WHATS GOING ON, HERE?!? Does DX10Fixer 'fix' a little more...like DX9?!?!?

[Sesquashtoo 2,846]

I would love to think that I could switch back to DX9 mode and keep the DX10 improvement to VAS. I would do that in a heartbeat, because (contrary to what others are seeing) the graphics in DX9 mode on my PC are superior (less shimmering of textures in the distance, better water, visible navigation and strobe lights on the AI planes, no flashing white dots at certain locations in the scenery etc).

Exactly,my opinion as well. I would always wish to have DX10 performance like the Fixer opens up to you,but the superior visuals of DX9. I seem to be getting the best of two worlds...am so seriously not playing with another thing regarding FSX. Chris, go back and forth using the Fixer at least three times as I did, and then stay with DX9 for a run, load up FSX to the max (Bloom,etc) and see if your FPS and DX10 smooth animation is mirrored. Good luck, and if so...back up and place system image in a safe place!

[Christopher Low 5,353]

If I decide to do it, it will be to test the VAS. That is the single, most important element for me.

[Sesquashtoo 2,846]

If I decide to do it, it will be to test the VAS. That is the single, most important element for me.

Agreed..No more OOM's for me' and now hours long flights are possible with FSX at max...

[FlyAndFight 37]

Sesquashtoo, could you please provide a print-screen of your Nvidia Inspector settings?  I would like to recreate your settings on my computer and see if I get the same results.  
 

Thanks!

[Q_flyer 766]

Oh well, if it's working for you Mitch, it's working for you! ........... The FSX world just get's stranger! :lol:

 

I do agree with Chris that on my system (I know all of our systems are very individualized) DX9 looks better overall, and has higher frames..... in fact the single only positive aspect I can evidence on my set-up is reduced potential for OOM.. (I use the word 'potential', because I don't really suffer OOMs in DX9!).

 

Reflecting honestly, DX10 has been a source of disillusion for me since the release of the Fixer, but I do not mean that as a dis-service to Steve at all.   I am pleased I bought it because I want to invest in the development of anything that could improve FSX.       Who knows, I might get a nVidia card tomorrow and a different system and be blown away by DX10! .... But at the moment, after a raft of tests, there is nothing at all in favour of using it over DX9 on my system.

[Sesquashtoo 2,846]

Sesquashtoo, could you please provide a print-screen of your Nvidia Inspector settings?  I would like to recreate your settings on my computer and see if I get the same results.  

 

Thanks!

Absolutely Alexander...and here is both my N.I. FSX cfg and also my DX9 FSX.cfg file

 

http://img.techpowerup.org/130927/nvidia_20130927_170313.png

 

I run a: 

CPU: i7-975 Extreme, at 4.02 GHz

1 EVGA Signature Plus Overclock GTX680 2 GB

12 megs of Crucial 1600 MHz RAM (not overclocked in any way)

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

I run my system (always have...and great FSX peformance) with HyperThreading as ON, hence my Job Scheduler settings....

I hope with this post, that everybody else who has been flipping back and forth a few times,....finds the same great Silverado Performance Mine....for there's silver up in them, thar hills! Oh..also, I have FSX's FPS limiter locked at 30 as I have my Vsync as Adaptive and at 1/2 refresh of my monitor which is 60 Hertz.

 

also, here is a copy of my FSX.cfg file:

 

[JOBSCHEDULER]

AffinityMask=84

[bufferPools]

PoolSize=0

[GRAPHICS]

HIGHMEMFIX=1

SHADER_CACHE_VERSION=3

SHADER_CACHE_PRIMED_10=1693458435

SHADER_CACHE_PRIMED=1693458435

D3D10=0

TEXTURE_MAX_LOAD=2048

TextureMaxLoad=30

NUM_LIGHTS=8

AIRCRAFT_SHADOWS=1

AIRCRAFT_REFLECTIONS=1

COCKPIT_HIGH_LOD=1

LANDING_LIGHTS=1

AC_SELF_SHADOW=0

EFFECTS_QUALITY=2

GROUND_SHADOWS=0

TEXTURE_QUALITY=3

IMAGE_QUALITY=0

See_Self=1

Text_Scroll=1

ForceFullScreenVSync=1

[sOUND]

