I have to ask what is Microsoft idea behind not allowing users to control updates in Windows 10?

[codechris 9]

I wondered if the no dvd software was because of the past legal problems Microsoft has had with including media players. I wonder if there was a licensing issue, or they just thought ###### it, less devices have CD/DVD drives in them. I built this computer a year ago and put a blue-ray player in. It was £20 so why not, but only used it for older games where I have the disc. But, getting hold of one of the hundreds of players is no issue. I do wonder though, they are not specifically speaking of a media player, it will come with a media player, but the ability for that media player to play DVD's. It does seam odd, there is a reason for it though, like everything

[Christopher Low 5,332]

Has Blu-Ray taken over from DVD now? I assume that means that Blu-Ray players are cheap enough these days, and they can also play standard DVDs?

[Luke 782]

 

 

I find it hard to believe they are still making a 32bit version of Windows 10 ... heck, my phone is 64bit.

 

That's easy - x64 mode means that the CPU can no longer switch into 16-bit virtual 86 mode. I'd imagine there's still a ton of legacy 16-bit Windows software kicking around in enterprises, and Microsoft wants those folks to update as well.

 

Cheers!

 

Luke

[codechris 9]

Luke's right, MS has a big legacy use, and they want customers to still be able to use Windows if they can't use 64Bit. MS is far FAR better then Apple at supporting users for more then about 6 weeks past the new version, they actually support users who cannot upgrade.

 

And blue ray players are cheap Chris, I didn't know there was ever a point in which Blue-Ray players couldn't play DVD's. Infact I'm struggling to believe that ever was the case. But here's a link, maybe mine was a bit more then £20, but was cheap none the less

 

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=701&catid=10

[Guest]

BD will require licensing from Sony ... probably something Microsoft can't afford to put into a free OS.

 

 

 

MS is far FAR better then Apple at supporting users for more then about 6 weeks past the new version, they actually support users who cannot upgrade.

 

And this is also their ball and chain and it's a weakness holding them back from progression.  Agree that Apple will pretty much drop you (hardware wise) after 2-3 iterations and you'll be on your own or you'll have to upgrade your hardware ... but it terms of moving platforms along and not being handicapped by legacy it's a smart move financially for Apple as it ensures continued growth revenue.

 

MS legacy support is in part why so many held on to WinXP and probably why so many will hang on to Win7.  Microsoft have built their own legacy prison ... dangers of not having proprietary EFI and hardware agreements (Apple cover both sides software and hardware).  Being "open" comes at the cost of progression.  Two opposing philosophies but one company is clearly doing better than the other ... and that company is Apple.

 

I'm not saying right or wrong ... market decides, but Microsoft doesn't seem to believe the market can decide and I think that's the real problem with Microsoft ... they're trying to argue what a market wants and that's just a road to no where.

 

Cheers, Rob.

[codechris 9]

Nobody describes MS as open...but I see what you're getting at. They are far more open then Apple. And lets be honest, Apple are TERRIBLE when it comes to security. Awful awful awful.

 

That being said, and a summery of what you wrote; MS makes a tonne of money from enterprises, Apple not so much. In fact a lot of enterprises groan with Apple devices. So of courses Microsoft wants to support them,

[Mean Aerodynamic Chord 269]

Get Windows 10 Pro.

Windows 10 Pro will only be able to DEFER updates, but not stop them completely. Eventually, they will install automatically.

 

Wow, so I only have a basis to complain about losing my work if it's of huge importance to a business or something? In that case, if I unplug your computer while you're on the ILS after a 13 hour flight or just about finished with a massive video editing project, you have no right to be mad at me!

 

 

Keep in mind that W10 will FORCE everything that used to be "Optional Updates" in W7/8.1/Vista. That means that your drivers for your graphics card, laptop touchpad, and even MOUSE are going to be updated automatically, with NO option to choose otherwise.

 

This may infuriate some users, but for them the fallout is probably worth it from a security stand-point and from having lower attack vectors. I install all updates, they are set to download but don't install, then I get a message and I reboot. Has anyone around here stopped an update before it installed? Or even stopped updates all together? I'm working of the presumption and evidence thus far that after an update has been installed, we will still be able to remove it afterwards. Unless anyone can tell me otherwise. In terms of drivers, especially graphics drivers, I've never had a graphic drive update from Windows Update, only from nVidia. Maybe it overrides, or just installs before Windows Update. I'm not 100% sure on that one. But I control it through the nVidia control panel.

That's the problem, though. W10's updates will also include what used to be "Optional Updates" in previous Windows. That means your drivers will be updated automatically.

