All ILS/LOC are Misaligned

[mike2060 4]

ILS DME RW26:

 

https://mega.co.nz/#!jVcRRTyB!PM2PUGnoNWD5g10sP20bKDtv_ZHOrAvKIvazZvU2QAY

[michael179 0]

ILS DME RW26:

 

https://mega.co.nz/#!jVcRRTyB!PM2PUGnoNWD5g10sP20bKDtv_ZHOrAvKIvazZvU2QAY

Thanks! But I heard that this is 'top secret' and is given out only to Porter pilots and military...as long as you're allowed to share :)

[mike2060 4]

It's not like you are going to try and fly this approach in real life. ATC would never clear you for it.

[vonmar 123]

ILS DME RW26:

 

https://mega.co.nz/#!jVcRRTyB!PM2PUGnoNWD5g10sP20bKDtv_ZHOrAvKIvazZvU2QAY

 

Thanks.

Thanks! But I heard that this is 'top secret' and is given out only to Porter pilots and military...as long as you're allowed to share :)

 

Where did you hear that?

Just wondering why did you not mention it days earlier if you knew something special?

 

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In post #52  above I linked:

And Info:

http://www.airnaviga...rwy-26-at-cytz/

 

which mentions:

"Final Approach™ was used to design the first ILS procedure for Runway 26 at Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport for use by Porter Airlines"

 

But this ILS approach is in the Jepp worldwide database and is a valid ILS approach for all aircraft.

 

 

Here is a twin with a Garmin and the approach is available in the database and can be flown.

 

And on the plate provided by Mike2060 (thanks Mike) and the link I provided it did not mention and restrictions (exclusive use) on using the ILS Approach.

Screenshot of the Garmin approach (database) that matches the JEPP Approach plate that Mike 2060 provided.:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0iu0vau45jxukov/duke-rwy26-appr-cytz.jpg

 

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Mike 179, Are you back now from your week off?

[mike2060 4]

It says you need Ops Spec 607 in order to use this approach. So you couldn't just go and fly it in a Cessna. So it is pretty much just for commercial operators.

 

 

https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/standards/commerce-certification-ops-3787.htm

 

 

CONDITIONS

2. This authority is granted subject to the following condition(s):

1. The aircraft shall be certified and equipped to fly a glide path angle of 4.8 degrees;
2. Flight Crew shall be trained to fly approaches with a glide path angle of 4.8 degrees and shall be trained and familiar with all of the conditions associated with this approach procedure;
3. The air operator shall have established procedures in its company operations manual for the guidance of its personnel;
4. Either a PAPI or APAPI system aligned at 4.8 degrees, harmonized with the electronic glide slope shall be installed and operational;
5. A visual alignment guidance system for the visual segment, such as the System of Azimuth Guidance for Approach (SAGA) shall be installed and operational;
6. Touchdown limit lights shall be installed and operational;
7. Yellow runway edge lights on the last third of the runway shall be installed and operational;
8. The marine radar shall be operational when the weather is below 1000 ft ceiling and 3 miles visibility;
9. When advised by ATC, prior to receiving approach clearance, that there is activity within the Marine Exclusion Zone (MEZ) at either end of Runway 26, the flight crew shall not commence the ILS/DME 26 approach until subsequently advised by ATC that the MEZs are clear; and
10. When advised by ATC, after receiving approach clearance, that there is activity within the MEZs, the flight crew shall discontinue the approach unless the aircrew has descended below the minimum decision height (DH) and the flight crew has visual contact with the marine vessel.

[vonmar 123]

"It says you need Ops Spec 607 in order to use this approach. So you couldn't just go and fly it in a Cessna. So it is pretty much just for commercial operators."

 

True.

 

I read this link:

Here is a link to : Operations Specification 607


https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/standards/commerce-certification-ops-3787.htm

 

I was trying to show it is not exclusive to a specific airline (e.g. Porter) and the ILS procedure is in a worldwide (JEPP) database.

 

And, any aircraft with the proper equipment including a Cessna could use it.

 

But any way ........ the approach is there, we have the flight sim aircraft approved (any of my aircraft with the RealityXP Garmin)  to fly it and we pilots on fight sim will fly it!

 

I will have to check other aircraft in my hanger?

