P3D Priceing

[voodoo101 21]

I know that this question is going to start a multitude of comments from both sides, a lot of arguing and I'm sure some trolling, but I just had to ask. 

 

This is a question to PMDG. With so many developers such as Aerosoft, Majestic, FS Dreamteam, OrbX, FSinsider and many others releasing either P3D installer updates, updates to software to make them P3D compatible or migration tools, will PMDG now please rethink the idea of releasing a separate P3D versions. Having purchased a licence for the 777 for FSX, I really do not want to have to pay again to be able to move P3D if I wish. At the moment I am happy with FSX, but I know the time will come when I have to choose between a moving everything to P3D or having a complete fresh start with X-Plane.

 

Let's get ready to RUMBLE....

[AirbusCG 52]

Craig,

 

have you tried reading the pinned threads?

This one for example: http://forum.avsim.net/topic/426978-pmdgs-p3d-development-status-fact-thread-updated-25nov13/

[Lawy 28]

 

[RWFeldman 159]

I despise using that dumb button. I Like your pint in your Avatar Lawrence

[scandinavian13 5,192]

 

 

Having purchased a licence for the 777 for FSX, I really do not want to have to pay again to be able to move P3D if I wish. At the moment I am happy with FSX, but I know the time will come when I have to choose between a moving everything to P3D or having a complete fresh start with X-Plane.

 

Take a look here:

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/427010-multi-platform-pricing-policy-expectations-fsxp3dxplane/

 

Always have a look at the stickied threads before posting.  It helps to avoid unnecessary questions and duplicate topics.

[voodoo101 21]

So we have a dumb button for all the above post. If somebody could please tell me where on the sticked post that it states,"people who purchased the FSX version of the 777 or NGX, will not have to pay for any licence.", oh sorry IT DOES NOT. 

 

What it says is;

 

"Licensing and Use:

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Unlike products developed on the Microsoft Flight Simulator X (FSX) platform, products on the P3D platform will be offered with a range of licensing options.  These options will initially include only a General Study, Education/Academic-STEM and Familiarization licensing model but will eventually expand to include licensing models to cover training, classroom training and training center/airline site license versions.

 

Customer Licensing for General and Personal Training licenses will be handled directly through PMDG's current eCommerce portal.  All other licensing options will be handled on customer-specific non-public portals.

 

Costs for licensing of P3D based products will vary based upon the license model chosen and the desired use.  This will enable PMDG customers to choose a range of cost options based upon their needs and license requirements, from Home Entertainment (using FSX) up through PMDG Certified Training Solutions customized for specific airline customers."

 

Which, if you read correctly instead of being thick and trying to put people down all the time is that the home entertainment licence will be for FSX and and you can buy a certified licence if you want, NOT a home entertainment licence for P3D.

 

No stop trying to be smart and read the sticked post yourselves !!!

[AirborneZed 168]

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/427010-multi-platform-pricing-policy-expectations-fsxp3dxplane/

 

Read harder

[WarpD 824]

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/427010-multi-platform-pricing-policy-expectations-fsxp3dxplane/

 

Read harder

You can't read 'harder'... well, unless slamming a book into your forehead repeatedly counts as such... but you can read 'better'. :Big Grin:

[KriVa 307]

Craig:

I don't see your point, really? If you're eligible to use P3D, you will be eligible to use the 777 ON P3D. Currently, a lot of people using P3D are not eligible. It's a different kind of license, that's why it will cost money. Also, PMDG's legal counsel is on it to clearly define the scope within which the possibilities for different licenses lie. Last time I checked, those guys don't work for free. If you want to profit from the extra effort PMDG has done for it, you will have to pay for it.

Or maybe it would be better to let the future add-ons be more expensive for everyone, so a few P3D users can get their add-ons for free.... I think not.

[por930 51]

Craig,

 

If people find your questions....here we go again....well they can simply choose not to post...or reply to you saying "lots of threads on this mate, nothing more to add etc......While some of the subjects are flogged to death and you can search for ever for various past opinions, they are just that..in the past and maybe not so relevant these days...especially with Robert advising PMDG's thoughts and deliberations a short time ago on P3D. 

 

I think it will get down to marketing for PMDG. Presently, they make a/c for FSX. If PMDG start to re-make a 777 for example for the P3D platform, then this is maybe a long and expensive road for them, with limited returns due to the 'new' and not that popular platform of P3D/X-Plane compared to the king of the hill FSX.

