Serious issue with ATI and Steves DX10 fix? Tears and Spikes everywhere

[Michael Moe 494]

If I were to buy a new card today, then yes. But I'm not willing to sell my 7970 just for a DX10 effect thats not really that important. FSX has been working for me for years, so no harm in using DX9 until DX11 and P3Dv2 is out:-)

 

 

 

My topmenus in windowed mode in FSX is not high resolution in DX9 with my HD7970 and i think AA is not working. How is your setup here ?

 

Michael Moe

[Bionor 44]

I don't use AA from within FSX, I let SweetFX take care of that part(SMAA). Not sure about my menus since I'm in "fullscreen". I put "" because I use FS Simitizer to emulate Windowed mode to Fullscreen(kinda like P3Dv2 will), but now that you mention it, theres has always been something off with the text in the menus. I don't use them that much so really never cared either...

[yorgosGK 7]

I don't use AA from within FSX, I let SweetFX take care of that part(SMAA). Not sure about my menus since I'm in "fullscreen". I put "" because I use FS Simitizer to emulate Windowed mode to Fullscreen(kinda like P3Dv2 will), but now that you mention it, theres has always been something off with the text in the menus. I don't use them that much so really never cared either...

Does useing smaa for ur aa increase performance at all for u?

 

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[xnaron 0]

I have the exact same problem!  I was worried it was something wrong with my setup as this is a new build for fsx.  I am actually relieved to see someone else having the same issue. My hardware:

-Asus z87-a with i5-4670k 

-Asus Direct CU II HD7970 13-4 and latest 13-11 beta drivers tried

-16GB ram

-Windows 8 64 bit.

- FSX maxed out on everything in graphics and preview direct x10 checked.

- 3 monitors using active dp to dvi running 5760x1080

 

FSX and windows 8 are both clean installs. No add-ons and have never used Steve's fixer.

 

Here is how I can trigger it almost immediately.

- free flight with f-18 at honolulu international 

-time set to day

I launch the flight then go in and change the weather to heavy thunderstorm.  Almost immediately I will start getting the spikes and tears after takeoff.

 

Edit:  After finally reading this thread I am sad to see there is no solution yet.  I haven't started looking at nvidia yet but if they support multiple monitors like eyefinity I am willing to give it a try.  

[yorgosGK 7]

After finally reading this thread I am sad to see there is no solution yet. I haven't started looking at nvidia yet but if they support multiple monitors like eyefinity I am willing to give it a try.

Unfortunatly no solution yet :( The only fix if u have an ATI card is go back to DX9 ..... its a shame....i cant beleive a whole community has been trouble shooting this thing and we haven't found an official fix....

 

The only thing that helps at the moment (but not full proof) is setting water to low 2x and un-checking the water shader in the fix (to last even longer without artifacts).....

 

Keep trouble shooting boys! Dont give up. We have another member doing tests now

 

Cheers.

 

 

 

 

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[Michael Moe 494]

Yesterday EFHK- EKCH and spikes and artifacts 20 minutes after takeoff over water with the water at low x 1 and autogen on Dense .Weather at 70nm and High cloud settings (not Very High) then.... ..

 

.....restarted my PC and did a new test in EKCH array with absolut everything maxed out in FSX even all traffic at 100% and still got 19-26fps in the NGX up and running with no spikes at all and 2 overflying RWY 04L over water. Dammn it looked good but 100% roadtraffic is a killer :-) 

 

The Change i did was :

 

Bufferpools

Usepools=1 (No rejecttreshold for now anyway)

 

Will test this some more tonight . Steve has also a tecnical section regarding Bufferpools on his site.

[cvearl 60]

If I were to buy a new card today, then yes. But I'm not willing to sell my 7970 just for a DX10 effect thats not really that important. FSX has been working for me for years, so no harm in using DX9 until DX11 and P3Dv2 is out:-)

 

My position as well I guess. That said. I am a single monitor user and in DX10 mode I am fine as long as I stick to 4xAA and Water Low 2x and Cloud density High. Then I have super crazy smooth and slightly improved AA over equivalent AA in DX9.

 

The only thing I like/need from DX10 is the ability to fly heavy airports like KSFF in HD Plane models with fps pinned at 30 and glass smooth. Had it not been for this, I would have gone back to DX9 and forgot about it.

 

I had an overclocked GTX660ti and that same flight at the same settings would result in fps fluctuating in the mid to low 20's and less than smooth TrackIR panning. Which is why I jumped to the 7970. 

 

Definitely the GTX780 ($659) will be an upgrade over the 7970 ($349). It will (and should) blow your mind! You can push the AA higher and pinned at 30 under some heave heavy scenery. I cannot afford that level of card personally. If I had to upgrade to nVidia just for flight sim, I draw the line at no lower than the GTX770 ($439). It's better for FSX than the 7970 (more or less relative to the price difference). Regardless of branding, you get what you paid for.

