Plea to Developers of FSX Addons. Limit .Net to 4.0

[BeechPilot 0]

Plea to Developers of FSX Addons.  Limit .Net to 4.0 .

 

FSX runs on XP

FSX-SE runs on XP

 

Therefore FSX addons should also be able to run on XP !

 

If you create your addons to Require .Net 4.5 (or above),   then those still running XP  cannot use your addons.

 

Is there really some feature in 4.5  that you MUST use, that is not in 4.0 ??

 

While number of XP users is declining, is it really worth excluding those XP customers by making your addon require 4.5.  ??

 

Note: The developers of FSX-SE , while compiling with VS2013, limited FSX-SE's  .net  version requirements to not exceed 4.0,  thus making FSX-SE still runnable on XP.

 

 

 

 

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[Luke 782]

 

 

Therefore FSX addons should also be able to run on XP ! If you create your addons to Require .Net 4.5 (or above),   then those still running XP  cannot use your addons.

 

People running XP comprise, for me at least, somewhere around 3% of my user base. It's a 15 year old Operating System, out of support and pretty darn insecure. In 2002 we didn't have people clamoring for Windows 2.0 support.

 

If you don't want to move your technology forward, that's your right. However, don't be surprised when software authors don't want to support a myriad of old platforms. Making a package incapable of running on them is probably better than allowing it to run and having a variety of edge cases and issues to track down.

 

Cheers!

 

Luke

[gizmosellsbunnys 106]

Microsoft will likely offer windows 10 for free as they got mobile apps to peddle Nowdays.

[BeechPilot 0]

 

 

If you don't want to move your technology forward, that's your right. However, don't be surprised when software authors don't want to support a myriad of old platforms.

 

And FSX is not an "old Platform" ??    <sigh>

[Jim Young 2,356]

FSX was developed for Windows Vista and not for XP (but backwards compatible).  Vista was immediately replaced by Windows 7.  No one should still be using XP and, if they are, they should not be installing modern addons that were developed for older operating systems.  Most addon developers provide minimum specs for the proper operation of their addon.  Microsoft.net's are used by developers to make sure their product is running properly as they intended and manage memory for their product.  If you own XP, you just will not be able to enjoy FSX/FSX-SE or many of their addons like others who have upgraded to the latest and greatest stuff.

 

Best regards,

[Guest]

If one is developing any application that needs to pass PADS/PCI security compliance and audit scans, then One can't use anything less than .NET 4.5. I've had to upgrade a couple of applications I wrote from .NET 4.0 to 4.5 because it failed security scans.

 

However these weren't Flight Sim related.

 

FYI .NET 5.0 is coming out soon. The benefit to having .NET framework is not having to re-write stuff that's already there - speeds up development.

 

Cheers, Rob

[dgraham1284 92]

There is zero benefit to still be using XP. Zero. If you're NASA and using highly complicated software that would literally cost millions to rewrite and test then I can see it. Any other reason, I just can't see. 

[tf51d 284]

 

 

FSX was developed for Windows Vista and not for XP (but backwards compatible).

 

Yes and no. At time of release I would say more no! It is true FSX was planned to be the showcase gaming app for Vista, but at the point of release, neither Vista nor the features in FSX that would benefit from Vista, namely DX10 was ready at the time. DX10 wasn't introduced until SP2 and then only a preview version. So in my view FSX is more of a native WinXP program, then Vista.

[BeechPilot 0]

Yes and no. At time of release I would say more no! It is true FSX was planned to be the showcase gaming app for Vista, but at the point of release, neither Vista nor the features in FSX that would benefit from Vista, namely DX10 was ready at the time. DX10 wasn't introduced until SP2 and then only a preview version. So in my view FSX is more of a native WinXP program, then Vista.

 

Almost Correct   

 

FSX was planned to be the showcase for PC Gaming Apps using DX10.

 

Despite the early hype, (and in infamous Artist's Rendition of what FSX would look like under DX10),  it turned out that game programming for DX10 was no so straight forward, and even Microsoft experienced technical issues programming for DX10,  so they backed off with FSX, and announced that FSX would only "Preview" DX10.

 

To run DX10, you need Vista  or  higher  (  No official MS Dx10  for XP)

 

2 informative links, if anyone is interested in details :-

 

https://www.raymond.cc/blog/easily-install-and-download-directx-10-for-windows-xp/

 

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/32-bit-vs-64-bit-how-it-relates-to-video-cards.91260/

 

Geoff

 

(4 years I'll never get back  -but enjoyable times - Beta Testing FSX , SPI, SP2, & X-Pack)

 

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[codechris 9]

You should get off XP as quickly as possible, it's very insecure. And couple that with there are huge problems with SSL libraries, so soon, when web sites make the jump, lots of SSL websites will stop working for you. Thankfully, W10 will be free for you, so you don't have to wait too much longer

[tf51d 284]

Almost Correct   

 

FSX was planned to be the showcase for PC Gaming Apps using DX10.

 

Despite the early hype, (and in infamous Artist's Rendition of what FSX would look like under DX10),  it turned out that game programming for DX10 was no so straight forward, and even Microsoft experienced technical issues programming for DX10,  so they backed off with FSX, and announced that FSX would only "Preview" DX10.

 

To run DX10, you need Vista  or  higher  (  No official MS Dx10  for XP)

 

2 informative links, if anyone is interested in details :-

 

https://www.raymond.cc/blog/easily-install-and-download-directx-10-for-windows-xp/

 

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/32-bit-vs-64-bit-how-it-relates-to-video-cards.91260/

 

Geoff

 

(4 years I'll never get back  -but enjoyable times - Beta Testing FSX , SPI, SP2, & X-Pack)

 

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Was that not what I said? Neither Vista, or DX10 was ready at the time of FSX release in  Oct 2006 on Win XP, Vista wasn't released to the public until 1/2007. (Although it was available to manufacturing earlier)  FSX SP2 which included the DX10 Preview wasn't released until 10/2007.

[tttocs 301]

XP was absolutely and without question one of the best Windows releases.  Stable, solid and reliable.  But honestly, its time has passed, and the security issues are starting to pile up. 

 

Expecting a developer to limit their tools in order to support a system used by a fraction of their market is just not reasonable.  With all due respect... it's time.  And unless you're one of the incredibly small handful running the dubious 64 bit version of XP, the benefits of moving to a 64 bit OS are, alone, worth the upgrade in terms of FSX.

 

Not trying to dump on ya, but facts is facts.

 

Scott

[goates 576]

 

 

Was that not what I said? Neither Vista, or DX10 was ready at the time of FSX release in  Oct 2006 on Win XP, Vista wasn't released to the public until 1/2007. (Although it was available to manufacturing earlier)  FSX SP2 which included the DX10 Preview wasn't released until 10/2007.

 

Another issue related to the many delays in the development of Vista was the lack of DX10 GPUs until late in the development cycle. And when the DX10 video cards were released, the drivers weren't exactly stable. Someone even tried to launch a class action lawsuit against Nvidia because of the problems. 

[Slayer 190]

Iran was using XP for their nuclear reactors which the US hackers quickly compromised and shut down....just saying. 

 

XP was so insecure, I once had a fresh non SP install on a clean HD getting popups and virus the second it was connected to the internet - good riddance. I don't miss the days of helping bail out every friend or family with XP...