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Could someone please comment on how to open the doors: the procedure is described on page 38 of the manual. Doing so, the opening sound is audible but nothing is visible.

 

Michael

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Could someone please comment on how to open the doors: the procedure is described on page 38 of the manual. Doing so, the opening sound is audible but nothing is visible.

 

Michael

 

 Michael,

 

The manual is correct, make sure you are not parked at a fuel gate or the known FSX problem may prevent the doors opening. If you still can't open them JF support is second only to HIFI Sim.

 

steve s

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I would be quite happy taking Rick's HS748, and adding a high quality VC to it.

 

So would I. But here we are talking about the Fokker 27 by a different developer.

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I wasn't implying that I want Rick's HS748 instead of the JustFlight Fokker 27, Louis. Please don't start making faulty assumptions about my comments. This is a discussion forum, not a court of law.

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I would be quite happy taking Rick's HS748, and adding a high quality VC to it.

 

I agree with you there Chistopher.  Even today, Ricks visual  HS748 model is of a high standard.    It would be awesome with a HQ VC

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I agree with you there Chistopher.  Even today, Ricks visual  HS748 model is of a high standard.    It would be awesome with a HQ VC

 

Yeah, indeed. It´s modeling and systems were lightyears ahead of its time. 

Btw. another Fokker I´d like to have represented with today standards is the Fokker F28 Fellowship. There was once the model by Project Fokker, I loved cruising around with that. 

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I wasn't implying that I want Rick's HS748 instead of the JustFlight Fokker 27, Louis. Please don't start making faulty assumptions about my comments. This is a discussion forum, not a court of law.

 

Then perhaps we can stay on-topic? That was my meaning (and you therefore made an incorrect assumption) - the replies that came following your comment immediately skewed the topic. I was hoping to have user corrections and suggestions about the Fokker 27 in this thread, not wishful thinking about non-existent sim models.

 

The Fokker 27 is so close to being excellent, but it appears that `edges` are missing that might mark this out as superlative. Night lighting, self-shadowing, mentioning fuel trimming in the run up to release only to find it's not simulated, the errors in the .cfg file etc.

 

If we can focus on the suggestions and issues for this aircraft in this topic there is plenty of scope to discuss 748's and 28's another time. It is a discussion forum. Aeroplane Heaven do have something of a track record in bailing on a project before they can make it truly excellent, so as early-adopters we should make our voices heard before their interest wanes. And JF need to be turning the screws to make their customers happy and on-topic discussions such as these are the means to do it.

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I have read several questions about the Dart having reverse props or not. The answer is no. What F27 and HS748 do have is a "ground fine" option - engaging it after touchdown was standard procedure and though the results weren't as dramatic as reverse, it did significantly increase drag at higher runway speeds and resulted in a shorter stopping distance.

Cheers

Ian

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Confirm the looping engine sound issue - in my case I hear a distinct 'click' too, when the loop restarts :(

 

Maybe a combination with other addons? Can't remember that I ever experienced something like this before though

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Just flight have an Introductory offer valid for the next 48 hours £19.99 / €24.95 / $29.99

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Enjoying the challenge of old school nav in a classic aircraft I remember well..

 

Couple of questions..... On the HSI there does not appear to be a From/To indicator. Also there is a random white arrow head on the HSI outer ring.... I cannot work out the function of this, it does not seem to correspond to either course or heading, nor any nav function I can think of..

 

Any ideas?  The From/To indication is a vital function for VOR nav.....

 

chris from oz

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Thanks Tony......

 

Not the usual To/From indication I'm used to..... not quite how that works..... A few test flights are in order to sort it out methinks...

 

chris

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Re my above on the HSI From/To flag....  Test flights done....  It is definitely NOT the small white arrow on the outer circle of the HSI, not sure what that does, but it is related to NAV2/ADF2....

 

Found a few videos, and although blurry indicate the F27 does have the traditional From/To indicatior on the HSI, in the form of a solid white triangle in the centre, either just above or just below.

 

This is not present on this aircraft.  Is this a bug or intentional?  As a work-around I can use the green needle (set to NAV 1) on the RMI.

 

chris from oz

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I really enjoy flying this plane:

 

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Michael, how did you get your flight instruments panel to illuminate like that? When I've flown it, it remained dark.

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There are light switches in the down left corner of the overhead.

The pics are from P3D, works like a charm in it!

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I tried those switches and I did not get the level of illumination your screenshots show.