AmbientUIMusicVolume=-6.000000

PrimaryDevice={DEF00000-9C6D-47ED-AAF1-4DDA8F2B5C03}

VoiceDevice={DEF00002-9C6D-47ED-AAF1-4DDA8F2B5C03}

SOUND=1

SOUND_QUALITY=2

SOUND_LOD=0

UISound=1

AmbientUI=0

SOUND_FADER1=0.330000

SOUND_FADER2=0.340000

SOUND_FADER3=0.340000

SOUND_FADER4=1.000000

AmbientUIMusic=FSX01

[Display]

ChangeTime=4.000000

TransitionTime=4.000000

ActiveWindowTitleTextColor=255,255,255

ActiveWindowTitleBackGroundColor=0,28,140,64

NonActiveWindowTitleTextColor=255,255,255

NonActiveWindowTitleBackGroundColor=24,33,87,64

InfoUpperRightTextColor=255,0,0

InfoUpperRightBackGroundColor=0,0,0,0

InfoLowerLeftTextColor=255,255,255

InfoLowerLeftBackGroundColor=255,0,0,128

InfoLowerRightTextColor=255,255,255

InfoLowerRightBackGroundColor=255,0,0,128

InfoBrakesEnable=True

InfoParkingBrakesEnable=True

InfoPauseEnable=True

InfoSlewEnable=True

InfoStallEnable=True

InfoOverspeedEnable=True

BLOOM_EFFECTS=1

SKINNED_ANIMATIONS=1

TEXTURE_BANDWIDTH_MULT=40

UPPER_FRAMERATE_LIMIT=30

WideViewAspect=True

TextureMaxLoad=3

[Main]

User Objects=Airplane, Helicopter

SimObjectPaths.0=SimObjects\Airplanes

SimObjectPaths.1=SimObjects\Rotorcraft

SimObjectPaths.2=SimObjects\GroundVehicles

SimObjectPaths.3=SimObjects\Boats

SimObjectPaths.4=SimObjects\Animals

SimObjectPaths.5=SimObjects\Misc

SimObjectPaths.6=ORBX\FTX_AU\FTXAI_AIRCRAFT

SimObjectPaths.7=MyTraffic\Aircraft

ProcSpeed=8568

PerfBucket=7

Maximized=1

Location=444,198,1476,964,\\.\DISPLAY1

HideMenuNormal=0

HideMenuFullscreen=1

FIBER_FRAME_TIME_FRACTION=0.15

[PANELS]

IMAGE_QUALITY=1

DEFAULT_VIEW=0

QUICKTIPS=1

PANEL_OPACITY=100

PANEL_MASKING=1

PANEL_STRETCHING=1

UNITS_OF_MEASURE=0

[Weather]

WindshieldPrecipitationEffects=1

MinGustTime=10

MaxGustTime=500

MinGustRampSpeed=1

MaxGustRampSpeed=200

MinVarTime=5

MaxVarTime=50

MinVarRampSpeed=10

MaxVarRampSpeed=75

TurbulenceScale=2.000000

WeatherServerAddress=fs2k.zone.com

WeatherServerPort=80

WeatherGraphDataInDialog=0

AdjustForMagVarInDialog=1

DynamicWeather=0

DownloadWindsAloft=0

DisableTurbulence=0

CLOUD_DRAW_DISTANCE=4

DETAILED_CLOUDS=1

CLOUD_COVERAGE_DENSITY=8

THERMAL_VISUALS=0

[CONTROLS]

Controls_Default=Standard

Controls_Current=Standard

KBDAIL=64

KBDELEV=64

KBDRUD=64

[TextInfo.1]

