Yea, but if it works then it is worth it. I'm fairly new to this (I starting with FS9 in January), so I don't know if this is just my bad piloting or if something's wrong with my installation of the Fanda Dash 8. I've read the manual (several times) and I'm pretty sure that I have all of the steps to get the engines running at full power. (Those sounds are incredible!) At takeoff, however, the nose jumps up right away and I go into an unrecoverable stall. Setting the trim down doesn't seem to help. I've even tried rolling to takeoff speed and then slewing to altitude just to see if I could gain control - even with full trim down and full joystick forward it still jumps up and stalls. I'm no seasoned pilot, but I've tried all the default planes and about a dozen downloaded planes [including the PAD Dash 8], and none of them behave like this.I've tried the 'a' version (for 2002) and I've tried applying the 'b' patch (for 2004).I read somewhere that you need to have FSUIPC for it to work. I have unregistered FSUIPC v3.47 with something else (is it SB?). Is thisstrange takeoff behaviour due to the fact that FSUPIC isn't registered?I read somewhere else that it might be a load distribution problem. I've played around with the PAX loader and even tried setting the load balance to the front - to no avail. When I try to set the fuel and payload inside FS9, FS locks up and restarts.Anyone had this happen? The last paragarph.I did. It wasn't answered in the origional post on the fandy forum.JimCYWG

Jim,I had simular problems and I was told to go into my Dhc8f300.iniand set EPIC=0, I not saying this will solve your prtblems, but give it a try, you never know.-Pau C

Hi Jim,Come over to the Fanda forum and we'll get you sorted out with the freeware version of the Fanda Dash-8.http://bathursted.ccnb.nb.ca/fanda/forum/Kris

I certainly don't have this problem with the freeware Fanda dash 8, although my install is heavily tweaked in ways that I have now forgotten after 12 months or more. Haven't flown the Fanda Dash 8 in quite a while but this arvo went for a short hop between KSEA and CYVR and was reminded again what an amazing aircraft it is - the sounds just leave any other turboprop for dead.By the way, one of the few issues with the freeware Fanda dash 8 is the limited FMC database, is this fixed ion the payware version?Bruceb

I've really bought the mentioned addons and even a lot more. I'm not making any of them down and I'm not telling that I've been disappointed in Dreamfleet or Flight1 addons. Those have all been great and I've enjoyed them a lot. You're right - it's not possible to master every aircraft professionally and I'm not doing this. I've never managed to operate the ATR nor 727 with such a dedicated concentration like I've done with 737s and 767. I'm not trying to say here that the Dash8 is the best of the best and puts all the other addons to knees. It's just another very great product which I'm satisfied with. I would put it to kinda same level with the LDS767 that's still for me the best addon for FS ever made.If comparing the ATR and Dash8 then I would say they are kinda similar as well if talking about the level of realism. What the ATR lacks is for example the instructor console. I believe that the engine logic and turboprop sounds may also be more advanced on the Dash. This should although be commented by some ATR pilot instead of me, maybe those sounds really are completely realistic on the ATR. One of the big advantage of the ATR over the Dash is probably the photo-realistic look of all the panels which add a lot to the environment and I like the Config Manager which Flight1 has developed.Actually I also experienced the nose up behaviour after take-off. Somehow I got rid of it though. Firstly check that you don't have the "fix control acceleration" enabled in FSUIPC or the trimming will be so slow that you will maybe not notice any difference at all.

I fully agree with you George! I am also George.I too, have the A36, C182, Pilatus PC12, Citation CJ 1 the DF and CS 727, the SSW A310, the PSS A320 and A330, the LD 767, The F1 ATR, the CS 707 ... all in all I have 64 add-ons for FS, including sceneries and such.Although I don't claim to be a pilot, I have also mastered all of the above and feel proficient with them.And how are you George? I remember you from the SSW A310 forums.I am thinking of getting this Dash8. What do you think? Your opinion, I can believe!!!George Joachimin UAE (OMRK)Expat in the Arab Gulf

Refering to Agamemnon's comment above:Good Grief man ... that was one of the rudest comments I have seen here in some time.Totally amazing to me

Hello George,Good to hear from you. Get the Dash8. Like I said, systems modeling is incredible. Flight model is also excellent when compared to the "book". Been flying the freeware version for years and love it. The payware version takes it up several notches. Like has been mentioned, the panel graphics aren't the greatest if you compare it to something like the ATR. I use the Dreamwings Dash8-100 with the panel and it looks fabulous. A memeber of the Fanda development group came up with the merge so it works extremely well.

Apologies George if my comments caused offence, what I meant to reinforce was that at least in my case it is simply not possible to become completely proficient in all the growing number of complex addons I have acquired at the same time. That said I surprised myself as what I still remembered about the freeware Fanda Dash 8 when I went for a flight today after more than 12 months of not using it. I think it is easier to be across most Boeings as they have a lot of commonality but I become stretched when you throw in all the other addons I have as well unless I manage to use them on a regular basis.Bruceb

Wow, so many Georges that my brain is getting a bit confused here! :-hahHi George Joachim,Nice to hear from you! I've been fine, lots of things to do although I've had enough time to enjoy the great addons for FS too. No idea what is going on with SSW right now... the A310 was left quite buggy as I remember and they were developing an A320, but haven't heard about that project anymore. Basically I can tell this to all of you - go and try the freeware Dash 8 and also have a look at the screenshots of mine and others. If you like those then you'll be more than satisfied with the recently released product and I can say this for sure - you will not be disappointed in the sounds or flight dynamics. There are LOTS of improvements in the new version.By the way it's probably worth mentioning that the engine sounds on take-off are totally amazing. Yesterday when I had the volume a bit above normal and the Cambridge Soundworks subwoofer was at the 1/4 level, then I honestly felt that it's going to blow me away from the desk! In fact the whole room was vibrating when the engines spooled up :D But no worries, the huge vibration goes away when the engines stabilize at the take-off setting.Bruceb,Don't worry, it's ok. Your post really sounded a bit offensive at the first place, but I can understand your point. It's indeed easier to go from Boeing to Boeing as the planes like Dash 8, ATR, CRJ or ERJ-145 have quite different system logics and operational procedures each and they require a lot of learning in order to fly them well.

>The payware version takes it up several>notches. George,I wonder if you could be a bit more specific. I've been flying the payware version for a couple of days now and I'm not completely convinced it's that much of an improvement.Maybe I've missed something.

Hello John,Well, what I've seen so far is the FMC is much more complete. The flight dynamics seem to be considerably better also. (Of course I'm basing this totally on "book" numbers since I've never even been inside a real Dash8). Exterior textures are much better and the Dream Wings merge that is available for the Payware version works beautifully. The VC is a nise addition but honestly I simply don't care for VS's so that no biggie for me. I also like the failure station although I haven't played with it that much.I guess it really boils down to this with me. I loved the freeware version and realize the time involved in this version. Kind of see it as paying for the payware version and giving a little something for all the enjoyment I received with the freeware version (if that makes any sense)

George,Where can we find the Dream Wings merge that is available for the Payware version? I would really like to give it a try.Thanks Paul

George,I found it: http://www.virtualwideroe.com/modules.phpn...download&cid=14Thanks.