VNAV descent

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The STOIC and PRYME SIDs were essentially NOTAMed OTS as soon as they were released.

 

I don't like conspiracy theories but there is one that my very conservative beliefs will tend to wish were true.  It seems that the East Coast and Upper Midwest (eg rust belt IL to OH) do not publish or use RNAV arrivals/departures whereas the South, So Plains and West have utilized RNAV to the extent possible so I keep on suspecting the the union is actively trying to ensure that this fancy new technology does not reduce workload and the number of jobs.  Yeah, there's exceptions but remember how long the railroads had to keep firemen on board LOL.

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I don't like conspiracy theories but there is one that my very conservative beliefs will tend to wish were true.  It seems that the East Coast and Upper Midwest (eg rust belt IL to OH) do not publish or use RNAV arrivals/departures whereas the South, So Plains and West have utilized RNAV to the extent possible so I keep on suspecting the the union is actively trying to ensure that this fancy new technology does not reduce workload and the number of jobs.  Yeah, there's exceptions but remember how long the railroads had to keep firemen on board LOL.

 

haha - I'm not a conspiracy theory guy, and I'm not quite a union guy either, but I figured I'd cut a middle ground. I know for a fact that different facilities have different group-think-type viewpoints on how to handle things. A80 (ATL TRACON) has been using RNAV procedures for quite some time and it's one of the busiest facilities that we have. With N90, there's just no good solution RNAV-wise, so I think they'll be vector-dependent for quite a while longer until we can get RNAV RNP STARs. PCT has been a mix for quite some time with the Mount Vernon area (serving DCA/ADW) being the first adopter of RNAV OPD-like STARs. Shenandoah and Chesapeake (IAD and BWI, respectively) have just jumped on that bandwagon with their new SIDs and STARs, which is somewhat of a monumental shift for the Shenandoah Area.

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I can't speak for other operators but our 737s use geometric descent paths.

 

 

That's why I love LAX. That place is a VNAV dream. Thirty miles out and cleared to descend via the arrival and cleared for the ILS. It's one of the few places where you can let VNAV do it's thing uninterrupted.

They must have changed the way they do things. Every time I've gone into LAX you are downwind at 10,000 feet and they slam dunk you. Out come the boards and flaps to get down.

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They must have changed the way they do things. Every time I've gone into LAX you are downwind at 10,000 feet and they slam dunk you. Out come the boards and flaps to get down.

 

Full names in the PMDG forums please.

 

You referring to the SADDE6 arrival in the sim world or real world?  In the sim world it's an easy arrival if you select the SMO transition for ILS24R and simply observe the 5000 MEA on downwind... you gotta be realistic in setting up your arrivals and you can take clues from watching actual traffic on flightaware.com.

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They must have changed the way they do things. Every time I've gone into LAX you are downwind at 10,000 feet and they slam dunk you. Out come the boards and flaps to get down.

 

Coming from ORD or DFW it's usually the SEAVU arrival and it's VNAV all the way to the runway.  Coming from SFO it's a different story.  Then it's the high downwind with the slam dunk you describe.

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Coming from ORD or DFW it's usually the SEAVU arrival and it's VNAV all the way to the runway.  Coming from SFO it's a different story.  Then it's the high downwind with the slam dunk you describe.

You guys are loading the SADDE arrival and not paying attention, just going by navdata.  Monitor flightaware.com and you'll see that aircraft are turning East at SADDE at 10,000 then start the descent. They are not crossing BAYST at 10,000, which is only an 'EXPECT' altitude and not part of routine arrivals.  They cross SMO around 6000 and by the time they turn base they are at about 4000.  As I recommended above, if you use SADDE arrival to SMO then the SMO transition to ILS24R you'll follow real world traffic and avoid the slam dunk descent.

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LAX usually gives me a slam dunk from the north. 70 hdg out of SMO, and then, "traffic is a 757 at two o'clock, call it in sight for the visual 24R." No biggie. LAS is worse with the slams. They put you on a tight base and then clear you whereas LAX I think clears your on the downwind and you can turn at your discretion or gives you a long enough base.

 

Fun stuff.

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You guys are loading the SADDE arrival and not paying attention, just going by navdata.

 

No, I'm basing this on my experience flying into LAX.