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Serious issue with ATI and Steves DX10 fix? Tears and Spikes everywhere

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Well I have a I7 4770k @ 4.22ghz and an ati R9 290X 4GB, 16gb ram, ssd's the lot.

 

I too have the shader issue as seen in my own video here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL9YRevSHmg

 

Tried new drivers, tried old drivers even tried downgrading to windows 7 (from 8.1) and this hasn't fixed anything either. Tried all sorts of config settings to no avail. No issues at all on DX9. I have settings in the Cat control centre because the sim looks horrid without them. 

 

I thought it was just me with these issues but i am absolutely staggered beyond belief that its an ati thing. 

 

I would say my machine is more than powerful enough to run fsx and achieve a better than average result. Its definitely not an overstressing/overheating issue as my fans kick in at the slightest hint of heavy resource usage. Ive rolled back to DX9 as I simply cannot fly with spikes and tearing. 

 

Dan

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Dan,

 

I know how you feel. As in this topic i testet almost a month with bad result eventually.

 

My advise for you is to switch to Nvidia . The smoothneeth is just so much better even in DX9.

 

Take my word for it (i switch HD7970GHZ to GTX780SC)

 

Michael

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Well I have a I7 4770k @ 4.22ghz and an ati R9 290X 4GB, 16gb ram, ssd's the lot.

 

I too have the shader issue as seen in my own video here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL9YRevSHmg

 

Tried new drivers, tried old drivers even tried downgrading to windows 7 (from 8.1) and this hasn't fixed anything either. Tried all sorts of config settings to no avail. No issues at all on DX9. I have settings in the Cat control centre because the sim looks horrid without them. 

 

I thought it was just me with these issues but i am absolutely staggered beyond belief that its an ati thing. 

 

I would say my machine is more than powerful enough to run fsx and achieve a better than average result. Its definitely not an overstressing/overheating issue as my fans kick in at the slightest hint of heavy resource usage. Ive rolled back to DX9 as I simply cannot fly with spikes and tearing. 

 

Dan

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Dan,

 

I know how you feel. As in this topic i testet almost a month with bad result eventually.

 

My advise for you is to switch to Nvidia . The smoothneeth is just so much better even in DX9.

 

Take my word for it (i switch HD7970GHZ to GTX780SC)

 

Michael

 

 

If you want DX10 mode FSX you have to go nVidia. True.

 

DX9 works flawless and smooth as glass on ATI though. But I understand people might want the cockpit shadows (the only real difference I was ever able to detect)

 

P3Dv2.0 is DX11 and also works with ATI. But fps is no where near as good as DX9 regardless of having either ATI or nVidia.

 

Don't get me wrong. I am also in the camp of ticked off ATI users when it comes to FSX DX10. I know this broke in a driver last year and I know that our tiny community is not asking ATI to fix it or they would have. Our hobby is too obscure to make them simply care that DX10 "Preview" does not work with their drivers.

 

Ah well. If the GTX780's price tag was not retarded, I would have bought one. FSX should NOT need a $500 card. Period. And buying a $350 equivalent to replace my 7970GHZ (the GTX770) so I can have cockpit shadows is also stupid when everything else works perfectly as advertised.

 

And ATI? Thanks for the price fixing. Your $300 R9 290 is still $450. Rip off city.

 

Charles.

If ATI users would like AMD to fix this they should make it known to AMD. I have a few times but 1 user reporting this will get ignored.

 

http://www.amdsurveys.com/se.ashx?s=5A1E27D25AD12B25

 

Want change? Make it.

 

C.

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It's simply not true that you have to go to Nvidia. You just have to use the older drivers with ATI. 

Since I have switched back to 12.10 the spikes and artifacts are gone.

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It's simply not true that you have to go to Nvidia. You just have to use the older drivers with ATI. 

Since I have switched back to 12.10 the spikes and artifacts are gone.

 

While technically true unless you only use your PC for Flight Sim you really do need the newer drivers.  Like Charles i have posted and asked ATI for a fix, not a chance we'll get it.

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P3Dv2.0 is DX11 and also works with ATI. But fps is no where near as good as DX9 regardless of having either ATI or nVidia.

 

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P3Dv2 with DX11 on AMD is way faster than FSX with FX9 (at least on my R290). DX10 in FSX is also faster and smoother than DX9, but is unusable from some time (for me since Windows 8 update to 8.1 and new drivers)
I don't care about old drivers, new 14.4 gave me huge boost in DCS: World and new graphics engine is around the corner.

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I submitted the issue through the form, and also posted my disappointment on AMD forums.
Meanwhile, I have something that can help you to slow down the spikes (I hope so). Here it follows:

 

fsx.cfg         by my experience, these are the settings which impact most on vertex corruption

 

[Display]

TEXTURE_BANDWIDTH_MULT=70        // or less. The lower TBM is, the later spikes will appear
TextureMaxLoad=6

 

[TrafficManager]
AirlineDensity=0
GADensity=0
FreewayDensity=0
ShipsAndFerriesDensity=0
LeisureBoatsDensity=0
IFROnly=0
AIRPORT_SCENERY_DENSITY=0

[bUFFERPOOLS]
RejectThreshold=262144
UsePools=1
Poolsize=3900000000         // this as you know is personal choice

ADDONS

- PMDG and Majestic Q400

- FTX Global and Vector
- REX4 (all textures to 1024)

- Shade

- DX10 Fixer (AA 4x, everything default)

- RadeonPRO for VSync

 

AMD driver is 14.6 RC. With these settings, I was able to fly 2 hours without spikes. I noticed that cloud layers and quantity are related to the problem. Bad weather with several cloud layers will make the issue to appear sooner.

