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Buying Isle of man and Guernsey fm Earth simulations.

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Hello,

 

I plan to buy one or both of these airports from Earth simulations. I'm wondering how there are about FPS and also if compatible with ORBX. Thank you and best regards.

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I have just added Isle of Man to the Reviews system and would encourage anyone who owns it to post a review.

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Regrettably, my experience with Earth Simulation software scenery is not good, and from Forum comments I have read, I am not alone to suffering CTD's after installation. I have Scilly Isles(OK), Alderney and Guernsey, the last mentioned a particular problem.

It does not seem to sit happily with either ORBX or UK2000 scenery but perhaps a more powerful computer might solve my problem. The installation procedure alone is a complete headache and I know of other flightsimmers that think likewise.

Sorry to be so negative, I particularly enjoy the Channel islands so I would be delighted to learn of more positive experiences.

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Earthsimulations high def island sceneries have two issues

 

1) It messes with some common files just like Orbx and France VFR sceneries... Since Orbx has lot more addons, I had to sacrifice my Earth simulations and others.

 

2) Although those Islands are really well done, the airports are neglected...which for me is not acceptable since these are for flight sim. They go to such extent of doing high resolution cliffs and what not...and they can't  put a nice runway and taxiway textures? Seeing those default runway and taxiways there really bothers me..but then thats just me. :)

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I only own Scilly Isles, but it is heavy on FPS (in a good way). It is extremely true to life, and it does come at a cost, but there are stuff you can disable to get better fps. As for a side by side installation with ORBX scenery I would be hesitant, but they have a compatibility forum where you can seek advice. Here's one post for you: http://www.orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/63656-earth-sim-isle-of-man-and-orbx/?hl=%2Bearth+%2Bsimulations

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Wished I spoke French! :lol:

 

I will take that as a big compliment (and if I shouldn't, please let me know so I can remove this message and not embarrass myself further. :Big Grin:

Hahaha! There must be an english version. If i find it I'll sent the link to you.

Thank you guys. I won't take the risk if it can cause problem  with ORBX . I already have enough CTD....

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I have just added Isle of Man to the Reviews system and would encourage anyone who owns it to post a review.

Tom,

I have a comprehensive Avsim review of IOM somewhere in the publishing pipeline. Last I heard was almost published.

 

Ray

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Tom,

I have a comprehensive Avsim review of IOM somewhere in the publishing pipeline. Last I heard was almost published.

 

Ray

Ray, understood. The reviews I am referring to our in our new Member's Review System found here: http://forum.avsim.net/reviews.

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Hi Lmaire

 

While the comments are being said with all good intentions I'm sure. You're being misled by some of the answers given so far in this thread.

 

RE: compatibility.

The scenery is compatible with Orbx. To say that it isn't is simply not true. ES and Orbx have collaborated to ensure this is the case.

France VFR have refused to collaborate with either Orbx or ES to ensure the same. However it will depend on the order of installation. If you install France VFR first,  followed by the ES scenery everything will work together. But if you reverse that order and install ES scenery first followed by France VFR second then it will break the ES scenery. This is because our installer will append the existing autogen cfg files, while the other developers installers will replace them with their own version. So who's at fault?
The scenery replaces UK2000 versions of the airports entirely, you would never have both ES and UK2000 versions of a particular airport active at the same time, so that particular comment is just irrelevant.

 

Isle of Man ( EGNS ) does not use default textures Manny. See screenshots here.  Here's two recent comments we've had from those that should know.

 

I am an air traffic controller at Ronaldsway and love you IOM scenery, superb!

 

 

First thing – superb scenery for where I live and work, although we do keep the grass better trimmed around the taxiways and apron. Just having another look around Ronaldsway, think we could actually use this for airfield driver training!

 

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Meant to answer your question on FPS

The sceneries are all relatively taxing if you use maximum settings.The detail included is way beyond an average scenery. To quote the manual 

 

When porting the scenery to FSX for home simulation use Earth Simulations have done everything in our power to optimize the performance for home system computing power. If you are running a state of the art system (I mean today's best, not last year's best) then you can expect to be able to fly The Isle of Man at its maximum settings and have an altogether pleasurable experience. However if you do not have a true state of the art system you will more likely than not need to make compromises. ES sceneries are slider controlled so that a balance between content and performance can be found just by trial and error tweaking of the sliders.

