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Don't upgrade to Windows 10 yet.

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I didn't say there was with 8.1. Neither did I say 10 would be a subscription service. Updates are free are they? Wow! That's very generous of them. Try playing Solitaire and see what you're presented with. Adverts unless you sign up to a subscription service.

 

And perhaps you're not bothered with no control over what updates are forced on you. I on the other hand, am. And I wouldn't want my PC acting as a feeder for updating other systems which apparently is an option you may have unwittingly chosen to enable.

Solitaire? Really? There's tons of other options. I do have control of what updates are "forced" to me thanks to MS releasing that tool (I also have the Pro version so I can have updates defered) As for the feeding others updates, to some people that's a huge bandwidth saver if you only set it to local(not really a problem to me as I have turned that off).

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Has anyone taken the Win10 plunge since the release?  Any problems?  I want to upgrade from 8.1 but don't want to be the first. :)

I have and Win 10 is great.

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Try playing Solitaire and see what you're presented with. Adverts unless you sign up to a subscription service.

 

 

I see that you haven't used W10 yourself. The "adverts" only appear if you click on a button to upgrade to "Premium solitaire". I don't use a MS Account in W10 and I have never been asked to, either.

 

 

 

And perhaps you're not bothered with no control over what updates are forced on you. I on the other hand, am. And I wouldn't want my PC acting as a feeder for updating other systems which apparently is an option you may have unwittingly chosen to enable.

Ray, please put your pitchfork down.

 

Yes, updates are forced, but so far I have only received security updates. I don't care if these are automatic.

 

And yes, by default, your computer will act as a "seeder" for updates for other users. But guess what? You can turn this off, or even set it so that your computer is a "seeder" for other computers in your LOCAL network ONLY.

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There are some well known 'issues' such as 'automatic driver updates' and the 'torrent' like distributed downloading method which even I now realise you can turn off.

 

What is hidden in the small print though is that your win10 update wont be valid if you significantly upgrade your hardware in the future. Thinking of buying a new skylake proc in a few months? Better factor in a win10 licence into the cost of that if you upgrade to 10 now, because your free upgrade to 10 is only valid for your current hardware...change it and pay.

 

Personally I think thats sneaky burying that in the snall print as I could stay with my current win7 as long as I like - if its an upgrade I should be able to use it for as long as my 7 licence would have been valid.

 

As it is its nothing more than a free preview, which M$ doesnt completely hide but isnt completely open about either... K

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My two office PCs migrated flawlessly, but my home rig failed miserably :-(

 

At first I was mad, after havin spent a few hours again, yesterday, trying to manually upgrade my Win 7 Home premium, but I was always getting an error message stating something about language incompatibility between my original win 7 install and the win 10 upgrade version - nonsense...

 

But, I had a moment of "light" and decided I shouldn't really spend my precious time doing something silly like, installing win 8.1 from scratch ( which I also own ) and then migrating to Win 10... Nah... I will wait for better times, and meanwhile, P3Dv2 and Aerowinx PSX are working just fine in 7...

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I see that you haven't used W10 yourself. The "adverts" only appear if you click on a button to upgrade to "Premium solitaire". I don't use a MS Account in W10 and I have never been asked to, either.

 

No intention to as I said earlier. How does it improve FSX? No-one has said anything about that yet. Actually, apart from the new look what does get improved over 7 which is an extremely good OS? Surely opting for a premium Solitaire should remove ads, not start them?

 

Ray, please put your pitchfork down.

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Yes, updates are forced, but so far I have only received security updates. I don't care if these are automatic.

Neither would I but they will also update your nVidia drivers whether you want them or not.

 

And yes, by default, your computer will act as a "seeder" for updates for other users. But guess what? You can turn this off, or even set it so that your computer is a "seeder" for other computers in your LOCAL network ONLY.

 

And how many normal users will be aware of that and be able to disable it? Unless it's clearly pointed out and explained what the benefits / drawbacks are it's not something I would welcome.

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And how many normal users will be aware of that and be able to disable it?

 

Any educated person that takes about 15 minutes total and goes through each screen reading the options. It's not like MS is hiding anything. An informed user is an intelligent user. Kind of like those that actually read a software manual.