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Personally I'd leave the poolsize alone, and afaik TextureMaxLoad=6 is already FSX default.

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just back from a 1 hour flight with dense clouds, water settings at 7 (max) B)

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I had to rebuild my PC recently due to a OS crash, and as I was rebuilding my FSX, I noticed that my framerates increased significantly with no spikes. Then I noticed when I loaded up EZDOK v1.17, it all started to happen again. Tried all sorts of tweaks, no joy. Dropped it to DX9, framerates took a massive hit. Reloaded Steve's DX10 fix, framerates jumped right back up. Removed EZDOK and it's all sweet, no spikes or corruption!

 

Will keep experimenting.

 

System: i3570K, overclocked to 4.6GHz, stable.

16Gig RAM

ATI Radeon XFX HD7850, 2GB

FSX on Samsung 840 Pro 256Gb SSD

3 x Dell 2320 23" 1920 x 1080 screens (5760 x 1080 in Eyefinity)

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AMD CCC version 14.4.

 

I did a little more testing and it seems the default FSX C172 is also causing the spikes when I set the weather to major thunderstorms, strangely enough. I also tried the FSX Cessna Grand Caravan and PMDG 737 NGX in DX10 and it's fine. Then I reloaded EZDOK 1.16 and REX Essentials + Overdrive, still no issues. 

 

Going to load up GSX next and do more tweaking the fsx.cfg over the next few days and see what happens.

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OK, GSX loaded, and I've also reverted back to CCC 12.8. All options ticked in Steve's DX10 fixer, and flying the stock FSX C172 without any spikes or tears! Cranking along at 30fps locked on 3 screens. Now to tweak my fsx just that > < little bit more...  :-)

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I use DX10 and "Steves fix" and I almost never get spikes. But I do get them on the FSX mission "Rocket Launch Air Cover" when near the shoreline in Florida and near KLAX when doing free flight.

I'm positive it is directly linked to CPU overload do to excess Autogen. Because this happens at the shoreline in both cases, I', guessing the high water settings are helping to max CPU.

I have all my graphic settings at max and run at a constant 30 FPS. (Locked) setting.

Now I don't get them as bad in the above areas with the new "Omega" Driver for my 2 Sapphire 7950's.

I hope the new driver helps some of you. 

I have a pretty decent system and I get them too. No one is immune if they want all sliders to the right.
Computer Specs: Intel Core i7-3820 Sandy Bridge - E / 3.6GHz, Cache Memory 10MB L3 cache, Liquid cooled. Memory is 32GB of RAM, Video cards are 2 x 3GB AMD Radeon/Saphire HD 7950, Hard drives are 512GB Samsung Pro SSD Main Drive and a 60GB back up SSD. Also have 2 x 2TB HDD hard drive and 500GB HDD

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@Alex155
It's the new AMD Catalyst Omega driver.
Info / download page: http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/technologies-gaming/catalyst

Update: I no longer have tears in the above mentioned area with the new driver. So they did something correct.

I do still get those Black squares that will appear and disappear very quickly from time to time. But since using the new driver I have not seen tears.

I hope you all get the same results. 

 

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@Alex155

It's the new AMD Catalyst Omega driver.

Info / download page: http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/technologies-gaming/catalyst

 

Update: I no longer have tears in the above mentioned area with the new driver. So they did something correct.

 

I do still get those Black squares that will appear and disappear very quickly from time to time. But since using the new driver I have not seen tears.

 

I hope you all get the same results. 

 

 

 

I might try DX10 mode again. Been a while

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@cvearl I really enjoy your posts! : )

Yes, I still wholeheartedly believe that DX10 is the best way to go...If you have the Steve fix and the couple other fixes applied out there.

I don't even have the best processor, being at 3.6GHz (not overclocked)  and I get better frames then most without DX10 installed. (All graphic sliders to the right) Air traffic at 80% using My Traffic 2013). DX10 just displaces a lot of the load that normally would be piled onto the the already overworked processor and measly 4 GB of memory. 

It's just needed if you are into running a ton of add-ons and are thirsty for eye candy.

Give the Catalyst a try. It's working for me. I should mention that I do use Crossfire. So  results may be different for you if you are not.

 

Computer Specs: Intel Core i7-3820 Sandy Bridge - E / 3.6GHz, Cache Memory 10MB L3 cache, Liquid cooled. Memory is 32GB of RAM. Video card is two 3GB AMD Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 cards. (6GB of video card via Crossfire) Hard drives are 500GB Samsung Pro SSD Main Drive. Also have 2TB HDD hard drive and 500GB HDD, Audio Output Integrated - High Definition 7.1 Channel Audio, 12 in 1 Media Card Reader, USB 3.0, & Win 7 Professional 64-Bit

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Isn't this the 14.501.1003.0 version video drivers ?

 

AMD Catalyst Packages Name File Size Revision Number Release Date Download Link Catalyst Software Suite 288 MB Omega (14.12) 12/9/2014

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@TerryT Yes, I think you have the correct one.
Driver Packaging Version 14.501.1003-141120a-177998C
Catalyst Version 14.12 AMD Catalyst Omega Software
Provider Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
2D Driver Version 8.01.01.1443
Direct3D Version 9.14.10.01080
OpenGL Version 6.14.10.13283
Mantle Driver Version 9.1.10.0045
Mantle API Version 98304
AMD Catalyst Control Center Version 2014.1120.2123.38423
AMD Audio Driver Version 7.12.0.7719

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Reduce your graphic settings and all will be well again.

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