 

As a programmer in a last life before retirement, it will not be simple task to convert a working 777 program designed for FSX to P3D etc as the platforms will handle the existing code very differently. I imagine the PMDG 777 has some very complicated code. I do not think a 'patch' will work?? Anyway...Presently, PMDG specialise in FSX. I think it will be very reasonable for PMDG and others to offer their 'base a/c for example FSX or what ever they have just spent countless man hours developing with an additional version for say P3D at an additional price, as this 'new platform' model maybe a very different beast under the bonnet.

 

FSX are currently better supported. One day we might all have to make a choice about swapping platforms. Thinking about this..people with lots of MS 2004 a/c and sceneries  are still asking them selves if they should go to FSX, and their main stumbling block is cost of junking their well loved and probably by now expensive software, re-buying(licensing)the same product, but developed for FSX, maybe with little gain?

[ArjenVdv 190]

It's all in the pinned threads, PMDG have been very clear about it. They might over a discount, but your FSX license is not going to be transferable.

But yeah, I do agree, the pricing is a bit on the high side. On top of that their products will probably only work with the P3D professional license. And that is because PMDG is going to sell professional licenses themselves too. I could be wrong about this, but time will tell.

 

[AirborneZed 168]

You can't read 'harder'... well, unless slamming a book into your forehead repeatedly counts as such... but you can read 'better'. :Big Grin:

You know what I mean 

 

...Make sure the printed words rub off on your face!

[scandinavian13 5,192]

 

 

No stop trying to be smart and read the sticked post yourselves !!!

 

I did.  Seems that you didn't:

 

 

We have been asked a number of times if we will offer a discount price to users who own the FSX version of a given product. We will likely offer a special promotional pricing deal at the very beginning, but it will be limited in scope and time and it will require that you already have purchased the FSX version of a product prior to the time we announce the promotional pricing...

Disclaimer: We may not offer such a promotional offer depending upon how discussions go with our licensing partners. Releasing products on P3D is not as simple ans changing the installer path and exporting, as there are a number of limiting factors, legal restrictions, licensing requirements and other considerations that do not exist on the FSX platform.

Moving to a multiple platform development process is an expensive process- and is causing quite a bit of expansion behind the scenes at PMDG. Ultimately I am very excited about it because it means greater access to our capabilities for many of you- but it also brings us the opportunity to show the airline training community what value PMDG can bring to their training process.

 

Emphasis mine

[voodoo101 21]

I did.  Seems that you didn't:

 

 

 

Emphasis mine

 

Which brings us back to the original post of asking PMDG if they will be re thinking it now that other developers have decided not to charge. If you read the date of the quoted post and the one I posted you will notice that I posted after they made this decision, as in rethinking.

 

It seems that you don't read post, just like to argue. But that's what it says on all the post you get involved in.

[scandinavian13 5,192]

 

 

Which brings us back to the original post of asking PMDG if they will be re thinking it now that other developers have decided not to charge. If you read the date of the quoted post and the one I posted you will notice that I posted after they made this decision, as in rethinking.

 

Right.  Again, refer to the quoted post above, as it states:

Releasing products on P3D is not as simple ans changing the installer path and exporting, as there are a number of limiting factors, legal restrictions, licensing requirements and other considerations that do not exist on the FSX platform.

 

It's not as simple as people are assuming, and there are the ever-present legal issues.  In my mind, that question is answered: it's a separate product, and it will be treated as such, to include pricing.  The above quote (not quoted here) also mentions that moving from FSX to P3D is an expensive process, so to expect that you'll be getting a free or heavily discounted way of migrating is a bit of wishful thinking.  Other developers offering the same installer for both products may not be doing so legally, or at least in the iron-clad way I'm guessing PMDG would like to.  Thus the complete division of the products.

 

My point would be backed up by the first paragraph of the linked post:

There seems to be some Utopian GroupThink Discussion that FSX users will be given some type of magic pass to move their product licenses over to P3D or Xplane, or that suddenly PMDG's development priorities have shifted magically with an announcement tonight.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It seems that you don't read post, just like to argue. But that's what it says on all the post you get involved in.

 

I do appreciate a good debate, but I don't argue just to argue.  I argue because people are wrong.