 

We need someone to add the ILS equipment to the FSX AFCAD ......................

I checked my PMDG Navigraph Navdata procedures database........ the approach is there .... so it is available for for the PMDG JS4100 in my hanger:

 

APPROACH ILS26 FIX VIPRI AT OR ABOVE 2500 FIX RABIX 2360 RNW 26 TRK 265 UNTIL 800 TURN LEFT DIRECT FIX SNNB 2000 HOLD AT FIX SNNB RIGHT TURN INBOUNDCOURSE 175 SPEED 175 LEGTIME 1
 TRANSITION UPRIL FIX UPRIL FIX OMTEX AT OR ABOVE 2500

[michael179 0]

Thanks.

 

Where did you hear that?

Just wondering why did you not mention it days earlier if you knew something special?

 

 

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Mike 179, Are you back now from your week off?

 

I actually just found out yesterday that it was a 'private' ILS from a friend.

 

I am still out of the house due to renovations, I plan to test the A320 with auto land on the ILS 06L at CYYZ and see if it is on the rwy. or on the green grass.

I did however, install the nav. updated from that link in an earlier post although it didn't recognize my P3D v2, it said it was v1, and it worked only while the Migration Tool was on virtual FSX mode. (probably since I have FSX + P3D installed). It was this one to install, right? http://www.aero.sors.fr/navaids.html

 

Mike

[vonmar 123]

Mike,

 

"It was this one to install, right? http://www.aero.sors.fr/navaids.html"

I do not use it so maybe another pilot here can verify.

 

I wondered if it would install without a problem ??

Also, I wondered if it covers Canadian ILS's?

I remember reading some areas of the world are not covered. Have you found out?

 

"I actually just found out yesterday that it was a 'private' ILS from a friend."

Ok.

I have not seen anything about it being a "private" ILS approach.

 

I am trying now to add an ILS  with (4.8 degree) G/S to the CYTZ rwy 26.

[vonmar 123]

I used AFX to modify the FSX default AFCAD for CYTZ to add an offset LOC steep approach ILS to RWY 26 (GS + DME + PAPI).

I had to change the freq to from 110.15 (cuz no G/S for new afcad) to 110.7 for the edited afcad to work with LOC and G/S.

It has a 3 degree LOC offset and a 4.8 degree G/S an PAPI.


Got a couple screenshots of the approach in a Cessna.

I always use a Cessna to initially test approaches.



https://www.dropbox.com/s/5dlqoh9b0ciodwh/CYTZ-ils26-steep-appr.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5dlqoh9b0ciodwh/CYTZ-ils26-steep-appr.jpg
 

 

Edit:

 I am not good at editing this stuff ... it may be off I do not know for sure .. but it got me down to the runway ok.

[mike2060 4]

Guys, I put a link somewhere in this thread to the most accurate version of CYTZ out there. It is a modification of ORBX's Freeware CYTZ from their FTX Global Freeware airports. So make sure you have those installed and have the latest ORBX Libs.

There is a glide slope for 08 and 26. Only RW26 ILS you need Ops Spec 607. So sometimes that approach may not be shown.There is also no localizer for RW33.

 

 

The ORBX CYTZ is completely wrong. This an updated version https://www.dropbox.com/s/2smkeb22jjpz2s6/CYTZ_ADEP2_ADE.BGL. I think you have to delete the cytzobjects in this folder as well: C:\Program Files (x86)\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v2\ORBX\FTX_GLOBAL\FTX_FTXG_AIRPORTS\Scenery. And to note the ILS frequency for RW08 is 110.10 since 26 and 08 share the same frequency.

[Captain45 3]

Even today (Jan. 2017) with P3Dv3.4 and the Q400 I found out the hard way that CYTZ RWY08 ILS is misalligned. I checked with the 'ILS Inspector' software and the magnetic heading is 84.48 (by magvar.bgl data, updated for Navigraph 1613) while the true heading is 74,00. My guess is that when selected, the ILS for RWY08 is following the true heading instead of the magnetic one, which it should do.

 

Just make it an RNAV approach (choice out of 3 depending on where you come from) and the VNAV of your Q400 will bring you in untill you see the PAPI. Then handland your plane. It's more fun than autoland.

:smile:

 

Dirk