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There are some well known 'issues' such as 'automatic driver updates' and the 'torrent' like distributed downloading method which even I now realise you can turn off.

 

What is hidden in the small print though is that your win10 update wont be valid if you significantly upgrade your hardware in the future. Thinking of buying a new skylake proc in a few months? Better factor in a win10 licence into the cost of that if you upgrade to 10 now, because your free upgrade to 10 is only valid for your current hardware...change it and pay.

 

Personally I think thats sneaky burying that in the snall print as I could stay with my current win7 as long as I like - if its an upgrade I should be able to use it for as long as my 7 licence would have been valid.

 

As it is its nothing more than a free preview, which Microsoft doesnt completely hide but isnt completely open about either... K

This is false. Once you upgrade, you get a "like version" of your previous Windows.

 

If you had an OEM/System Builder license and you upgrade, your new license will be OEM/System builder.

 

If you had a full, retail version and you upgrade, your new license will be a full, retail version. 

 

Regardless, if you upgrade hardware, you should have 0 problems reinstalling Windows, even if you have the OEM/system builder license, as MS will simply reactivate your OEM/system builder key if you call them after you change hardware.

 

 

And how many normal users will be aware of that and be able to disable it? Unless it's clearly pointed out and explained what the benefits / drawbacks are it's not something I would welcome.

So you consider yourself a "normal user"? I assume you spend hours configuring FSX/P3D to your taste, yet you can't go into the settings and turn off a simple toggle? 

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they will also update your nVidia drivers whether you want them or not

 

 

This has been stated in a lot of places but I'm not sure it is true.  There is a setting that supposedly turns off automatic device driver updates, in my Win 10 Pro anyway -- right-click the start button and select System/Advanced System Settings/Hardware tab/Device Installation Settings.  I guess only time will tell how effective this setting is.

 

Rick

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False, really?

From: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-win_upgrade/reinstalling-windows-10-after-upgrade/578d0b7f-57e4-4893-b9d1-6cfac0d6290a?auth=1

 

Q: What happens if I change the hardware configuration of my Windows 10 device? (it’s the second question from the top)

 

A quick glance at the answer might mislead you.

 

“Answer(part 1) : If the hardware configuration of your Windows 10 device changes significantly (e.g. motherboard change) Windows may require re-activation on the device. This is the same experience as prior versions of Windows (e.g. Windows 7 and Windows 8.1).”

 

Fair enough, no problem there.

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BUT!

 

“Answer(part 2): “The free upgrade offer will not apply to activation of Windows 10 in such scenarios where hardware changes reset Activation. ”

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“Answer(part 2): “The free upgrade offer will not apply to activation of Windows 10 in such scenarios where hardware changes reset Activation. ”

I don't think you understand.

 

When you upgrade from retail, non-OEM W7 or W8.1, your key will also begin unlocking W10.

 

Even if you build an entire new computer, your key goes with you.

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Any educated person that takes about 15 minutes total and goes through each screen reading the options. It's not like MS is hiding anything. An informed user is an intelligent user. Kind of like those that actually read a software manual.

If it's a clearly displayed option when going through a set of options then that seems okay. I imagined it may have been buried somewhere.

 

Do we get software manuals any more?


 

 


So you consider yourself a "normal user"? I assume you spend hours configuring FSX/P3D to your taste, yet you can't go into the settings and turn off a simple toggle?

If it's clearly displayed then fine. Some of these options aren't. And no, once I set-up FSX as I wanted it I leave it alone.


 

 


This has been stated in a lot of places but I'm not sure it is true. There is a setting that supposedly turns off automatic device driver updates, in my Win 10 Pro anyway

Many won't have Pro. Hopefully the user will have some control over which drivers they can install.

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Many won't have Pro. Hopefully the user will have some control over which drivers they can install.

Both Home and Pro cannot control updates.

 

The only thing that Pro can do that Home cannot is DEFER updates, which means they won't install until a few months after they're released.

 

But guess what? Both Home and Pro can make use of this tool: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930?utm_source=twitter

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But guess what? Both Home and Pro can make use of this tool: https://support.micr..._source=twitter

The key word there being temporarily.

 

I still don't get why people would choose 10 over 7 when you lose such an important part of control yet gain nothing in FSX/P3D performance in return.