Latitude=1,1

Longitude=1,2

Altitude=1,3

Heading=1,4

AirSpeed=1,5

WindDirectionAndSpeed=1,6

[TextInfo.2]

FrameRate=1,1

LockedFrameRate=1,2

GForce=1,3

FuelPercentage=1,4

[TextInfo.3]

Latitude=1,1

Longitude=1,2

Altitude=1,3

Heading=1,4

AirSpeed=1,5

WindDirectionAndSpeed=1,6

FrameRate=2,1

LockedFrameRate=2,2

GForce=2,3

FuelPercentage=2,4

[slewTextInfo.1]

Latitude=1,1

Longitude=1,2

Altitude=1,3

Heading=1,4

AirSpeed=1,5

[slewTextInfo.2]

FrameRate=1,1

LockedFrameRate=1,2

[slewTextInfo.3]

Latitude=1,1

Longitude=1,2

Altitude=1,3

Heading=1,4

AirSpeed=1,5

FrameRate=2,1

LockedFrameRate=2,2

[DynamicHeadMovement]

LonAccelOnHeadLon=-0.020000

LonAccelOnHeadPitch=-0.010000

RollAccelOnHeadLat=0.010000

YawAccelOnHeadLat=-0.100000

RollAccelOnHeadRoll=0.100000

MaxHeadAngle=5.000000

MaxHeadOffset=0.300000

HeadMoveTimeConstant=1.000000

[VirtualCopilot]

VirtualCopilotActive=0

[uSERINTERFACE]

PageID=1

OpenATCOnCreate=0

SHOW_MISSION_CAPTIONS=1

PAUSE_ON_LOST_FOCUS=1

PROMPT_ON_EXIT=1

Map_Orientation=2

ShowAllACPaintSchemes=1

SelectAircraftManufacturer=All

SelectAircraftPublisher=All

SelectAircraftType=All

DisplayFuelAsWeight=0

[ATC]

ShowATCText=0

COMM_MSG_NONE_COLOR=FFFFFFFF

COMM_MSG_ATC_USER_COLOR=FFB6FFB6

COMM_MSG_USER_ATC_COLOR=FFFFD21B

COMM_MSG_ATC_AI_COLOR=FF00FF00

COMM_MSG_AI_ATC_COLOR=FFFF7840

AutoOpenAirTrafficWindow=1

UsePilotVoice=1

PilotVoice=262144

[PointOfInterestSystem]

CycleSetting=0

[sCENERY]

LENSFLARE=1

DAWN_DUSK_SMOOTHING=1

IMAGE_COMPLEXITY=4

SmallPartRejectRadius=1

[TrafficManager]

AirlineDensity=16

GADensity=16

FreewayDensity=16

ShipsAndFerriesDensity=0

LeisureBoatsDensity=0

IFROnly=0

AIRPORT_SCENERY_DENSITY=0

[TERRAIN]

TERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_TREES_PER_CELL=4500

TERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_BUILDINGS_PER_CELL=3000

LOD_RADIUS=6.500000

MESH_COMPLEXITY=100

MESH_RESOLUTION=25

TEXTURE_RESOLUTION=29

AUTOGEN_DENSITY=4

DETAIL_TEXTURE=1

WATER_EFFECTS=7

SWAP_WAIT_TIMEOUT=10

[AContain]

ShowLabels=0

ShowUserLabel=0

ShowLabelManufacturer=1

ShowLabelModel=1

ShowLabelTailNumber=0

ShowLabelDistance=1

ShowLabelAltitude=1

ShowLabelAirline=0

ShowLabelAirlineAndFlightNumber=0

ShowLabelFlightPlan=0

ShowLabelContainerId=0

ShowLabelAirspeed=0

ShowLabelHeading=0

LabelDelay=1000

LabelColor=FFFF0000

[iNTERNATIONAL]

