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Kai Tak IGS 13 approach?

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22 minutes ago, Mike777 said:

See if you can get someone on the IFLY Forums to send you the files. 

I will go there and find those files. I know it should be 2 files in SIDS folder and another 2 files in the STARS folder.

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Got it to work in P3DV4 PMDG QOTS2.

 

Goof Proof FMC - PMDG FMS VHHX (Kai Tak) Data

Seems the NavData .txt files are sensitive to tab key entry!
This file is provided in NoteBook format to avoid this issue!
All files are (P3DV4) in the PMDG folder in your P3DV4installation!
Copy and paste the lines into the 2 weNavxxx.txt files
Add the line to airports.dat. You need to open that in NotePad!
Create VHHX.txt and put it in the sidstars folder
Bravo India November Golf Oscar - You did it!

========================================================================

Add to wpNavAPT.txt (NavData folder)

HONG KONG KAI TAK       VHHX31 10930316 22.305500 114.214500109.9031600015
HONG KONG KAI TAK       VHHX13 10930136 22.321667 114.196667111.9008800015

=========================================================================
Add to wpNavAID.txt (NavData folder)

IGS LLZ/DME RWY 13      KL   ILSD 22.003299 114.104167111.90T
LLZ/DME RWY 31          IIHK ILSD 22.324500 114.193667109.90T
CH36X                   GP   NDB  22.326667 114.191333333.00N
HONG KONG INTL          RW   NDB  22.326667 114.191333337.00N
IGS RWY 13              GP   NDB  22.326833 114.092500331.00N

==========================================================================
Add to airports.dat (NavData folder)

VHHX 22.316959 114.202621

==========================================================================
Create a new .txt file and call it VHHX.txt and save it to your sidstars

folder.