 

But I strongly recommend waiting a few weeks. Price drops are coming big time I think in the next 30 - 60 days...

 

http://www.legitreviews.com/benchmarks-amd-radeon-r9-290x-versus-nvidia-geforce-gtx780_126653

 

Interesting few months coming.

 

Charles.

[Paul J 349]

Bufferpools

Usepools=1 (No rejecttreshold for now anyway)

 

Will test this some more tonight . Steve has also a tecnical section regarding Bufferpools on his site.

 

Here you go, Michael. Buffers, BufferPools, and Vertices...  

 

All the best,

 

peej

[cvearl 60]

Here you go, Michael. Buffers, BufferPools, and Vertices...  

 

All the best,

 

peej

 

So Paul... BP=1 means FSX defaults unless you plug in RT numbers and so on?

 

C.

[xnaron 0]

I was lucky enough to still be in the position to exchange my 7970.  I exchanged it for an asus gtx 780 direct cuii card.  I have everything setup for multiple monitors and the framerate is smoother than the 7970.  I have everything cranked up to max.  It cost me $330 more but to me it was worth it.

 

I hope you guys with 7970's get this issue sorted soon.  I know how frustrating it is.  

 

Take care,

Brendin

[Michael Moe 494]

Gents , (ATI) please help me test this, the main differents is still Usepools=1.

 

So far my EFHK-EKCH and my normal stress scenario at Edinburgh to Glasgow would be a disaster BUT none did accour with the settings below.

 

 

 

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[Paul J 349]

So Paul... BP=1 means FSX defaults unless you plug in RT numbers and so on?

 

C.

Yes, though it's a qualified 'yes', as it's still more complicated that I have described it in the doc. Current documentation is sparse, but from all that I've read, Charles - unless it is configured via the fsx.cfg - the DirectX algorithm will create dynamic shared buffers - and it will also create static buffers, too - without any explanation as to why it does (from Steve's comments), and I think - because of this and the increased power of the recent wash of high-performance CPU's - it is possible to easily overload a low-mid range GPU - which will certainly result in buffer overload, ergo graphics corruption. Of course - poor control by bad drivers may also cause this too, I don't know. Nvidia seems to have mastered this issue over the last ten years, for our unique FSX world.

I reckon the only adequate method of artifacting control lies with the user, in pulling back the heavy clouds, traffic, 4096 textures, high levels of AA (24x ???), etc...I can make the 780 artifact any time I need a demo!

It may well be that a particular combination of setting set this phenomenon off, but it looks like it's being a heck of a challenge for you ATI guys.

 

All the Best,

 

pj

 

Edit:, as I see Michael's new post above - using Bojote's Tweaker Tool. The use of BP=0 or a 1 does not "turn on" or "turn off" the use of pools of vertex or index buffers. "0" merely describes one end of a buffer tuning system, the other end - "1" - being fully dynamic with no RT. 

[cvearl 60]

I was lucky enough to still be in the position to exchange my 7970.  I exchanged it for an asus gtx 780 direct cuii card.  I have everything setup for multiple monitors and the framerate is smoother than the 7970.  I have everything cranked up to max.  It cost me $330 more but to me it was worth it.

 

I hope you guys with 7970's get this issue sorted soon.  I know how frustrating it is.  

 

Take care,

Brendin

 

This is still DX10 were talking here. Otherwise DX9 was perfectly fine.

 

C.

[cvearl 60]

Well. I have settled on some settings where I do not get the spikes at all so far after a few nights of long flights in ORBX PNW in a few planes. Baytower RV7, A2A 172, Duke V 2.0 and so on.

 

Virgin CFG

Only Wideviewaspect=true, highmemfix **EDIT** I did NOT have BP=0 in the config. So really virgin there.

Fixer at 4xAA and Driver at Supersample

Locked at 30 via RP, FSX set to unlimited.

 

Single 27" monitor in full screen. I use a tablet for all my charts and BS.

 

KSFF (ORBX payware) to CYVR. Well over an hour flight. Also KHQM to CYVR was fine too.

I kept my weather reasonable. Mostly Cloudy but not Overcast. 40 mile vis.

Scenery and AG at Very Dense and Dense.

Water 2x Low

Cloud distance 60 miles

Cloud density High

Cars and plane traffic 5% and 7% and boats about 10% (Or turn em off for more stability)

Everything else more or less maxed out.

 

Not a spike in site. Of course, All I have to do is go to 8xAA or try to set the water at Medium or High and I will get the spikes within 5 minutes normally. So I will just stick with the above as my standby for DX10.

 

Sweet mother of pearl it's smmooooottthhhhh. Locked at 30 fps in the pattern at ORBX KSFF (Spokane) with semi cloudy weather in the Duke. Love it.  

 

Charles.

[Michael Moe 494]

After almost 4 HOURS KLAX-LFPG as AFR69 i got the corrupted textures again in the PMDG 777 even at Normal Autogen and Usepools=1

 

URK!! What poolsize do you recommend or rejecttreshold ?