ASLAT=2

ASLON=1

MEASURE=0

[REALISM]

PFactor=1.000000

Torque=1.000000

GyroEffect=1.000000

CrashTolerance=1.000000

General=1.000000

UnlimitedFuel=False

TrueAirspeed=False

AutoCoord=False

RealMixture=False

StressDamage=True

GEffect=True

ManualLights=True

GyroDrift=False

CrashWithDyn=True

CrashDetection=True

AutoTrim=False

[sIM]

SYSCLOCK=1

[sTARTUP]

DEMO=0

SHOW_OPENING_SCREEN=0

STARTUP_DEMO=

LoadWindow=1

[FACILITIES]

COUNTRY=

STATE=

CITY=

GTL_BUTTON=1471

[Misc]

Com_Rate=7

[FlightPlanMap]

LineWidth=2

SHOW_AIRPORTS=1

SHOW_VORS=1

SHOW_NDBS=1

SHOW_APPROACHES=1

SHOW_INTERSECTIONS=1

SHOW_VICTOR=0

SHOW_JET=0

SHOW_AIRSPACE=1

SHOW_FLIGHTPLAN=1

SHOW_WEATHERSTATIONS=1

SHOW_WEATHERSYSTEMS=1

SHOW_DATATAGS=1

SHOW_TERRAIN=1

show_waypoints=1

show_airways=1

show_markers=1

show_volume_boundaries=1

show_ac_twr=1

[RWW_WEATHER_MAP]

SHOW_AIRPORTS=0

SHOW_VORS=0

SHOW_NDBS=0

SHOW_APPROACHES=0

SHOW_INTERSECTIONS=0

SHOW_VICTOR=0

SHOW_JET=0

SHOW_AIRSPACE=0

SHOW_FLIGHTPLAN=1

SHOW_WEATHERSTATIONS=1

SHOW_WEATHERSYSTEMS=1

SHOW_DATATAGS=1

SHOW_TERRAIN=1

[FSDREAMTEAM]

AntiPopUp=30

AltitudeCull=1

[MAPVIEW_MAP]

SHOW_AIRPORTS=1

SHOW_VORS=1

SHOW_NDBS=1

SHOW_APPROACHES=1

SHOW_INTERSECTIONS=0

SHOW_VICTOR=0

SHOW_JET=0

SHOW_AIRSPACE=1

SHOW_FLIGHTPLAN=1

SHOW_WEATHERSTATIONS=1

SHOW_WEATHERSYSTEMS=1

SHOW_DATATAGS=1

SHOW_TERRAIN=1

show_flight_history=1

[DISPLAY.Device.NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680.0]

Mode=1920x1200x32

TriLinear=1

[MULTIPLAYER]

condAccoutPassword=0

VoiceVolume=2.000000

 

[Sesquashtoo 2,846]

Oh well, if it's working for you Mitch, it's working for you! ........... The FSX world just get's stranger! :lol:

 

I do agree with Chris that on my system (I know all of our systems are very individualized) DX9 looks better overall, and has higher frames..... in fact the single only positive aspect I can evidence on my set-up is reduced potential for OOM.. (I use the word 'potential', because I don't really suffer OOMs in DX9!).

 

Reflecting honestly, DX10 has been a source of disillusion for me since the release of the Fixer, but I do not mean that as a dis-service to Steve at all.   I am pleased I bought it because I want to invest in the development of anything that could improve FSX.       Who knows, I might get a nVidia card tomorrow and a different system and be blown away by DX10! .... But at the moment, after a raft of tests, there is nothing at all in favour of using it over DX9 on my system.

