Now we are really getting somewhere, very helpful discussion now and good points on use of REX E & 4. 

 

Will have to look into software that ensures complete removal as Marc suggested, even if the demo ASN uninstaller is supposed to remove all demo files.  Thanks for suggestion.

 

I am pushing my now older PC to it's limits for flight simming these days and I hope that if I add ASN and say REX4 I won't go over the top and suffer from terrible performance.

I'm sitting right now watching my 737 being serviced in the Carib....and you should see what ASN/REX4 is giving me...quite a light show!   The sounds of the new sampled lightning cracks and following thunder rolls injected by REX4, are quite ominous. Most impressive!  I'm now waiting for the torrential rain (and its new sound effects a' la REX4 to pound down...  I feel sorry for those guys in the catering truck...it's going to be slippery....

 

For my O.P., I have just decided personally, that if I don't have a good thing to say about a piece of software, simply put, I won't have my negative opinion perhaps sway another's possible use and enjoyment of the product being mentioned or posted about. If I have positive things to say...that will be worth posting....as is my comments on REX Extreme v1.25..ah..er...I mean, REX4 (wink!)  REX4 totally enhances what already great things are in REX E.  I would not want to walk away from what REX4 adds for enviromental advancement and realism, if I had been at a friends house, and looking over his/her shoulder, knew that as soon as I got home...the purchase would be made. It is something you have to see to believe; the REX Studio's advancements.  Again...coming in over the Atlantic onto final into the Carib...is well...why mince words...;  REAL!  The water swells ROLL and move as if with being wind driven. The white caps have wind-drive and froth on some. Near the shore, they calm down to almost nothing as there are new water textures that are placed where needed in the scene to mimic reality.  There is more than a few new water textures in play at any given time in the scene. What they did...is very clever.  You'd have to yank my copy of REX4 out of my cold, lifeless hands....it is, for what it adds...THAT GOOD!  Ok...back to watching those poor slobs about to be drenched....poor chaps. I'm eating my sandwich, and keeping dry in the flight room....

I'm a casual simmer, but I did get DX10 Fixer and ASN. I tested it yesterday with the default 737. The snow on arrival in Milwaukee was incredible!! I just posted this video on YouTube. (yeah, I know -- I should learn how to fly and get the NGX!)

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXHN_6YW_rc&feature=em-upload_owner

I have NO Idea what you're talking about. Why don't you just spell it out. Yeah, I went searching for posts and topics and I still can't figure it out. So, if you have a point to make, then make it.

 

Sorry, Jim. Now I know EXACTLY what you're talking about.

 

For my O.P., I have just decided personally, that if I don't have a good thing to say about a piece of software, simply put, I won't have my negative opinion perhaps sway another's possible use and enjoyment of the product being mentioned or posted about.

 

So what you're saying is that you have nothing good to say about either Opus or ASN, right?

 

Hook

I'm a casual simmer, but I did get DX10 Fixer and ASN. I tested it yesterday with the default 737. The snow on arrival in Milwaukee was incredible!! I just posted this video on YouTube. (yeah, I know -- I should learn how to fly and get the NGX!)

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXHN_6YW_rc&feature=em-upload_owner

Man...I though you were going to be running out of runway to brake upon...  How fast was your approach in knots, at the outer marker?  A suggestion, try to have it at 155 knots for a 737. That's at F(fe), just before the kiss.....

Sorry, Jim. Now I know EXACTLY what you're talking about.

 

 

So what you're saying is that you have nothing good to say about either Opus or ASN, right?

 

Hook

I have great things to say about ASN....and had a'plenty before this O.P.   What I was seeing, was a trend for us to gush about the new kid...and treat Opus, that did us all so well, like it was ready to be laid out into the casket. It just didn't seem right...and to myself...rather flippant treatment of the program and those actively still developing it. ASN is what I have fully migrated to, as a matter of fact. You ask me if it's good?   You don't have the hour and a half for me to present my case....  In my present opinion, ASN is the weather injector that creates atmospherics as close to real within a simulation, that is currently possible.  That's my footprint and opinion. Opus does have other features, that those users require/ wish to use...and for them, that's the ticket also....  Truly, both are current, but then again...there are users that fly with weather injectors, three generations old, and see no reason to do anything else.  All subjective, all as will fit the need of the purchaser....and nothing more.  

 

 

What I was seeing, was a trend for us to gush about the new kid...and treat Opus, that did us all so well, like it was ready to be laid out into the casket.

 

Before that the gushing was about FSGRW (hope I spelled that right), and a while before that it was all about Opus. 

 

Hook

Man...I though you were going to be running out of runway to brake upon... How fast was your approach in knots, at the outer marker? A suggestion, try to have it at 155 knots for a 737. That's at F(fe), just before the kiss.....

 

I touched down at about 140-145kts --- I think!? I saved the FRC file I'll take a look. I had the auto brake set to 3.

 

edit: I touched down at 137kts - tas

I touched down at about 140-145kts --- I think!? I saved the FRC file I'll take a look. I had the auto brake set to 3.