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The key word there being temporarily.

 

I still don't get why people would choose 10 over 7 when you lose such an important part of control yet gain nothing in FSX/P3D performance in return.

Temporarily can be forever if you never click to install the update again.

 

Lots of people are reporting performance increases, just like W8 did.

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The key word there being temporarily.

 

I still don't get why people would choose 10 over 7 when you lose such an important part of control yet gain nothing in FSX/P3D performance in return.

It has been shown in some benchmarks that 8/8.1/10 have some performance improvements over 7 in some programs. Just look at this Battlefield 3 benchmark: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-8-gaming-performance,3331-4.html.

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This is false. Once you upgrade, you get a "like version" of your previous Windows.

 

If you had an OEM/System Builder license and you upgrade, your new license will be OEM/System builder.

 

If you had a full, retail version and you upgrade, your new license will be a full, retail version.

 

Regardless, if you upgrade hardware, you should have 0 problems reinstalling Windows, even if you have the OEM/system builder license, as MS will simply reactivate your OEM/system builder key if you call them after you change hardware.

 

You carry on believing that then, simply because thats been the way in the past, AFTER you've bought a licence for an OS, but it ISNT what MS are offering here. The small print very clearly says its free at first, but if you try to activate following hardware upgrade, it won't be valid, the unassailable implication being you will have to cough up to then install Win10. If you dont agree lets just agree to disagree and leave it at that :) Cheers K

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1. Install Win 7/8 and activate.

 

2. Use the .iso file to upgrade to Win 10.

 

3. Enjoy Win 10 on your new computer.

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1. Install Win 7/8 and activate.

 

2. Use the .iso file to upgrade to Win 10.

 

3. Enjoy Win 10 on your new computer.

You don't have to install W7 or 8.1 first!

 

 

When you upgrade once, your W7 or 8.1 key BECOMES a W10 one. You can clean install just like you always would!

. The small print very clearly says its free at first, but if you try to activate following hardware upgrade, it won't be valid, the unassailable implication being you will have to cough up to then install Win10. If you dont agree lets just agree to disagree and leave it at that :) Cheers K

Microsoft has ALWAYS done that with OEM licenses. Nothing new.

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Temporarily can be forever if you never click to install the update again.

 

No Diego, if you cancel updates for long enough (year?) your install is marked invalid.

There is no way round this unfortunately, you will have to accept whatever MS sees fit to put on your system or lose your licence.

Defend it all you want but with Win10 you no longer have a Personal PC.

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The topic should be "What - you haven't upgraded to Win 10 yet??"  :)

 

cheers

jja

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Temporarily can be forever if you never click to install the update again.

 

Lots of people are reporting performance increases, just like W8 did.

 

Conflicting info being posted now about updates and whether you can control them or not.

 

As I'm happy with FSX performance with 7 I have no need for 10. Sorry, but I'm a firm believer in no such thing as a free lunch. If it sounds too good to be true it generally is. MS have never offered a free upgrade on any other OS so why start now? That's a rhetorical question.

 

That's me done on this. Enjoy 10 and all it gives you.

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Win10 you no longer have a Personal PC.

Personal Personal Computer?

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Well,

 

just took the plunge...

 

It took me a whole afternoon because, I had win 7 Home Premium, which didn't want to upgrade, but then I remembered I also had a win 8 Pro disk, so....

 

1) Upgraded from win 7 Home, to win 8 Pro, clearing all apps and private data;

 

2)Without applying any updates to win 8 Pro, upgraded directly into Win 10 Pro;

 

3)Installed all my stuff, the Nvidia drivers were actually automatically installed , for my GTX 650 Ti, at the 2nd reboot of the PC, latest version!

 

4) By the end of the afternoon, sim install began and I can happily report that:

 

- Aerowinx PSX is working beautifully, as well as Visual PSX

- ASN for P3D v2 is working like a charm ( v5689 - latest public beta)

- P3Dv2.5 ( latest release ) is also working smooth and silk!

 

I am now a very happy win 10 Pro user :-))))))

 

P.S.: I just didn't yet figure out where to get my win 10 Pro key from, should I need to install it again one day ?  Any hints ?

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