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I did a test last night. With the current nvidia drivers, I cannot enable HDR  and fullscreen in Xplane 10 under Windows 10. I am uncertain if this is related to the nvidia drivers or x-plane 10 requires some code change under DirectX 12.

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I am uncertain if this is related to the nvidia drivers or x-plane 10 requires some code change under DirectX 12.

 

I was under the impression that X-Plane 10 runs under OpenGL and not DX

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XPlane 10 uses OpenGL not DX.

 

Windows 10 is still preview, it's not a full product.  Microsoft are pushing the release for later this year ... 

 

Cheers, Rob.

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XPlane 10 uses OpenGL not DX.

 

Windows 10 is still preview, it's not a full product.  Microsoft are pushing the release for later this year ... 

 

Cheers, Rob.

 

Still doesn't work  under Windows 10 with the latest Microsoft/Nvidia drivers.. Thanks for stating the obvious Rob :-)

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Have you updated your drivers to the Windows 10 version 349.90? You have to right click your display adaptor under device manager, and click update driver, which will install then.

 

Present NVidia drivers you can download as standalones are only for Windows 8.1 and older.

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Windows 10 is still preview, it's not a full product.

 

Plus it is probably still full of debug code.

I tried it out a couple of weeks back and quickly rolled back to W764 which it did very cleanly.

If the DX12 is as good as reports show then I will run my Sim partition on it for certain, but I could not look at that interface all day as my main OS, it looks like it was designed by a bunch of over-active school kids armed with a box of crayons.

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it looks like it was designed by a bunch of over-active school kids armed with a box of crayons.

 

Yeah it's still got the cray-o-la look ... again good for processing handicapped phones and mobile devices, but the desktop deserves a better user interface IMHO.  Microsoft is still trying to keep the "one OS for all" look and feel which is a shame (lesson not learned).  

 

I still have high hopes for Win10, but just have to wait and see ... if Microsoft still use the same market research group they used for Win 8.1 for UI feedback, then will be stuck with a slightly modified Windows 8.1.  As I understand it from my contacts in Microsoft, Win8.x UI was born out of a very narrowed scope of users (executives, small business owners) feedback, basically people that use mobile devices most of the time with infrequent use of a desktop device ... so Microsoft had a VERY skewed perspective.

 

Cheers, Rob.

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been using windows 10 with p3d and xplane through each build, i have not had any issues at all, you shouldnt jump to conclusions, just because it doesnt work for you.

eventually windows 7 will be the next xp and support being gone.

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i would say yes, but its clearly a pain in the rearend to reinstall everything for each new windows build, so i started jumping to every other one, the nvidia 349.90 drivers people say are buggy, but i havent had any issues, but as mentioned about it runs about the same on windows 10 as windows 8.1 without the disconnect issue.both my laptop and desktop is on 10 now.

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Hmmm... I'll be forced to upgrade in what? 2020? Is that the date when Win 7 won't have any more support?

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whatever, windows 7 is aged ,2020, 5 years,stay with it as long as you want, i could care less, windows 10 is the future, and directx 12 is very promising, how many updates do you install with windows 7 now? 200 or so. 

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I am in the process of installing the latest preview, but reading the Windows 10 insider forum the general feeling is that the interface is getting worse with every preview release.

Spartan browser seems to be a basic phone/tablet browser now and the look and feel is getting a real slating on the forum with MS starting to ban beta testers for suggesting the OS is ugly and unfriendly to use.

Good job this is going to be free to all 7 and 8.1 users because it could be a major train crash in the making for MS

 

 

Anyway I will see for myself in a hour or so... 6% gone according to the ugliest install screen I have seen since windows 3.0

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Windows 10 TP was pretty good back in December when I tried it, but was a dog's breakfast after the January update. Talk about taking a step backwards. I eventually went back to the awkward but familar W8.1. If only we could have the simplicity of Windows 7 with the performance and optimisation of W8.1 !

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What I cannot fathom is why MS is so determined in the face of so much critisism and loss of market share for their OS to push such a limited Tablet UI onto desktop users.

Is it really that difficult to have different UI's, Linux has had many different UI's available for years, users there choose how their OS looks and feels.

And where has all the graphic talent gone at MS, if they really have no one left that can draw an icon then just run a contest on the internet, lot of talent out there.

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Is it really that difficult to have different UI's

 

Microsoft is very much a company that is "Do as I say, not as I do" ... the UI dependency is a classic example of that.  Here I sit coding away working on an application that I designed to be a true 3 tier ... UI, business logic, back end database ... something Microsoft preach in most of their "best practices" documentation ... basically I'm coding such that my UI can be independent and relatively easy to swap out for some other UI -- benefit is nothing has to change on the business logic and back end.

 

But Microsoft doesn't follow it's own best practices when it comes to their OS and applications.  Microsoft dumped "best practices" for "least amount of work practices" - the "one UI for all" even when it doesn't make sense and consumers don't want it.  Consumer clearly voted a big NO for Win8.x, why repeat it?

 

Cheers, Rob.

 

 

windows 10 is the future, and directx 12 is very promising,

 

Agree with you on DX12 and it's currently the KEY leverage point Microsoft are using to get people to give up WinXP and Win7 (DX12 will NOT be made available for Win7).  However, in this day and age there is no need to produce "one UI for all" ... desktop work/gaming/simulation are very different environments than mobile computing.  At the very least Microsoft should offer some alternative UI OR allow 3rd party to provide an alternative UI ... but they don't practice what they preach ... there will be NO WAY to swap out the Win10 UI for something better.

 

Microsoft can't keep telling developers this is how you must code, but then not do it themselves ... credibility just goes out the window.

 

Cheers, Rob.

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It will be interesting how this pans out for MS, Windows 8 bombed and this looks to be even worse in the usability stakes.

It's almost as if they are determined to remove functionality and design an OS for the lowest denomination of hardware. the thing is I can accept my apps having a sparse interface on my android tablet, it has limited screen estate and needs to run for a long time on battery but on a powerful desktop I expect to have a few creature comforts in the way of customisation.

Well at least it is free....

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even with the latest build 10049 and the latest nvidia drivers. I can't enable HDR or play fullscreen in X-plane 10.

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Well I set off on this folly at 10:19, the installer downloaded quickly 2.5 gigs approx which ends up at 8 gigs installed.

It is now 1:58 and the installer is 83% through the "setting up" stage which is 25% of the way throught the install if the crudely drawn install screen is to be believed.

The previous tech preview that I had a look at in december was up and running in 45 mins.

 

Is there anyone left at Redmond that remembers how to code an operating system ?

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i am on build 10041 with the windows 10 nvidia drivers, hdr and everything works, i am only installing evey other cycle, the next should be from the slow ring with iso images,i have no interest in spartan, and thats what 10049 is targeted for

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A whole Tech preview release targeted around a very simple browser ?, they really should leave things like browsers to the third party devs, that's what everyone will end up using anyway.

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