I think that is irrelevant in this situation because he was from a well off family and was an avid aviator from an early age. His family could afford to send him to flying school so he had spent a lot of time with his local flying club and was well known in his local flying community.

 

Remember what the media did when they found FSX with the PMDG T7 on the MH370's Captain's computer, and he was already a trained experienced pilot?

Remember what the media did when they found FSX with the PMDG T7 on the MH370's Captain's computer, and he was already a trained experienced pilot?

Yeah I agree with you. Let's hope they don't find that, and if they do, that they don't blow it out of proportion.

Remember what the media did when they found FSX with the PMDG T7 on the MH370's Captain's computer, and he was already a trained experienced pilot?

 

Yes I know but it did blow over fairly quickly as well. Same with the 911 terrorists and that they may have used it as a training aid.  Reality is in all three of these incidents the pilots were all trained in reputable flight schools.

 

The only case I can recall of someone taking airplanes without proper training was that barefoot bandit (Colton Harris-Moore), how he didn't kill himself is beyond me.

Germanwings plane crash: Andreas Lubitz 'split up with girlfriend one day before tragedy'

 

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/germanwings-plane-crash-andreas-lubitz-5415168

 

 

What a pathetic excuse for a human being. If and I stress if this ends up being true, it would mean he murdered 149 people just for "payback" to teach his GF a lesson.

 

Yes I know but it did blow over fairly quickly as well. Same with the 911 terrorists and that they may have used it as a training aid.  Reality is in all three of these incidents the pilots were all trained in reputable flight schools.

 

 

There's a stack of printed toilet paper in England that somehow passes as a 'newpaper' called the Daily Mail, if authorites find a simulator on that First Officer's computer, the Daily Mail will have a field day!

Germanwings plane crash: Andreas Lubitz 'split up with girlfriend one day before tragedy'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/germanwings-plane-crash-andreas-lubitz-5415168

 

I came across another article on the Mirror site about Lubitz and another pilot that once flew with him.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/germanwings-co-pilot-andreas-lubitz-kept-5416012

 

A pilot who once flew with Lubitz told how he had left him alone in the cockpit to go to the loo – just like Captain Patrick Sonderheimer had on doomed Flight 9525.

Frank Woiton, 48, said: “I remember him well. I left my seat from time to time in the air to use the toilet [...]

“He had mastered the plane very well, he had everything under control. That’s why I left him alone in the cockpit.

 

“I am proud to be a pilot. Right now. The passengers and the crew trust me with their lives. By the unfathomable act of this man, endless confidence is destroyed that now must be rebuilt.”

 

Mr Woiton told how he volunteered to fly the day after the crash after several Germanwings crews refused to board their aircraft. He flew the Dusseldorf, Barcelona, Dusseldorf route.

The pilot, who hugged each passenger as they boarded his jet, said: “There was a crazy mood among the crew and flyers. You could see it in their faces.

 

“People should see that in the cockpit there is also another human being.

“I told them: ‘Sure, I will take you from Dusseldorf to Barcelona. You can rely on the fact that I want to sit this evening with my family at the dinner table’.””

 

What a great guy.

What a rollercoaster ride. The co-pilot was unfortunate victim on day one. Heartless murderer on day two. And now on day three a misunderstood and hopeless individual with complex mental issues. Kind of makes it hard to decide what to think, or how to feel.

 

I guess in the end if it leads to better talk and improvement about mental health...it will be good. But the evidence I'm reading really makes it hard to understand why Germanwings would have allowed him to co-pilot one of their aircraft. It's a no-win situation. If they said "no" then they are a heartless corporation with no leeway or understanding of mental issues...but if they say "yes" then they open themselves up to a tragedy like this. An impossible situation. I hope it never happens again.

 

Though this is often one of those "don't touch" topics, I will go on record as saying that I flew the same flight plan with an A320 last night...same route..same weather...same time. What struck me in flying the route was how beautiful it was...a little of everything...beautiful seas...then shores...then mountains...then hills and valleys. What a shame that the passengers only experienced terror. It's heartbreaking. I know that recreating tragic flight routes is probably a very bad thing to touch upon, but I viewed it more as a tribute than being simply creepy curiosity (and I have a hunch that far more of my fellow simmers have run this route in the last few days than would ever be willing to admit).

makes it hard to understand why Germanwings would have allowed him to co-pilot one of their aircraft.

Why do you assume Germanwings were aware of his illness? From what read/hear they had no clue.

Actually from what you hear from pilots and medical experts it is not difficult for a pilot to hide 

such conditions not only from his employer but also from his official pilot's medical examiner.