Copy and paste the following into VHHX.txt :-

//*********************************************************
// AIRPORT PROCEDURES
// For VHHX Kai Tak, Hong Kong Airport (CLOSED)
// Created by Martin Stewart for www.vapap.com
// Last Rev 1st September 2015
// Compatible with Navigraph Data
// For use with the B737NG, B737NGX & B747-400, MD11 PMDG Series Aircraft
//*********************************************************
FIXES
FIX ALPHA LATLON N 22 16.20000 E 115 8.59998
FIX BEKOL LATLON N 22 32.59998 E 114 7.99998
FIX CH LATLON N 22 13.17252 E 114 1.80336
FIX CH50 LATLON N 21 52.90194 E 114 50.99982
FIX CHALI LATLON N 21 17.74998 E 113 36.68334
FIX D15 LATLON N 22 18.97548 E 113 55.95066
FIX DELTA LATLON N 21 19.99998 E 114 31.99998
FIX DOM14 LATLON N 22 2.79000 E 114 43.45002
FIX DOM25 LATLON N 21 52.74000 E 114 50.98002
FIX DOTFL LATLON N 21 51.83190 E 115 47.12970
FIX DOTMI LATLON N 22 43.09998 E 116 10.09998
FIX DUMOL LATLON N 19 0.00000 E 114 26.80002
FIX ELAFL LATLON N 21 51.83190 E 115 47.12970
FIX ELATO LATLON N 22 19.99998 E 117 30.00000
FIX ENV14 LATLON N 21 54.19548 E 114 39.72912
FIX ENV25 LATLON N 21 52.90192 E 114 50.99984
FIX ENVAR LATLON N 21 59.50002 E 117 30.00000
FIX EPD10 LATLON N 20 34.21002 E 113 46.51002
FIX EPD14 LATLON N 21 33.57000 E 113 55.78998
FIX EPD25 LATLON N 21 48.43176 E 113 58.05840
FIX EPD50 LATLON N 21 23.68968 E 113 54.33498
FIX EPDOS LATLON N 19 0.00000 E 113 33.30000
FIX GOLF LATLON N 22 12.92550 E 113 54.25176
FIX ID1FL LATLON N 20 34.20132 E 113 46.95036
FIX ID2FL LATLON N 20 34.20132 E 113 46.95036
FIX IDO25 LATLON N 21 50.16978 E 113 51.28722
FIX IDO30 LATLON N 21 45.56790 E 113 49.19076
FIX IDO50 LATLON N 21 27.15600 E 113 40.82730
FIX IDOSI LATLON N 19 0.00000 E 112 30.00000
FIX IOD14 LATLON N 21 34.69002 E 113 50.19000
FIX JULIT LATLON N 22 19.90002 E 114 28.90002
FIX KILOG LATLON N 21 52.45002 E 114 41.61666
FIX LIMA LATLON N 22 8.09058 E 114 24.12120
FIX MAG30 LATLON N 22 13.64232 E 114 34.18494
FIX MAG50 LATLON N 22 13.89624 E 114 55.77444
FIX MAGOG LATLON N 22 17.76666 E 115 49.50000
FIX MIKE LATLON N 21 17.80002 E 113 15.60000
FIX MM13 LATLON N 22 19.89240 E 114 9.91488
FIX MM31 LATLON N 22 17.07408 E 114 14.29656
FIX NOM14 LATLON N 21 56.20170 E 114 40.85892
FIX NOM15 LATLON N 21 51.93492 E 114 50.59848
FIX NOM24 LATLON N 21 47.42316 E 114 34.78056
FIX NOM25 LATLON N 21 40.96872 E 114 42.99384
FIX NOM30 LATLON N 21 53.47380 E 114 26.18754
FIX NOM50 LATLON N 21 40.30818 E 114 42.38124
FIX NOMAN LATLON N 20 0.00000 E 116 40.30002
FIX NOMFL LATLON N 21 30.45912 E 115 39.15084
FIX OM13 LATLON N 22 19.61010 E 114 5.54418
FIX OSCAR LATLON N 21 51.10560 E 114 14.44014
FIX POU LATLON N 23 1.30002 E 113 11.40000
FIX R288 LATLON N 22 19.88496 E 114 9.90150
FIX RW LATLON N 22 19.58850 E 114 11.47014
FIX SAB14 LATLON N 21 43.96998 E 114 31.23000
FIX SABNO LATLON N 18 59.10000 E 115 50.70000
FIX SB1FL LATLON N 20 53.71586 E 115 42.50283
FIX SB2FL LATLON N 20 33.97626 E 114 14.80932
FIX SBC25 LATLON N 21 48.37506 E 114 5.08266
FIX SBC30 LATLON N 21 43.41540 E 114 5.73624
FIX SBC50 LATLON N 21 23.57646 E 114 8.34312
FIX SBD30 LATLON N 21 46.69026 E 114 16.95960
FIX SBD50 LATLON N 21 29.02272 E 114 27.01194
FIX SC LATLON N 22 19.19784 E 114 7.93302
FIX SIK25 LATLON N 21 51.97524 E 113 47.53806
FIX SIK50 LATLON N 21 30.75768 E 113 33.34326
FIX SIKFL LATLON N 20 48.26322 E 113 5.15892
FIX SIKOU LATLON N 20 50.60004 E 111 30.00000
FIX SL LATLON N 22 17.45850 E 113 54.41682
FIX TAMOT LATLON N 22 21.49998 E 113 52.00002
FIX TP LATLON N 22 14.35266 E 114 17.26050
FIX WISKY LATLON N 22 2.54256 E 114 30.44472
ENDFIXES

RNWS
RNW 13
RNW 31
ENDRNWS

SIDS
SID BEK1A RNW 13 FIX OVERFLY TP FIX OVERFLY LIMA AT OR BELOW 7000 SPEED 250

TURN LEFT DIRECT FIX JULIT 7000 FIX BEKOL 11800
SID BEK2C RNW 31 FIX OVERFLY RW SPEED 210 FIX R288 SPEED 210 FIX SC TRK 251

INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM FIX CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 SPEED 250 TRK 154

UNTIL 9000 TURN LEFT DIRECT FIX TP 11000 FIX BEKOL 11800
SID DOT1A RNW 13 FIX OVERFLY TP FIX OVERFLY WISKY AT OR BELOW 7000 SPEED 250

