Never tried DX10 but have the option so ticked the box, applied V3.2.2 shader fix booted up and ..lost 1/2 my frame rates.

Reading other posts most seem to get a significant improvement ...maybe something lacking in my system ??

 

 

 

 

I've been told that I have a low end system ..NO graphics card ..have the Intel family graphics with 1.6G built into the processor chip itself.

Even so with all sliders at max ..except autogen down 1 notch from extreme to very dense.

Cars 17% boats and ferries around 80% (after 10 years with FS9 I simply must have cars and boats)

 

Frame rates locked at 30fps , sitting on my base tarmac under DX9 NO hit

Identical shot with DX10 ..down by 1/2 ?

 

My system does suffer if I try JFK or LAX and under stormy weather with black clouds drops to about 10-12 fps BUT it doesn't matter

I fly low and slow (ORBX areas US and OZ with about 22-30 range) with Fair weather theme .. water 2xHigh (from mem)  more than happy based on what I have,

 

Intel I5 2.6G

8 Gig memory

ASUS motherboard

Win 7 64

 

I am loath to change my current config sys because it gives stable performance.1 year with FSX no CTD's ,black screens , freezes so Far...but here it is in case the more expert can shed some light on the poor performance under DX10.

 

No flashing runways or lights BUT 1/2 my hanger  aircraft have lost their textures ..pure white ..tires and all and only a few out of the thousands of WOAI AI aircraft are also white (about 10%)

 

I would like to buy the new release DX10 fix but not at that sort of cost to performance

 

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SHOW_WEATHERSTATIONS=1
SHOW_WEATHERSYSTEMS=1
SHOW_DATATAGS=1
SHOW_TERRAIN=1
show_flight_history=1
[RWW_WEATHER_MAP]
SHOW_AIRPORTS=0
SHOW_VORS=0
SHOW_NDBS=0
SHOW_APPROACHES=0
SHOW_INTERSECTIONS=0
SHOW_VICTOR=0
SHOW_JET=0
SHOW_AIRSPACE=0
SHOW_FLIGHTPLAN=1
SHOW_WEATHERSTATIONS=1
SHOW_WEATHERSYSTEMS=1
SHOW_DATATAGS=1
SHOW_TERRAIN=1
[DISPLAY.Device.Intel® HD Graphics.0.0]
Mode=1920x1080x32
[MULTIPLAYER]
condAccoutPassword=0
VoiceVolume=1.600000

 

Cheers

Rob

Edited September 22, 201312 yr by firehawk44
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Hi Rob!

 

Your settings are pretty high. I can't believe you could get great FPS with these settings on DX9 regarding your current system specs, wow!

 

You have a lot of things loading up with FSX and some of your settings are really pushing the limits for a system like yours, like:

 

IMAGE_COMPLEXITY=5

FreewayDensity=20
ShipsAndFerriesDensity=77
LeisureBoatsDensity=77

TEXTURE_RESOLUTION=29

AIRPORT_SCENERY_DENSITY=2

WATER_EFFECTS=6

 

Also I noticed you don't have Antialiassing on in FSX, which is a must in DX10 or it won't work. But again, if you don't have a dedicated videocard...... I'm not sure.

 

What I always say to people who are dipping their toes in the DX10 water (which looks better B) ), please back-up your current FSX.cfg by renaming it to FSX.CFG.DX9 for example for use with DX9.

Then start FSX to allow it to create a fresh one. Then read the How-to guide that Paul wrote which can be found in the sticky thread in this forum.

Some tweaks work differently with DX10 and overall you will need less tweaks. Some are even counter-productive!

A fresh fsx.CFG will get rid of all old junk you don't even remember putting in.

 

Just set FSX to DX10 and turn on AA, put the HIGHMEM fix in and start FSX. Check performance and start editting your config with the How-to guide as a reference.

 

I do have to say that without a videocard it just as well may turn out that DX10 will not work good for you, because it stresses your GPU relatively more than with DX9. But you can always try.

You can always come back here if you have done the basics and need some specific help to improve performance further.

 

Good luck! :smile:

Hi there, same issue here!

 

DX9: 16 fps

DX10: 8-9 fps

 

Same result using a completely fresh fsx.cfg, only tweak is highmemfix.