 

edit: I touched down at 137kts - tas

Wow...at 137 knots, you should have dropped down by horizon stall event, rather than the floating you did over much of the runway length.  You usually maintain glide path at 155, and then just before your flare, you retard the throttles and she will drop at around 50 FPM for a gentle kiss on the numbers as your knots decay down from 155..  You would not come in at the posted speeds, but higher, if wind shear has been reported...for you could lose 10-25 knots under the wing, in less than three seconds, if the shear transposed the wind 180 degrees to your forward travel, and you would most likely, never recover. Jet engines take quite some time to spool up to project meaningful thrust.  That's why turbo-props are so coveted by persons who own them....you get the greatest reliability from less moving parts 'behind the prop', and you have that prop out front in the wind stream, that will bite into and create thrust almost immediately, with only minimal-to-rise, increase of rpm.  Jet engines propel heated, expanding air out their rears, and quite a velocity must be had, for even close to the thrust potential of a large multi-bladed prop as rated by the second. !40-145 knots would have been right on the numbers as the main landing gear did their squeal!  137 is, like I said, into a stall event...ouch!

How do you know what weight he was, therefore any talk of vREF is pointless.

 

Andy

Wow...at 137 knots, you should have dropped down by horizon stall event, rather than the floating you did over much of the runway length. You usually maintain glide path at 155, and then just before your flare, you retard the throttles and she will drop at around 50 FPM for a gentle kiss on the numbers as your knots decay down from 155.. You would not come in at the posted speeds, but higher, if wind shear has been reported...for you could lose 10-25 knots under the wing, in less than three seconds, if the shear transposed the wind 180 degrees to your forward travel, and you would most likely, never recover. Jet engines take quite some time to spool up to project meaningful thrust. That's why turbo-props are so coveted by persons who own them....you get the greatest reliability from less moving parts 'behind the prop', and you have that prop out front in the wind stream, that will bite into and create thrust almost immediately, with only minimal-to-rise, increase of rpm. Jet engines propel heated, expanding air out their rears, and quite a velocity must be had, for even close to the thrust potential of a large multi-bladed prop as rated by the second. !40-145 knots would have been right on the numbers as the main landing gear did their squeal! 137 is, like I said, into a stall event...ouch!

137 is into a stall? Lol! How can you say that without knowing the aircraft weight, the weather, his landing configuration, etc, etc, etc?

 

Actually, the fmc indicates the vreff for the chosen landing flap configuration... so 155? What i could tell you about the 155 knots is that usually the speed for flaps 10... +-

 

 

 

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137 is into a stall? Lol! How can you say that without knowing the aircraft weight, the weather, his landing configuration, etc, etc, etc?

 

Actually, the fmc indicates the vreff for the chosen landing flap configuration... so 155? What i could tell you about the 155 knots is that usually the speed for flaps 10... +-

 

 

 

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On a mean-average commercial flight....at the event horizon.  Yep.     At the landing weight of a 737 flight...pax. baggage, fuel at reserve. Yep.....

 

You are sinking...and even if you do a full stop throttle, there won't be enough time to generate sufficient thrust to overcome your sink rate...and you will auger into the sod.....

 

The 777 sod party in San Francisco was in the same hole....full throttle, but could not overcome spool lag.  Bang...boom.....slide......crash. No matter a triple 7, or a 737, once you go below in knots, the ability to level off in sustained altitude, no amount of throttle, elevator, or AOA, will pull your behind out of the sod.  Yep... 137 knots on a 737, ...on the glide...you are sinking, not on a controlled decent on glide path. Yep....  The approach speed of a properly configured 737, is 155 knots indicated, down to the numbers, just before flare....F(fe).

Hah -- this is funny. I was at full flaps and the speed tape was bouncing around between 140 and 150 while on the glide slope. But at about 1200ft it seemed to float and not descend further so I disconnected the the AP and pushed the nose down. The rest of the way I didn't even look at anything but the runway.

 

Keep in mind --- My post was about ASN weather - not about flying real 737s. Secondly this is the default 737! Thirdly, I fly these things mostly by the seat of the pants and Kentucky windage! I consider this more of a really neat game rather than a real sim! If the airplane looks like it's performing properly and I can get it from A to B without crashing, I'm satisfied. I've never had any flight training, so I'm not a pilot and never will be. However, I spent my whole working career in the airline and travel industry so I do have thousands of hours in the back end of these things from the 1950s onward. I also rode the jump seat in 727s a couple dozen times.

 

Merry Christmas everyone and Happy New Year!! :drinks:

Hello, Bruce!

 

Look... you got the bird down on the runway; that's the important thing!

 

Happy Holidays!

 

Alan 

A good landing is one you can walk away from...A great landing is one where you can use the plane again. LOL!

 

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year everyone!!!

Hi Alan!!

 

Yup -- that's all I care about!!

 

Hope all is well with you!

 

Right on, Kevin!

 

Cheers!

 

Bruce

Ses -

 

http://www.b737.org.uk/vspeeds.htm

 

you might want to look at this before you spout generalities about landing configuration.

 

You are painting his situation with a broad brush - that could get you killed IRL.

 

Since none of US know exactly what his configuration and wind speed was, we cannot make any judgements about his speed OTHER than if he was floating he was too fast FOR THE SITUATION.

 

Vic