Is there a problem installing fsglobal ultimate after having the ftx products installed?

No not all just make sure its placed underneath in the library

Everyone talks about FS Global 2010, but Ultimate is newer. is FS Global Ultimate not compatible with FTX Vector?

I'm not sure...but I bought FS Global 2010, because that is the IN HOUSE mesh component used by ORBX developers in creating their gems...I wanted total guaranteed 100 percent compatibility. between my mesh, and any other ORBX product now..or to come out.    

I would think these would be about the same download size but I think FSGlobal 2010 is like 24GB and " (or FTX Edition if your an Orbx flyer)." FTX is like 4GB?

I think you've falling into the same confusion that I struggle with from time to time with the naming of these products.

There is:

 

FSG = FSGenesis Mesh: from FSGenesis

there is:

FSG = FSGlobal Mesh: from Pilots

and the link in your post to FSS goes to

FTXG(loba Base): Textures made by Orbx

 

Three different products the first 2 Mesh the last one Textures. I wish they would have come up with different names  :blink: LOL.

 

When posting about these products it's easy to go with acronyms which can cause some confusion with these similar sounding products.

 

Sizes:

FSGlobal Mesh 2010 by Pilots is around 25GB (and I guess this can vary per the installer type-DVD versus Download)

FSGlobal Mesh 2010 Update to FTX Edition patch is around 4GB+/- if I remember correctly.

FTXGlobal Base (Textures) is around 4.5 GB.

 

On a side note: I have all my FSGenesis on discs made for me by FSGenesis, I believe the disc size (in bytes) was always larger than the same products through downloaded, and I think that was intentional on the part of the developer. I doubt the difference would ever noticeable between the two in use.

 

 

Hope that helps.

The default P3D V2.2 LFLJ look very good!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bngox0316nhbyt7/Default-LFLJ.JPG
 

Frank,

 

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Sizes:

FSGlobal Mesh 2010 by Pilots is around 25GB (and I guess this can vary per the installer type-DVD versus Download)

FSGlobal Mesh 2010 Update to FTX Edition patch is around 4GB+/- if I remember correctly.

FTXGlobal Base (Textures) is around 4.5 GB."

 

Thanks . that helps a'lot .......

 

 

Edit:

 

Then you have the Pilots "Ultimate packages ... Asia, Europe, Americas .............

 

A purchase list would be nice.

 

1. Buy this and it improves FSX like this ...screenshot, $$ Cost

2. buy this next ...it improves FSX like this ......screenshot, $$ Cost

3. buy this next ...it improves FSX like this ......screenshot, $$ Cost

 

 

Then there are area coverages .. like Genius .. "California" e.g. which adds another layer of confusion.

I like the whole world or very large areas ....  packages.

I'm not sure...but I bought FS Global 2010, because that is the IN HOUSE mesh component used by ORBX developers in creating their gems...I wanted total guaranteed 100 percent compatibility. between my mesh, and any other ORBX product now..or to come out.    

As with golf, flight simming with the MSFS franchaise and the world of available addons is not a game of perfect.

 

I suspect that FSGlobal 2010 FTX EDITION should give you the least amount of  issues.(A/P elevations, occasional sinkholes or mini volcano ponds), than any other mesh product when used with Orbx products. Pilots have attempted, I believe, to massage out as many conflicts as known/possible between this FTX Editon product and Orbx products.

 

I use FSGlobal Ultimates for a number of reasons but one is better source material (probably) than was available earlier and higher accuracy with lower (down to 1 or 2 meter) resolution in some places. But as I said before, higher accuracy can lead to higher discrepancies because at the bottom of it all is FSX itself and that's where the inaccuracies start.

 

Again Orbx and Pilots are still actively developing their products so the chance of some fixing is always possible.

 

The simmers that use no mesh other than FSX default make it easier on themselves but there is no perfect there either.

 

And personally, I hate missing a 3 foot putt a lot more than the  mesh mismatches I experience in flight simming.