My settings are relatively high compared to my system specs (resulting in frames between 10 and 20, but I'm totally happy with it)

 

Most relevant settings:

Cars: 10

Boats & ferries: 10

Air traffic: 40

LOD_radius: 3,5

Water: 4 (should be Low 2x)

TEXTURE_MAX_LOAD=1024

Clouds: REX 1024

TERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_TREES_PER_CELL=300
TERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_BUILDINGS_PER_CELL=150

AIRPORT_SCENERY_DENSITY=1 (very low)

Filtering: Anisotropic, antialiasing=On

 

 

My system specs:

AMD Radeon HD6850M (1GB)

Intel i5 2450M (3,1 GHz)

8 GB RAM

Win7

 

Any tips are well appreciated :smile:

Sebi

Both of your systems can run fsx at low settings but not at those high settings. Try reducing autogen to normal and get rid of all AI traffic boats cars planes. I have a 4.5 ghz prosessor and a 2Gb 660ti and even I cant run full settings. Fsx is a resource hog

That's the main reason why I'm waiting for P3D 2.0 :wink:

Well ..an update

Deleted the config.sys and it built a new one

Differences ..it reset my sliders from max to about half way, changes screen resolution from 1920 down to 1024 x 768 lost all my previous gauge additions etc ... and made no difference at all.

 

As with 1st pic under DX9 locked at 30 fps still showing 30 fps ..

under DX10 locked at 30 fps showing about 17 fps.

 

As stated with my low end system with everything maxed over heavy forest etc where the autogen kicks in I still manage an average of 20-25 fps which gives smooth performance with my low and slow flying, so there is no need to turn any of the sliders down.

 

I'll just have to live without stormy weather where I do get significant frame drop ..that is the main reason I wanted to give DX10 a try since I've been reading all the posts about all the improvements others are getting.

 

Rob

The reason is because you have two DISPLAY entries:

 

[DISPLAY.Device.Intel® HD Graphics.0]
Mode=1920x1080x32
TriLinear=1

 

[DISPLAY.Device.Intel® HD Graphics.0.0]
Mode=1920x1080x32

 

The ".0" is directx 9 and "0.0" is directx 10

Every DISPLAY entry you have in your cfg essentially splits up the frames; in this case you added a second one, the "0.0" which was when you selected directx 10 which halved your frame rate. Delete the second DISPLAY entry and whenever you want to switch to DX10, add a ".0" to the first one making it from [DISPLAY.Device.Intel® HD Graphics.0] to [DISPLAY.Device.Intel® HD Graphics.0.0]
 

The reason is because you have two DISPLAY entries:

 

[DISPLAY.Device.Intel® HD Graphics.0]

Mode=1920x1080x32

TriLinear=1

 

[DISPLAY.Device.Intel® HD Graphics.0.0]

Mode=1920x1080x32

 

The ".0" is directx 9 and "0.0" is directx 10

Every DISPLAY entry you have in your cfg essentially splits up the frames; in this case you added a second one, the "0.0" which was when you selected directx 10 which halved your frame rate. Delete the second DISPLAY entry and whenever you want to switch to DX10, add a ".0" to the first one making it from [DISPLAY.Device.Intel® HD Graphics.0] to [DISPLAY.Device.Intel® HD Graphics.0.0]

 

Thank you for that, I am grateful for all suggestions BUT it looks like I'll have to stick with Dx9 for now...or until I get a new rig

Like stated flying to normal airports with sliders maxed I get quite presentable frames 20-25.

 

So I thought I'd give it a try at an enhanced busy type airport with AI,On approach it gave 20-25 ....parked a bit less but it was doable and stutter free under Dx9.

Again with Dx10 frames down by half

 

 

 

 

Thank you

Rob

Edited September 22, 201312 yr by firehawk44
These images exceed the 1600W limits but not by much so will allow them to remain at least until your problem is resolved.

The question in your case is how your rig without graphic card is dealing with DX10?

 

I guess DX10 puts more load on your graphic chip and this demands more power from your CPU. With DX9 you're already riding on the edge of a stable system.

My suggestion is to stay with DX9 and think about upgrading your hardware. There should be at least a separate graphic card. A good graphic card can take a lot of load from FSX. Maybe you can OC your CPU and after you have a more powerful rig try DX10 again.

 

Spirit

The question in your case is how your rig without graphic card is dealing with DX10?

 

I guess DX10 puts more load on your graphic chip and this demands more power from your CPU. With DX9 you're already riding on the edge of a stable system.

My suggestion is to stay with DX9 and think about upgrading your hardware. There should be at least a separate graphic card. A good graphic card can take a lot of load from FSX. Maybe you can OC your CPU and after you have a more powerful rig try DX10 again.

 

Spirit

+1

 

I think you system is just not powerful enough to handle the graphics load under DX10. DX10 generally runs better because nowadays the GPU's are very strong and can easily handle what the CPU is throwing at it. But since you don't have a dedicated videocard, I think it's already 'flooded'.