FIX DOM14 AT OR BELOW 14000 TRK 090 INTERCEPT RADIAL 104 FROM FIX CH TRK 104

UNTIL 100.0 FROM FIX CH FIX DOTMI
SID DOT2C RNW 31 FIX OVERFLY RW SPEED 210 FIX R288 SPEED 210 FIX SC TRK 251

INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM FIX CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 SPEED 250 FIX OSCAR AT

OR BELOW 9000 FIX DOM25 AT OR BELOW 11000 TRK 090 INTERCEPT RADIAL 104 FROM FIX

CH FIX DOTFL FIX DOTMI
SID ELA1A RNW 13 FIX OVERFLY TP FIX OVERFLY WISKY AT OR BELOW 7000 SPEED 250

FIX DOM14 AT OR BELOW 14000 TRK 090 INTERCEPT RADIAL 104 FROM FIX CH FIX ELAFL

FIX ELATO
SID ELA2C RNW 31 FIX OVERFLY RW SPEED 210 FIX R288 SPEED 210 FIX SC TRK 251

INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM FIX CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 SPEED 250 FIX OSCAR AT

OR BELOW 9000 FIX DOM25 AT OR BELOW 11000 TRK 090 INTERCEPT RADIAL 104 FROM FIX

CH FIX ELAFL FIX ELATO
SID ENV1A RNW 13 FIX OVERFLY TP FIX OVERFLY WISKY AT OR BELOW 7000 SPEED 250

FIX ENV14 AT OR BELOW 14000 FIX KILOG AT OR BELOW 14000 FIX ENVAR
SID ENV2C RNW 31 FIX OVERFLY RW SPEED 210 FIX R288 SPEED 210 FIX SC TRK 251

INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM FIX CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 SPEED 250 FIX OSCAR AT

OR BELOW 9000 FIX KILOG FIX ENV25 AT OR BELOW 11000 FIX ENVAR
SID EPD1A RNW 13 FIX OVERFLY TP FIX OVERFLY WISKY AT OR BELOW 7000 SPEED 250

FIX EPD14 AT OR BELOW 14000 FIX EPDOS
SID EPD2C RNW 31 FIX OVERFLY RW SPEED 210 FIX R288 SPEED 210 FIX SC TRK 251

INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM FIX CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 SPEED 250 FIX EPD25 AT

OR BELOW 9000 FIX EPD50 AT OR BELOW 11000 FIX EPDOS
SID IDO1A RNW 13 FIX OVERFLY TP FIX OVERFLY WISKY AT OR BELOW 7000 SPEED 250

FIX EPD14 AT OR BELOW 14000 FIX ID1FL FIX IDOSI
SID IDO1B RNW 13 FIX OVERFLY TP FIX OVERFLY WISKY AT OR BELOW 7000 SPEED 250

FIX IOD14 AT OR BELOW 14000 TRK 235 INTERCEPT RADIAL 205 FROM FIX CH FIX IDOSI
SID IDO2C RNW 31 FIX OVERFLY RW SPEED 210 FIX R288 SPEED 210 FIX SC TRK 251

INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM FIX CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 SPEED 250 FIX EPD25 AT

OR BELOW 9000 FIX EPD50 AT OR BELOW 11000 FIX ID2FL FIX IDOSI
SID IDO2D RNW 31 FIX OVERFLY RW SPEED 210 FIX R288 SPEED 210 FIX SC TRK 251

INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM FIX CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 SPEED 250 FIX IDO25 AT

OR BELOW 9000 FIX IDO50 AT OR BELOW 11000 FIX IDOSI
SID NOM1A RNW 13 FIX OVERFLY TP FIX OVERFLY WISKY AT OR BELOW 7000 SPEED 250

TRK 136 INTERCEPT RADIAL 117 FROM FIX CH FIX NOM14 AT OR BELOW 14000 FIX NOMFL

FIX NOMAN
SID NOM1B RNW 13 FIX OVERFLY TP FIX OVERFLY WISKY AT OR BELOW 7000 SPEED 250

TRK 180 INTERCEPT RADIAL 132 FROM FIX CH FIX NOM24 AT OR BELOW 14000 FIX NOMAN
SID NOM2C RNW 31 FIX OVERFLY RW SPEED 210 FIX R288 SPEED 210 FIX SC TRK 251

INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM FIX CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 SPEED 250 FIX OSCAR AT

OR BELOW 9000 FIX KILOG TRK 089 INTERCEPT RADIAL 117 FROM FIX CH FIX NOM15 AT

OR BELOW 11000 FIX NOMFL FIX NOMAN
SID NOM2D RNW 31 FIX OVERFLY RW SPEED 210 FIX R288 SPEED 210 FIX SC TRK 251

INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM FIX CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 SPEED 250 FIX OSCAR AT

OR BELOW 9000 TRK 089 INTERCEPT RADIAL 132 FROM FIX CH FIX NOM25 AT OR BELOW

11000 FIX NOMAN
SID SAB1A RNW 13 FIX OVERFLY TP FIX OVERFLY WISKY AT OR BELOW 7000 SPEED 250

TRK 180 INTERCEPT RADIAL 132 FROM FIX CH FIX NOM24 AT OR BELOW 14000 FIX SB1FL

FIX SABNO
SID SAB1B RNW 13 FIX OVERFLY TP FIX OVERFLY WISKY AT OR BELOW 7000 SPEED 250

FIX SAB14 AT OR BELOW 14000 TRK 180 INTERCEPT RADIAL 154 FROM FIX CH FIX SABNO
SID SAB2C RNW 31 FIX OVERFLY RW SPEED 210 FIX R288 SPEED 210 FIX SC TRK 251

INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM FIX CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 SPEED 250 FIX SBC25 AT

OR BELOW 9000 FIX SBC50 AT OR BELOW 11000 FIX SB2FL FIX SABNO
SID SAB2D RNW 31 FIX OVERFLY RW SPEED 210 FIX R288 SPEED 210 FIX SC TRK 251

INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM FIX CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 SPEED 250 FIX OSCAR AT

OR BELOW 9000 FIX SBD50 AT OR BELOW 11000 FIX SABNO
SID SIK1A RNW 13 FIX OVERFLY TP FIX OVERFLY WISKY AT OR BELOW 7000 SPEED 250

FIX EPD14 AT OR BELOW 14000 FIX EPD10 FIX SIKOU
SID SIK2C RNW 31 FIX OVERFLY RW SPEED 210 FIX R288 SPEED 210 FIX SC TRK 251

INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM FIX CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 SPEED 250 FIX SIK25 AT

OR BELOW 9000 FIX SIK50 AT OR BELOW 11000 FIX SIKFL FIX SIKOU
SID SIK2E RNW 31 FIX OVERFLY RW SPEED 210 FIX R288 SPEED 210 FIX SC TRK 251

INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM FIX CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 SPEED 250 FIX EPD25 AT

OR BELOW 9000 FIX EPD50 AT OR BELOW 11000 TRK 190 UNTIL 100.0 FROM FIX CH FIX

SIKOU
ENDSIDS

STARS
STAR DUML13 FIX DUMOL FIX SBC50 FIX SBC30 AT OR BELOW 14000 SPEED 250 FIX CH

8000 SPEED 210
  RNW 13
STAR DUML31 FIX DUMOL FIX SBC50 13000 FIX WISKY 7000 SPEED 250
  RNW 31
STAR IDOS13 FIX IDOSI FIX CHALI FIX IDO50 FIX IDO30 AT OR BELOW 14000 SPEED 250

FIX CH 8000 SPEED 210
  RNW 13
STAR IDOS31 FIX IDOSI FIX CHALI FIX IDO50 13000 FIX WISKY 7000 SPEED 250
  RNW 31
STAR MAGO13 FIX MAGOG FIX ALPHA FIX MAG50 FIX MAG30 AT OR BELOW 14000 SPEED 250

FIX CH 8000 SPEED 210
 TRANSITION DOTMI FIX DOTMI
 TRANSITION ELATO FIX ELATO
  RNW 13
STAR MAGO31 FIX MAGOG FIX ALPHA FIX MAG50 13000 FIX WISKY 7000 SPEED 250
 TRANSITION DOTMI FIX DOTMI
 TRANSITION ELATO FIX ELATO
  RNW 31
STAR NOM13 FIX NOMAN FIX NOM50 FIX NOM30 AT OR BELOW 14000 SPEED 250 FIX CH