Germanwings plane crash: Andreas Lubitz 'split up with girlfriend one day before tragedy'

 

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/germanwings-plane-crash-andreas-lubitz-5415168

 

 

What a pathetic excuse for a human being. If and I stress if this ends up being true, it would mean he murdered 149 people just for "payback" to teach his GF a lesson

British media is reporting from French media which is reporting from German BILD. And BILD is a tabloid and not a "newspaper" for below average educated people who love to watch tits and read bullsh... stories already at a kiosk in the morning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BILD

 

BILD quoted an alleged ex-girlfriend of Andreas L. She allegedly claimed that he implied "his crime" (remember he is not yet guilty) already in 2014. And as said, BILD reports A LOT of nonsense.

 

The girlfriend of Andreas L. is unknown yet (i.e. not publicly known). Just like it is unknown yet if they really split up, when they split up, and if it was the "reason" for the alleged "suidide" (as claimed by a French state prosecutor after only 48 hours respectively after only a few hours after they got nothing more than a CVR recording). Also, media published a wrong photo of Andreas L. The wrong guy now is in trouble. His girlfriend also is in trouble because every nonentity reporter now believes she is the girlfriend of Andreas L.

 

Meanwhile the hosptial in which Andreas L. was treated recently has denied that he was in treatment due to depression.

 

So don't just jump on everyhing the press reports. Especially when someone in GB reports from someone in France which reports from someone somewhere about a German pilot. I actually expected that people in this forum are smart enough to wait for investigation and not blindly eat any news headline from everywhere in the world. Media just is going nuts at the moment to get as many clicks as possible. I can't even count how much nonsense articles I read during the last 3 days regarding aviation only in German media. Lots of "experts" and lots of nonsense. Even psychologists having their great 5 minutes in the media analyzing someone they didn't even know. I'm getting sick of this shi...

This is interesting

 

 

"For domestic flying in aircraft such as the Boeing 737, the idea of requiring two people in the cockpit at all times is almost an impossibility. The cockpit is small - so small in fact that if a pilot wished to go to the lavatory, he or she would have to completely exit the cockpit before another crew member (presumably a flight attendant) could enter. Even then, the crew member would have no room.

The jumbling of crew members would create an enormous amount of hassle, and potentially be unsafe.

It seems that the people who suggest these ideas as solutions are not qualified to do so and ought to spend some time doing their research"

 

 

The jumbling of crew members would create an enormous amount of hassle, and potentially be unsafe.

They have been doing at Ryanair (huge 737 operator) for quite some time so clearly it can be done.

This is interesting

 

 

"For domestic flying in aircraft such as the Boeing 737, the idea of requiring two people in the cockpit at all times is almost an impossibility. The cockpit is small - so small in fact that if a pilot wished to go to the lavatory, he or she would have to completely exit the cockpit before another crew member (presumably a flight attendant) could enter. Even then, the crew member would have no room.

The jumbling of crew members would create an enormous amount of hassle, and potentially be unsafe.

It seems that the people who suggest these ideas as solutions are not qualified to do so and ought to spend some time doing their research"

That's exatly what I was thinking of already. And I'm not even a real world aviator. Almost everyone who is visiting a 737 flight deck for the first time is actually surprised how small it is. You have to be relatively flexible for getting in the seat and take care not to ram your head somehwere. There might be a jump seat installed. But then the cockpit is cramped even more. The A320 has a little more room in the cockpit. But it's also relatively small.

 

The 4-eyes-rule might be useful on wide-body airliners. But it's just another measure out of helplessness because something happened that can not be prevented by 100%. Even a second person in the cockpit does not prevent such a disaster in all circumstances at 100%.

They have been doing at Ryanair (huge 737 operator) for quite some time so clearly it can be done.

No denying they can get 2 back in but I would bet anything that the flight attendant wont enter until the other pilot is out the door. No way are they going to try and squeeze in just so one foot is in the door before it closes which after all is the whole point of the exercise

They have been doing at Ryanair (huge 737 operator) for quite some time so clearly it can be done.

I'm sure removing all seats in the cabin and install handrails on the roof of the cabin for standing capacity is something that can be done at Ryanair as well...

I'm getting confused:

 

Is it possible for a CVR to record 'normal breathing' when the aircraft goes nearly 400 kts at 7.000 feet with A/C and cooling fans on?

Yes! The A320 cockpit is considerably quieter than most Boeings!

Yes! The A320 cockpit is considerably quieter than most Boeings!

Not really but than most older Boeings (707, 737-100 to 500, 747-100 to 300).

 

The noise level on the A320 flight deck is about 74 dB ambient and 85 dB with a headset. On the 757 you have 72 dB ambient and 81 to 87 dB with headset. On the 767 you have 71 dB ambient and 84 db with headset.

 

The breathing is recorded via the headset channels rather than via the area microphone (and I doubt the area microphone can capture any normal quiet breathing sound). But: why did he breath normally (allegedly) while his adrenaline level was rising? It is very unlikely that he stayed absolutely calm while the airplane was descending into the mountainous area.