 

 

If you need to reduce sliders, we have made it so that the detail lost is least noticeable. ie: the smallest and least important aspects of the scenery will be removed first. A single drop from "extremely dense" to "Very dense" will make a very big difference in performance terms, but you'd be hard pushed to notice the difference in visuals.

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I am sorry to disagree entirely with the above comments. I do not have experience of the I.O.M. software that E.S produces. However, as stated, I do have experience of the three sceneries mentioned. Firstly, UK2000 only makes FS2004 Guernsey scenery. However, in my opinion the fact is that ES Guernsey has a conflict with UK2000 FSX scenery. It has also been experienced by others as will be confirmed by comments on the support forum.

Moreover, it could not be disputed that installation from boxed copies must be quite the most tedious experience of all software scenery producers. (Unless of course you have your grannies D.O.B. readily to hand.......joke!)

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Hi Crackfire

 

I honestly don't want to offend you, but your idea that the ES scenery should be compatible with a version of UK2000 makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You have either Uk2000, or you have Earth simulations versions of the airport. You can't possibly have both working at the same time because they are each depicting the same thing. The choice of which version you prefer to use is yours to make, but there is no possibility of them being used together...and if you think about it long enough you'll realize it's an obvious conclusion. 

 

We're very aware there are some that dislike our installer, and have commented in another recent thread about that,You'll see we've made a commitment to addressing those concerns. 

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That's the same link I just posted David...and yes, please do read it through to the end. 

 

and it's not just the installer.

 

 

What else is it then David? 

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Well your servers are not the fastest. Look at the SS I posted, not good when you want to DL and get flying asap. 104mb in 13 mins!

 

I just DL 41Gb from MSE in 2 hours.

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Isle of Man ( EGNS ) does not use default textures Manny. See screenshots here.  Here's two recent comments we've had from those that should know.

 

WOW!  EGNS looks awesome.  I had bought your earlier Island and my comment was based on that. This one looks nice.

 

Maybe I need to revisit.

 

The thing about installing VFR France first and then your scenery is helpful.. Maybe I should revisit that too.

 

But since I cannot uninstall Orbx just for VFR France, I may have to ignore France. 

 

The Q I have is, if I reinstall Earth Simulations and/or install this new Isle of Man (I am now interested in getting this), would it install properly with Orbx?

 

Thanks for your post.

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Hi David

 

So you are in fact still referring to your dislike of the installer afterall....unless there is something else you'd like to comment on. 

 

I have no idea why you saw such a slow speed, but it isn't the norm. To prove the point I have just taken my own screenshot seen below. 

esi-download-speed.JPG

 

You can clearly see I've just downloaded a whole 11GB in a little under 44 minutes, averaging 4382kbs.  I'll sometimes see faster...I'll sometimes see slower depending on the day. Check the date/time at the bottom of the screenshot to show I've only just conducted this experiment. Also you should know that our servers are located in Germany, whilst I live on the rural Isle of Wight located just off the south coast of England...so it's not as if the server is located in the next room or anything like that. You've simply been unlucky David. :(  for which you have my deepest empathy, but we can not take the blame for the slow speed you experienced.

 

Hi Manny

 

Orbx deliberately missed Isle of Man from their FTX England product after realizing that we were about to release a product covering the Island. I answer to your question, Yes,  ES and Orbx co-exist just fine. 

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WOW! EGNS looks awesome. I had bought your earlier Island and my comment was based on that. This one looks nice.

 

Maybe I need to revisit.

 

t.

Manny,

You can take a look at the recent Avsim review of the A2A C172. All of those sceenshots were using ES IOM and several highlight the extensive details of EGNS.

 

http://forum.avsim.net/page/index.html/_/reviews/aircraft/a2a-simulations-c172-trainer-r1878

 

Regards,

Ray

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Hello Earth Simulations.