8000 SPEED 210
  RNW 13
STAR NOM31 FIX NOMAN FIX NOM50 13000 FIX WISKY 7000 SPEED 250
  RNW 31
STAR SABN13 FIX SABNO FIX DELTA FIX SBD50 FIX SBD30 AT OR BELOW 14000 SPEED 250

FIX CH 8000 SPEED 210
  RNW 13
STAR SABN31 FIX SABNO FIX DELTA FIX SBD50 13000 FIX WISKY 7000 SPEED 250
  RNW 31
STAR SIKO13 FIX SIKOU FIX CHALI FIX IDO50 FIX IDO30 AT OR BELOW 14000 SPEED 250

FIX CH 8000 SPEED 210
  RNW 13
STAR SIKO31 FIX SIKOU FIX CHALI FIX IDO50 13000 FIX WISKY 7000 SPEED 250
  RNW 31
STAR TAMT13 FIX POU FIX TAMOT FIX MIKE 28000 FIX CHALI FIX IDO50 FIX IDO30 AT

OR BELOW 14000 SPEED 250 FIX CH 8000 SPEED 210
  RNW 13
STAR TAMT31 FIX POU FIX TAMOT FIX MIKE 28000 FIX CHALI FIX IDO50 13000 FIX

WISKY 7000 SPEED 250
  RNW 31
ENDSTARS

APPROACHES
APPROACH IGS13 FIX CH 8000 FIX GOLF 6000 SPEED 180 FIX SL FIX D15 4500 FIX OM13

1920 FIX MM13 610 RNW 13 FIX TP HOLD AT FIX TP RIGHT TURN INBOUNDCOURSE 315 ALT

4500 SPEED 230 LEGTIME 1
APPROACH ILS31 FIX WISKY 7000 SPEED 250 FIX LIMA 4500 SPEED 180 FIX TP 2000 FIX

MM31 647 RNW 31 FIX OVERFLY RW SPEED 210 FIX R288 SPEED 210 FIX SC TRK 251

INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM FIX CH FIX CH HOLD AT FIX CH LEFT TURN INBOUNDCOURSE

270 ALT 4500 LEGTIME 1
ENDAPPROACHES

GATES
GATE 1 N 22 19.60998 E 114 11.59998
GATE 2 N 22 19.63998 E 114 11.62998
GATE 3 N 22 19.66998 E 114 11.65998
GATE 4 N 22 19.69002 E 114 11.68998
GATE 5 N 22 19.72002 E 114 11.71998
GATE 6 N 22 19.75002 E 114 11.74998
GATE 7 N 22 19.78002 E 114 11.77998
GATE 8 N 22 19.81002 E 114 11.80998
GATE 15 N 22 19.56000 E 114 11.70000
GATE 16 N 22 19.59000 E 114 11.71002
GATE 17 N 22 19.62000 E 114 11.76000
GATE 18 N 22 19.63998 E 114 11.79000
GATE 19 N 22 19.66998 E 114 11.82000
GATE 20 N 22 19.72002 E 114 11.86002
GATE 21 N 22 19.47000 E 114 11.80002
GATE 22 N 22 19.50000 E 114 11.82000
GATE 23 N 22 19.53000 E 114 11.85000
GATE 24 N 22 19.57002 E 114 11.89002
GATE 25 N 22 19.60002 E 114 11.92002
GATE 26 N 22 19.63002 E 114 11.95002
GATE 27 N 22 19.45998 E 114 11.80998
GATE 28 N 22 19.48998 E 114 11.83998
GATE 29 N 22 19.51998 E 114 11.88000
GATE 30 N 22 19.54998 E 114 11.91000
GATE 31 N 22 19.59000 E 114 11.94000
GATE 32 N 22 19.62000 E 114 11.98002
GATE 33 N 22 19.36998 E 114 11.88000
GATE 34 N 22 19.38000 E 114 11.89998
GATE 35 N 22 19.39998 E 114 11.92998
GATE 36 N 22 19.42002 E 114 11.94000
GATE 37 N 22 19.44000 E 114 11.95002
GATE 38 N 22 19.47000 E 114 11.95002
GATE 47 N 22 19.72998 E 114 12.25002
GATE 48 N 22 19.78998 E 114 12.27000
GATE 49 N 22 19.84998 E 114 12.27000
GATE 50 N 22 19.89000 E 114 12.27000
GATE 51 N 22 19.93998 E 114 12.27000
GATE 52 N 22 19.99002 E 114 12.27000
GATE 53 N 22 20.04000 E 114 12.25998
GATE 54 N 22 19.69998 E 114 12.04002
GATE 55 N 22 19.72998 E 114 12.07002
GATE 56 N 22 19.75998 E 114 12.10002
GATE 57 N 22 19.75998 E 114 12.10002
GATE 58 N 22 19.81002 E 114 12.16002
GATE 59 N 22 19.78998 E 114 12.10998
GATE 60 N 22 19.75998 E 114 12.07002