I TOTALLY hold your sentiments.  DX10 (via Steve's program) gave me a new sim.  If I had not discovered this morning, that that new sim has for whatever reason(?!?!?!?) also been passed down to DX9...then I would have stayed with DX10.  I'm going to be very honest here, and might offend some.....but:

 

In DX10, I never could achieve the clarity and shaprness of let's say, FSX Global...no matter what settings in the FSX.cfg or N.I. file.  Under DX9, you can see people almost swimming in those properties that have pools..and some do.  Also, there were features that I did not know I had lost in being under DX10 with my Carenado and other 3rd party purchases. I only found out that I had no off-set panel illumination lights, by only going back to DX9 for a curiosity check, and discovered that the lights were lit up...but not when I had the Bonanza under DX10. I then went to a few others, and found that this was also the case, as was strobe and navi lights. In DX9, they are irradiated and glow out of their housings. Under DX10, they are in 'need of a light bulb change'...lol.   Just other things as well.  I am NOT COMPLAINING.  I would have given the above observations up, for the benefit of DX10's FPS horsepower, and VAS operation.  But, having for the life of me...and not knowing why...but still , having the SAME GREAT PERFORMANCE now translated down to DX9, why in the world for myself, would I choose to cast DX9 and its 100 percent compatibility off like a rag.  So...I'm back to DX9, well let's call it my wicked and wild DX9 HYBRID (smile...), until I find that whatever happened, has gone away. I don't imagine it will, as I truly am no longer touching anything to do with a setting in FSX, or any FSX out-board co-running programs. I also immediately created a full system image...so have totally captured what it is that is causing this fabulous find. I hit the Silverado Mine load by buying and installing Steve's program, and whatever it did...or, whatever I DID, with it....was the best thing since sliced bread, and FSXG being released!!!!

 

Thanks Steve, for not only a great running and stable DX10....but LOLOLOL------------------------------------> for slipping under the front door, a new and improved DX9 HYBRID as an undocumented bonus!.  Oh, wow...but Life...................is.................GOOD!

 

 

[Christopher Low 5,353]

If your improvement in DX9 performance and VAS usage is genuine (and I am just being cautious here, rather than suggesting that you are in error), I would very much like to know the reason why that is the case.

[Sesquashtoo 2,846]

If your improvement in DX9 performance and VAS usage is genuine (and I am just being cautious here, rather than suggesting that you are in error), I would very much like to know the reason why that is the case.

I have absolutely no idea, but it is, what it is. Last night, after having the computer off for some time, I came back to it and took another flight out of a random airport, with the exact same results. I have FSX maxed out with Bloom producing between 27-30 FPS. Safe to say that I will not be touching anything further in the files I have posted on this thread,and FSX, of which I have running at the full gallop. My flight was 2.5 hours and landed, rather then the prior CTD's because of OOM related issues.

[FlyAndFight 37]

Thank you, my friend!    I'll work on trying to get my system working as well as your's.

 

 

 

Absolutely Alexander...and here is both my N.I. FSX cfg and also my DX9 FSX.cfg file

 

http://img.techpowerup.org/130927/nvidia_20130927_170313.png

 

 

 

 

[brucek 38]

Hi Mitch,

 

You have TexrureMaxLoad=3 under [Display], and TexturemaxLoad=30 under [GRAPHICS]. Which is correct (I assume one or the other is redundant). I have always seen it under [Display], but could that additional entry under [GRAPHICS] have soemthing to do with this?

 

Thanks, Bruce.

[Sesquashtoo 2,846]

Thank you, my friend!    I'll work on trying to get my system working as well as your's.

Alexander, as I posted...WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON>>>>>>   

 

I dunno.....but, it is real, on my system. I am flying multiple hours, no sweat...and at full FSX capacity....with the same FPS, as per DX10 after Steve's install.  Prior to that install, and fooling around with this 'n that...what I am getting from DX9 was UTTERLY IMPOSSIBLE.  No way, no how.  So...'something' happened.  I am absolutely not touching or clicking off one thing in FSX from now on.  Why in the world...would I ever need to?!?!?    Nothing gets touched on N.I. and no further update from my nVidia 314.22 driver suite.  I'm done...and have captured my system as it is now, to a outboard hard drive.  If anything screws up, and my DX9 performance goes to what you would normally get....I'll merely reimport the system image, and away I go again....  What I have is sheer gold, man...and I'm not going to even sneeze near it, lol!