Rob,

 

Nice video LFLJ.

I may try to do a video of the default LFLJ mesh and scenery textures in P3D V2.2.

 

During your taxi / takeoff I hear landing (touchdown) sounds from the tires .. like maybe the aircraft is bouncing on the new elevation?

It would be nice to see some comparison shots between Ultimate and Global however it would be unlikely that anyone would have both to compare due to the cost factor.

 

How much better is Ultimate? especially when considering the enormous price hike

Edit:

 

Then you have the Pilots "Ultimate packages ... Asia, Europe, Americas .............

 

A purchase list would be nice.

 

1. Buy this and it improves FSX like this ...screenshot, $$ Cost

2. buy this next ...it improves FSX like this ......screenshot, $$ Cost

3. buy this next ...it improves FSX like this ......screenshot, $$ Cost

 

 

Then there are area coverages .. like Genius .. "California" e.g. which adds another layer of confusion.

I like the whole world or very large areas ....  packages.

 

Believe me, screen shots between Pilots FSGlobal mesh 2010 (either edition) and Ultimates meshs are not going to be that dramatic in 95% parts of the world (my estimate and I own both). I say if your seeing too many microscopic differences your flying too low and had better pull the nose up.

 

As for comparative screen shots, that should be Pilots job to show the differences and relative values / merits of what your paying for.

 

I would make my decision this way:

 

The best bang for your money: 2010 or 2010 FTX Ed. (I've seen this priced at various times recently $60 to $90 and around 25GB in size

 

You wanna gild the lily?: Ultimates $150 to $180 for all 3, and around 101GB in size for all 3 together.

 

(I think my FSGenesis install on my B rig of everything pre Next is about 40GB)

 

With regard to pricing, and my personal thoughts only, it seems to me if Orbx and Pilot's hadn't gotten together on the Vector project, (I think they are joint venture on this, someone please correct me if I'm wrong), Pilots FSGlobal 2010 FTX Edition would never have come to be. With the announcement of the joint effort Pilots got a big boost in brand name visability and, then supply and demand kicks in at retailers. Given that we're even having this discussion now, special sales prices on hot selling items don't normally occur, they occur when sales volume cools off. Again, just my thinking.

 

And, I personally want the DVDs for addons of this size, less likelyhood of getting a bad disc than D/L, but I've seen reports of defective DVDs over the years but very rare.

 

Again, higher accuracy does not necessarily mean fewer anomalies.

 

And, if you've gone over to the dark side: All of it, you can use 2010 and all 3 Ultimates together on the same install, per Pilots: no need to uninstall 2010 when installing the Ultimates. All 4 give you scenery library entries to tick or untick, you can mix and match and obsess to your hearts content. Of course your going to give up around 130GB of your precious hard drive space to accompish this with all 4. I have but did not install 2010 on my Ultimates rig.

 

With respect to Orbx FTX Full Fat Regions, well, they custom massage the mesh they use in their "FFR's" to fix as many anomalies as possible, and when you bring an issue to their attention (with a screen shot and coordinates, please), they may address them in  subsequent service packs if there nasty. You can untick the FSGlobal mesh entries in the scenery library covering the Full Fat Region your flying if you have nagging concerns, and re-tick when you fly out of the Region and do it on the fly. Easy,no?

 

And while your hunting down those anomalies remember to: 1. Use Google Earth to check what you see first before reporting, you'd be amazed how many discrepancies are to be found in the real mother earth herself, and 2. try not to auger in, you'll lose time on the hunt! .

 

By the way, if anything I put in any post is wrong to your knowledge please correct me. I'm one guy sitting in his finished basement with 2 flight sim rigs and my only contact with the flight sim community is through internet flight sim forums like this one. And while we all know that you can't put anything on the internet that isn't the truth, mistakes do get made...

 

OK, my carpal tunnel is kicking in, its' been fun, but it's morning now and I'm going flying before my right hand goes completely numb.