GATE 61 N 22 19.75998 E 114 12.06000
GATE 71 N 22 19.35000 E 114 12.19002
GATE 72 N 22 19.32000 E 114 12.22002
GATE 73 N 22 19.29000 E 114 12.25002
GATE 74 N 22 19.26000 E 114 12.28002
GATE 75 N 22 19.23000 E 114 12.31002
GATE 76 N 22 19.20000 E 114 12.34002
GATE 77 N 22 19.17000 E 114 12.37998
GATE 78 N 22 19.14000 E 114 12.40998
GATE 79 N 22 19.11000 E 114 12.43998
GATE 80 N 22 19.08000 E 114 12.48000
GATE 81 N 22 19.06002 E 114 12.51000
GATE M1 N 22 19.83714 E 114 11.93952
GATE M2 N 22 19.86186 E 114 11.97816
GATE M3 N 22 19.88868 E 114 12.02766
GATE M4 N 22 19.90764 E 114 12.06336
GATE M5 N 22 19.91748 E 114 12.10032
GATE M6 N 22 19.93302 E 114 12.12216
GATE Z41 N 22 19.60998 E 114 12.12000
GATE Z43 N 22 19.63002 E 114 12.15000
GATE Z44 N 22 19.66002 E 114 12.16998
GATE Z45 N 22 19.68000 E 114 12.19998
GATE Z46 N 22 19.71000 E 114 12.22002
ENDGATES

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On ‎9‎/‎7‎/‎2017 at 0:19 AM, BIGSKY said:

Got it to work in P3DV4 PMDG QOTS2.

This is for PMDG I guess. Not for iFly 737NG right?

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18 minutes ago, trisho0 said:

This is for PMDG I guess. Not for iFly 737NG right?

His post literally said PMDG QOTS2, which would be the PMDG Boeing 747-400 V3.

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39 minutes ago, Captain Kevin said:

His post literally said PMDG QOTS2, which would be the PMDG Boeing 747-400 V3.

I knew that but thought that posting could help me for the iFly 737NG.

Anyway that posting has an error from his VHHX.txt and I have the right one. The error is LN:95 ERR AT OR

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12 minutes ago, trisho0 said:

I knew that but thought that posting could help me for the iFly 737NG.

Anyway that posting has an error from his VHHX.txt and I have the right one. The error is LN:95 ERR AT OR

I have no errors on the CDU scratch pad.

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21 minutes ago, trisho0 said:

I knew that but thought that posting could help me for the iFly 737NG.

Not really sure how it would, since both planes use a different format for the navigation data.

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17 minutes ago, BIGSKY said:

I have no errors on the CDU scratch pad.

Such error is shown from 747 v3 and 777 but curiously is fine for 747 v2 and I found the VHHX.txt from my folder which is Last Rev 1st September 2015 too.

I tried yours from your post and got error LN:95 ERR AT OR.

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14 minutes ago, Captain Kevin said:

Not really sure how it would, since both planes use a different format for the navigation data.

Database for the Airport.dat and wpNavAPT.txt works but since I don't have the SIDS and STARS files then no ILS available. I think I am very close to get them, via research into internet.

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