here is the FSBuild autogenerated route that produced the plans I pasted;

 

KJFK BETTE3.ACK J585 YQI J575 YYT 4946N 5139N 5231N 5223N 5215N LESLU UL180 MERLY UL180 DIKAS UL9 KENET.BNN1D EGLL

 

A bit different but then I did not select runways before generating. (The exported FS plans have the full coordinates of latitude and longitude. These are just waypoint labels in the route line.)

 

RC follows the coordinates in the .pln file and whatever waypoint names are used. How it announces in these in clearance I am not sure.

 

 

[Don t moderate me this way 882]

On a sidenote I remember a FS2Crew edition capable of simulating oceanic crossings (an old LVLD edition simulating ETOPS). With RadarContact flying waypoints defining NATs like any other FP waypoints, some degree of "oceanic crossing atmosphere" should be possible.

[507Roxy 0]

Ok Ill try that route