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I recently rewired my flight controls from parallel port to USB. For this, I cannibalized a USB-joystick and used 10 audio kOhm linear faders as pots (parallel was using 100 kOhm).

 

Unfortunately, I am getting quite a lot of jitter from those pots, and I am thinking of changing all over again and going for a Leo Bodnar product such as this:

 

http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=67&products_id=180

 

However, Leo advises against using audio pots and makes some recommendations for suppliers. Unfortunately, these suppliers only offer rotary pots.

 

I would be glad for any advice about where to buy linear sliding pots (faders) with good quality to eliminate jitter. If you can recommend a source for rotary pots, I will gladly take your advice, too.

 

Best regards,

Holger

 

 


Holger TillmannSIM: FS9/2004 // FSX<p>CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 4x3.40GHz (for FSX OCed to 4.2), GPU: ASUS GTX 760 Direct CU II OC, GeForce® 9800 GTX +MB: ASRock Z87 Extreme6 Z87 DDR3RAM: Crucial 4GB PC3-12800 DDR3-1600 CL8 Ballistix Tactical

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Mouser, Allied Electronics, and Newark Electronics all come to mind.

 

If you're using Leo Bodnar's boards, they work very well with Hall Effect sensors...I had a lot of fun converting my six-lever PFC throttle quadrant from linear pots that were always wearing out to HE sensors.

 

Cheers


Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

System1 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS @ 6.0GHz, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@30Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU, 1.2Gbps internet
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys2 (MSFS/XPlane): i9-10900K @ 5.1GHz, 32GB 3600/15, nVidia RTX4090FE, Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, EVGA 1000P2
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, 2x TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Portable Sys3 (P3Dv4/FSX/DCS): i9-9900K @ 5.0 Ghz, Noctua NH-D15, 32GB 3200/16, EVGA RTX3090, Dell S2417DG 24" GSync
Corsair RM850x PSU, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog HOTAS, Coolermaster HAF XB case

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Bob, would you believe that I have always dreamt of something like Hall Effekt Sensors, but did not know they existed (well, actually in my dreams I was thinking up something with infrared)?

 

Can I acquire these sensors at the places you mention in the first line of your reply?

 

And do I have to look for certain specifications like linear, certain amount of kOhm?

 

Kind regards,

Holger


Holger TillmannSIM: FS9/2004 // FSX<p>CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 4x3.40GHz (for FSX OCed to 4.2), GPU: ASUS GTX 760 Direct CU II OC, GeForce® 9800 GTX +MB: ASRock Z87 Extreme6 Z87 DDR3RAM: Crucial 4GB PC3-12800 DDR3-1600 CL8 Ballistix Tactical

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I have read up a bit on the topic and found this very helpful:

 

http://www.jpfiles.com/hardware/uni_stick.pdf

 

So if I understand the concept correctly, the sensor "reads" according to the variation in angle. Since I am planning to replace sliding pots - is there also a similar device which would read variation in distance?

 

Best regards,

Holger


Holger TillmannSIM: FS9/2004 // FSX<p>CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 4x3.40GHz (for FSX OCed to 4.2), GPU: ASUS GTX 760 Direct CU II OC, GeForce® 9800 GTX +MB: ASRock Z87 Extreme6 Z87 DDR3RAM: Crucial 4GB PC3-12800 DDR3-1600 CL8 Ballistix Tactical

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I have read up a bit on the topic and found this very helpful:

 

http://www.jpfiles.com/hardware/uni_stick.pdf

 

So if I understand the concept correctly, the sensor "reads" according to the variation in angle. Since I am planning to replace sliding pots - is there also a similar device which would read variation in distance?

 

Best regards,

Holger

I use Allegro A1321EUA HE sensors (less than $2 each) in various configurations to measure either angle or linear travel. The IC "reads" the strength of a magnetic field across its sensor, nothing more. So some understanding of how measured field strength changes as a function of distance and angle is necessary...it's not necessarily as simple as just buying a sensor and mounting it. In the case of the aileron and elevator axes, I was able to use a commercial off-the-shelf rotary HE sensor to replace the pots in the PFC yoke.

 

On my modified PFC rudder pedals, I use an HE sensor mounted above a 1/2" neodymium cube magnet to measure angular rotation, and I also use a couple of the same sensors mounted off the ends of a 1/4" x 1/8" neodymium disc magnet to measure linear brake pedal movement. In the case of the brake pedal sensors, I wrote a software driver that transforms the nonlinear response of measured magnetic field as a function of distance between the magnet and sensor to a linear measure of movement, using FSUIPC to both read the raw value from the BU0836X joystick axis and then to write the converted value out to the brake axis in FSX.

 

In my throttle quadrant, I use HE sensors that are moved linearly by the lever between two opposing 1/2" magnets...the response is semi-linear, but I also run a driver doing a real-time transform to make the axis input to the sim nearly perfectly linear across the range of travel.

 

It was a fun project...and a fair bit of work. But now I have a set of flight controls, including a floor-mount yoke, a six-lever throttle quad, and rudder pedals with proportional brakes, using HE sensors on every axis and with response as smooth as a baby's behind. And with no pots wearing out, I don't expect to have to change these out for a very long time. I now keep a couple spare BU0836X joystick boards and a box of HE sensors around just to play with...I'm sure I will come up with some new ways to use these in the future.

 

Cheers


Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

System1 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS @ 6.0GHz, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@30Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU, 1.2Gbps internet
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys2 (MSFS/XPlane): i9-10900K @ 5.1GHz, 32GB 3600/15, nVidia RTX4090FE, Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, EVGA 1000P2
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, 2x TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Portable Sys3 (P3Dv4/FSX/DCS): i9-9900K @ 5.0 Ghz, Noctua NH-D15, 32GB 3200/16, EVGA RTX3090, Dell S2417DG 24" GSync
Corsair RM850x PSU, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog HOTAS, Coolermaster HAF XB case

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All right, I ordered the parts, and I am ready to experiment. As far as the wiring is concerned, woul 0.5 mm (0.02") stranded wire be ok? Or would this be too thick?

 

Best,

Holger


Holger TillmannSIM: FS9/2004 // FSX<p>CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 4x3.40GHz (for FSX OCed to 4.2), GPU: ASUS GTX 760 Direct CU II OC, GeForce® 9800 GTX +MB: ASRock Z87 Extreme6 Z87 DDR3RAM: Crucial 4GB PC3-12800 DDR3-1600 CL8 Ballistix Tactical

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I have been using 22 ga (0.025") hookup wire in my Hall setups and it works fine.

 

Regards


Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

System1 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS @ 6.0GHz, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@30Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU, 1.2Gbps internet
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys2 (MSFS/XPlane): i9-10900K @ 5.1GHz, 32GB 3600/15, nVidia RTX4090FE, Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, EVGA 1000P2
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, 2x TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Portable Sys3 (P3Dv4/FSX/DCS): i9-9900K @ 5.0 Ghz, Noctua NH-D15, 32GB 3200/16, EVGA RTX3090, Dell S2417DG 24" GSync
Corsair RM850x PSU, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog HOTAS, Coolermaster HAF XB case

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