No offence taken. However I believe you are under the impression that my problems with ES scenery stem from installing Uk2000 scenery of the Channel Is. with that of your own. This of course is impossible as UK2000 Channel Islands scenery is only for FS2004 and my misfortune with ES scenery was endeavouring to install it in FSX, and particularly at the end of satisfactorily installing at least 250GB of other software scenery. So you can perhaps understand why I was so aggrieved at having to start afresh with a complete reinstall. No, as previously stated, I unfortunately believe it is the fact that some ES scenery does not sit comfortably with either ORBX or UK2000 on the same computer and my interest is solely to make fellow flightsimmers aware of my experiences.

In respect of the laborious install procedure through your website, well, I am glad to see from other posts that I am not alone. I came to the conclusion that your website and install procedure had been set up with one purpose in mind, to prevent pirating and certainly not for the convenience of the flight simmers. It may interest you to know that as a member of a flight sim group for 3 years, I believe that 95% of the 40 members are not interested in pirated copies, aware that further development depends on purchasing the software.

However, to conclude the discussion, I wish your company and its future well, but I would ask you to remember that there is more to a continuing successful business than simply short term selling of the product.

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Hi

 

fact that some ES scenery does not sit comfortably with either ORBX or UK2000

 

OK...so I seriously doubt by now that I'm going to be able to convince you otherwise Crackfire,  but have to say for the benefit of others that you are wrong on both counts. We are indeed fully compatible with Orbx. There is no case I can think of where we need to be compatible with UK2000 for the reasons already stated. But running ES and UK2000 on the same system is completely possible and is indeed one of the most common combinations of scenery used by a majority of our UK customers...as long as it's not exactly the same airport we're modelling of course, where only one or another can be chosen.

 

came to the conclusion that your website and install procedure had been set up with one purpose in mind, to prevent pirating and certainly not for the convenience of the flight simmers.

 

 

Honestly...Nothing could be further from the truth. Our intention was to build an installer that would make things as easy for our genuine customers as possible. I think the best way to show you this is for me to link you to another video I've just made which demonstrates how activation of our products actually works.

 

 

Whilst we do have effective anti piracy measures in place ( such as file encryption and other methods of checking ) None of it is seen by you, and none of it acts as a hindrance to a genuine customer. 

 

A member named Simmerhead made a  well thought out and polite reply in the other recent thread discussing Earth Simulations here . Much of it I'd agree with, with the exception of the second paragraph.

 

 My problem is with all the copy protection and bloatware side products (ESI included). Once you have accumulated a fair number of addons from various developers these add up to make a mess beyond my wildest imagination of chaos

 

 

There are currently around 25 separate sceneries available from Earth Simulations. Assuming we had used a traditional "Click/next/click/next type installer"  for each of these sceneries you would now have 25 separate programs to store and manage. Add to that the issue of more files providing updates or enhancements for each of those sceneries as they become available leading to a greater "mess" trying to keep track of them all. 

ESI was designed to avoid that exact situation by being a single program installed on your system that will deal with all of the products and all of the updates. ( past and future ) One installer to deal with potentially unlimited products and updates. To me at least, that makes a lot of sense.

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Regrettably, my experience with Earth Simulation software scenery is not good, and from Forum comments I have read, I am not alone to suffering CTD's after installation. I have Scilly Isles(OK), Alderney and Guernsey, the last mentioned a particular problem.

It does not seem to sit happily with either ORBX or UK2000 scenery but perhaps a more powerful computer might solve my problem. The installation procedure alone is a complete headache and I know of other flightsimmers that think likewise.

Sorry to be so negative, I particularly enjoy the Channel islands so I would be delighted to learn of more positive experiences.

I have almost all the OrbX and UK2000 sceneries and every earth sims scenery. I've never had any compatibility problem with them. As long as you simply put them in the right order in the scenery library they all work spectacularly together right out of the box. Never had any install problems with any of them :)

 

The only slight issue I ever had was compatibility with some of the France VFR sceneries initially, but I was supplied with the autogen files merged to solve that problem and the fix was posted on their forum.

 

I'm sorry to hear anyone else had probs but I didn't so maybe there was something else with other users PCs or FSX tweaks? :s

 

Cheers k

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