 

Relax.

Frank,

 

Thanks for the great recap on products and your opinions ... I will print it and read it a few more times!

In a previous post Rob did a nice video at LFLJ with new mesh / scenery.

I did a short video (with HD playback available) here of the default P3D V2.2 mesh /scenery just to compare.

 

Did I hear sloped runways! Sure it's possible ...

 

Absolutely correct, Orbx (and Aerosoft) does a great job at it. Of course, it takes time and money to accomplish this with their full fat regions, but the results can be brilliant.

 

Flying the Snake River Canyon (either Idaho or Montana-can't remember which right now) is the most fun I can recall having in the A2A J3 and Orbx CRM (or is that NRM?). I love to fly this a few times in the middle of every winter for some reason. A lot of small airstrips along side a twisting, winding, narrow river, very close to each other and all set down in a steep walled canyon. There's one strip, and its name escapes me where I've only ever been able to land going in one direction (up slope). From the other direction the slope is so steep and the obstacles leading to the start of the strips landing point so high I can never get my speed down adequately to keep from either sliding off into the river at the end of the strip or doing a nose stand to keep from going in the water. I pretty much fly the whole length of the canyon well below the tops of the mountains on either side, a very exciting run.

 

Nice vid, Aerosoft Corcheval, I may have to add that to my B rig that has all my Aerosoft addons.

 

Edit, just watched your video a couple more times, nice job all around, I definitely want this addon. Is that the new Twotter? I'm still flying the old version.

I did a short video (with HD playback available) here of the default P3D V2.2 mesh /scenery just to compare.

 

 

Looks great. 

 

I've traveled to the Far East and Europe and around the US during my lifetime. I don't remember specific buildings and their locations in relation to certain the roads and rivers, and the differences in elevation of ground levels. I do know the eastern Pennsylvannia, New Jersey, and northern Delaware areas very well and almost never fly there and so I don't get hung up on inaccuracies. So when I fly elsewhere on the globe unless I see a glaring hole, spike, or broken up roads, I just relax and enjoy the ride. It's nice to wish for perfection but that just takes away from some of the enjoyment of the experience, for me. Could it be better, always, but at what price? Hint, it will not be cheap! And maybe not even technically possible. Everyday millions of foundations for millions of new homes around the world are being dug, landslides occur, floods creating temporary lakes and ponds occur...

 

 

Nice vid, Aerosoft Corcheval, I may have to add that to my B rig that has all my Aerosoft addons.

 

LLH Creations do Courchevel - Aerosoft do the Twin Otter X.

 

I did do a quick flight thru the valley in that area and it was amazing ... especially with Orbx OpenLC EU.  (will post video of that later)

 

 

 

During your taxi / takeoff I hear landing (touchdown) sounds from the tires .. like maybe the aircraft is bouncing on the new elevation?

 

Didn't bounce on touch down, but it did bounce after touchdown over the crest (both landing and takeoff).

 

Cheers, Rob.

Rob,

 

I should have said it this way:

During your taxi, and takeoff roll, I hear sounds from the tires , the same sounds you would normally hear during landing / touchdown or fast breaking skreetching / skidding  .... like maybe the aircraft is bouncing on the new elevation?

kreetching / skidding  .... like maybe the aircraft is bouncing on the new elevation?

 

If you give me the exact point in the video (min:sec) I can clarify ... for example the 1:55-1:57 mark I'm actually going too fast and "jump" over the crest down the runway.  At the 6:06 to 6:15 mark it's the same runway crest that causes the front of the aircraft to get light with the 18.5 degree slope so the front wheel actually comes off the ground and back down again repeatedly as I try to move over the crest -- in this case I was going too slow.

 

If I stop on the runway mid way and then let the aircraft roll backwards and then apply the brakes the nose of the aircraft will come up and I'll plant the rear tail down so my advice, don't stop on the runway

 

Cheers, Rob.