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Do you usw it in FSX or P3D?

I am flying it in P3D 2.5 with HDR on.

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Disappointed...

 

Hi @ll, can't help feeling a little let down by the F27.

 

My gripes are:

- quite a few interesting controls/systems are not functional or do something else like toggle visual goodies instead (cabin pressure, AP servo switches, weather radar, engine power selector, isolation switch, GPWS, fuel datum trim, de icing (didn't understand the manual if the anti ice is simulated at all, 'something to play with on long flights??'))

- No configuration utility or in-sim-panel, no persistent panel states

- It doesn't interface well with my Saitek switch and multipanel

- I have an annoying sound issue on my system, when the engine sound loop restarts I hear a click - like every few seconds. TrackIR seems to make it worse. The F28 is the only one of my planes that does this - and I bought exactly 79 payware offerings, pretty much everything that is worth having and then some.

- VC is not well modelled throughout, the texturing and objects are rather basic, reminiscent of the Constellation. The circuit breaker panel behind the FO is a blurry mess (of course you will only notice this if you use TrackIR to look around and -feel- the cockpit - but these things kill it for me).

- I hate tooltipps.I don't care for a dev who expects me to rely on them to determine a lever position (HPC)

- (minor) I would have liked at least a basic cabin model, to enjoy the much praised unobstructed passenger view through the large windows

 

On the plus side are the FPS friendly behaviour and the "hop in and fly" attitude. I just hope the sound thing get's sorted out, seeing I'm not the only one.

 

Someone talked about "study aircraft" and compared it to the Majestic Q400 - personally, I don't see how these two could fit into the same sentence.

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I think it's clear by now that only a few developers can or do develop "full aircrafts", specifically ones that model the systems in full.  The price for these is( but not always) the distinguishing factor.  I do purchase JF aircrafts with the idea that 1. no one else has a similar model, and 2. that they are "light".  There are a few bugs, and I am not happy that there are no 2D panels for "aiding" when flying. How does one hand fly and tune the radio without being able to look at the Artificial Horizon is a mystery. Yet, JF expects us to tune radios during approach without any visual instrument cues.  These shows a bit of stubborness or deafness with regard to achieving a balance. 

 

There was a time when I could use FS Panel Studio to add a few 2d controls. Now it's utterly impossible. This,in my opinion, is not a good trend.

 

Again, some aircraft may have very robust autopilots, and the need for 2d is less of a requirement. The F27 is clearly not one of those.

 

The flight model, however, is so good that I hand fly it. And for this, I am glad I bought it.

 

There are bugs, and the VOR missing to/from flag and the sudden engine acceleration are a serious problem.

tony

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I think it's clear by now that only a few developers can or do develop "full aircrafts", specifically ones that model the systems in full. 

 

True of course. Guess I fell for the hype when people felt so excited about it, and praised JF for leaping forward. I find it a small step back for JF actually, considering the Canberra turned out so well.

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Do you usw it in FSX or P3D?

I am flying it in P3D 2.5 with HDR on.

P3D, and HDR is off. Will try that. Thanks.

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Woah - summaries and conclusions aside - Give JF a chance to release a patch guys! ( I hope they do - but like all these things, if it doesn't sell well I cannot see a patch forthcoming - they will move onto the next model).

 

I guess as a commerical reality there is nothing unusual in that stance.

 

I bought it after watching a couple of videos and some of the initial feedback, It was reasonably priced and yes, some things about it annoy me, but it is stable and a pretty good model. Just waiting patiently for someone to do a better Paint Job - a more worn looking model as befits the age and please tone down the red in the VC Cockpit. This is just too garish and unrealistic.

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True of course. Guess I fell for the hype when people felt so excited about it, and praised JF for leaping forward. I find it a small step back for JF actually, considering the Canberra turned out so well.

 

Just to be clear, there are several development teams that produce the aircraft that we release under our JF banner. For example the Fokker 27, DC-8 and Viscount are developed for us by Aeroplane Heaven, whereas the Canberra PR9, Tristar and upcoming Tornado GR1 are developed by our in-house development team. Different development teams have their own artistic styles and will model systems at different levels. We aim to make this clear in the product specs (the product page), the screenshots and price point. 

 

With respect to the F-27, if you haven't already done so please make sure to send any feedback or bug reports to the support team - http://www.justflight.com/support-contact

 

Martyn - Just Flight

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