 

Now...let's take another DX9 Hybrid flight...and have a blast!......

Hi Mitch,

 

You have TexrureMaxLoad=3 under [Display], and TexturemaxLoad=30 under [GRAPHICS]. Which is correct (I assume one or the other is redundant). I have always seen it under [Display], but could that additional entry under [GRAPHICS] have soemthing to do with this?

 

Thanks, Bruce.

Jeez...good eye....and I didn't even notice that....and also...where that entry came from...again...I don't know, if it truly isn't a kosher thing.  Who knows, Brucek, but obviously there is something that has happened with my fooling around...dropping between DX9 and DX10 at least three or four times.....perhaps my config got 'adulterated'...and THAT might be the undocumented kick-in-the-pants of what I am getting from DX9.   Brucek, I am flying AS LONG AS I WANT...and with FSX full bore.  This should normally not be happening at all on my system. I had CTD's and OOM's no later than 30 minutes into a flight more often than not.   I have been using FSX as per my posted .cfg file (you can clearly see that Bloom is enabled, as everything else....) for two days now...with one 4.07 hour flight, and another 2.5 hour flight.  BOTH TOUCHED THE NUMBERS at the destination airport!!!!   Like I said in another post or three...I'm finished with any tweaking, adding, checking features on, checking features off....and any further updating of my stellar nVidia driver suite 314.22 (which by the way, has fabulous clarity in driving a GTX680 2GB card)  I announce today, that I am retiring from my TWEAKING job....and just am going to fly to a good fishing hole...and fish......fly.....fly....fish.

 

One HAPPY CAMPER, who doesn't have a CLUE what happened....but truly won't lose sleep in not knowing....

[Nemo 1,305]

Any new on this. Which settings should I use in dx10 and then in dx9 trying to reproduce your findings?

 

Harry

[Sesquashtoo 2,846]

Any new on this. Which settings should I use in dx10 and then in dx9 trying to reproduce your findings?

 

Harry

Nope, nothing new, Harry...same great performance over the last 3-4 days!  If you want, just use what you can from my FSX.cfg posted here...and my N.I.  That's about it...I haven't touched anything, and am getting fabulous results with our old buddy, DX9.....

[Nemo 1,305]

Nope, nothing new, Harry...same great performance over the last 3-4 days!  If you want, just use what you can from my FSX.cfg posted here...and my N.I.  That's about it...I haven't touched anything, and am getting fabulous results with our old buddy, DX9.....

 

Mitch, am I right that you use only one(!) fsx.cfg  and one(!) NI setting for both, dx9 and dx10. Do you switch between dx10/dx9 using the dx10 scenery fixer?

 

I am asking this because I am using a dual set-up which allows me to use fsx.exe (calling fsx.cfg) -> goes to dx10 and fsx_dx9.exe (calling fsx_dx9.cfg) -> goes to dx9. Together with two new NI profiles which have different executables (fsx.exe, respectively fsx_dx9.exe) I can totally separate my dx9 and dx10 settings without permanently changing it. The executable file fsx_dx9.exe is simply a renamed copy of the original fsx.exe in the fsx main folder. A desktop link to fsx_dx9.exe can than be modified to call the corresponding configuration file. This is simply done by adding "/fsx_dx9.cfg" in the "properties" window of the  desktop link in the "target" line.

 

I am not sure if I really see any difference running dx9 compared to the time before I installed and used the dx10 scenery fixer. Maybe using such complete isolated settings could help you (us) to figure this out.

 

It would also be interesting to know if 'normal' switching between dx10 and dx9 using the dx10 scenery fixer does anything else than setting dx10=1 or dx10=0 in the fsx.cfg.

 

Cheers,

Harry