 

 

I installed W10 preview on my laptop on a separate partition. As I was working on it, I noticed my laptop's trackpad suddenly stopped working. It continued to be non-responsive for at least a minute. After that, I went to Windows Updates and guess what? It was downloading and installing and update for my laptop's trackpad, without EVER asking me, and without an option to CANCEL.

 

 

Can you imagine what will happen when Windows Updates decides to install a graphics card update while you're about to land???  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:

[dgraham1284 92]

I find it hard to believe they are still making a 32bit version of Windows 10 ... heck, my phone is 64bit.

 

Home, Pro, Ultimate ... I guess they didn't learn the important lesson from Apple's OSX ... one OS version it has everything.

 

DX12 ... that's what I'll get out of Windows 10 ... would have been nice in they included Intel's 3D tracking API/SDK built into the OS so we could use it out of the box ... and they keep on with touch screens for desktop ... ugh.

 

As far as I can tell this is Windows 8.2 ... 10 would indicate some significant change, so where is it?

 

Cheers, Rob.

 

 

We still using windows NT. If you want to get reaaallly technical. Windows Vista was verison NT 6.0.6002 (SP2) WIndows 8.1 is NT 6.3.9600. Windows 10 will be another variation of NT 6.x

Wow, so I only have a basis to complain about losing my work if it's of huge importance to a business or something? In that case, if I unplug your computer while you're on the ILS after a 13 hour flight or just about finished with a massive video editing project, you have no right to be mad at me!

 

I never said that forced updates would be detrimental to my business or whatever. I stated that they were annoying, and I hate having to plan what I'm doing around the update schedule instead of the other way around. Perhaps MS could give us the option to turn off forced updates, but place the setting in a place where only people who know what they're doing would find it (similar to the 'show hidden folders' option); people who are more likely to update their computer in due time. 

 

And I have a bunch of DVDs, as well as games and such on CDs, and I'm sure I'm not alone. Downloading a separate software to play them isn't a huge deal, but it's still nice to pop in a DVD and have autoplay open up without having to think about it before hand. 

 

Again, my complaints are that these new 'features' are annoying, not of grave importance to world economies or national security....

 

"In that case, if I unplug your computer while you're on the ILS after a 13 hour flight or just about finished with a massive video editing project, you have no right to be mad at me!"

 

I am not sure what you are talking about, but I feel that I could confidently say the OS won't install updates without first notifying you and asking you to reboot. Not arbitrarily doing it on its own and rebooting in the middle of whatever you were doing. 

Er.....what? :huh:

 

DVD MOVIES. Not data!

[Mean Aerodynamic Chord 269]

 

I am not sure what you are talking about, but I feel that I could confidently say the OS won't install updates without first notifying you and asking you to reboot. Not arbitrarily doing it on its own and rebooting in the middle of whatever you were doing. 

It does. Read my post above. It doesn't reboot automatically (this is the only setting you can change), but it DOES install updates automatically. 

 

Also, even if you "unplug" your computer, chances are, the updates were already downloaded and are just waiting to be installed.

[dgraham1284 92]

DVD MOVIES. Not data!

 

And I have a bunch of DVDs, as well as games and such on CDs, and I'm sure I'm not alone. Downloading a separate software to play them isn't a huge deal, but it's still nice to pop in a DVD and have autoplay open up without having to think about it before hand. 

It does. Read my post above. It doesn't reboot automatically (this is the only setting you can change), but it DOES install updates automatically. 

 

Also, even if you "unplug" your computer, chances are, the updates were already downloaded and are just waiting to be installed.

 

I did read it.

 

1. Don't get home edition. 2. The computer WILL NOT reboot itself after installing updates on it's own. 

 

Please look at my signature.  That's only a small fraction. 

[HughesMDflyer4 470]

 Why disallow turning off updates? Some updates are important - particularly security updates.

 

The flight tracking software I work on for FSX doesn't allow the user to skip updates, as we used to have way too many tickets regarding issues that were resolved MONTHS ago. While not as applicable to something like Windows, it could be another reason that they don't want you to turn them off.

 

As far as I can tell this is Windows 8.2 ... 10 would indicate some significant change, so where is it?

 

Have you used it?

 

New start menu, Cortana integration, same OS on desktop/phone/tablet/etc, compatibility of desktop/Universal Apps on all of those devices, notifications center, completely new settings menu, virtual/multiple desktops. Not HUGE changes, but fairly notable changes. It's about the separation from the past and showing that it's its intended lifespan/update style is to be much different.

[Mean Aerodynamic Chord 269]

 Why disallow turning off updates? Some updates are important - particularly security updates.

Nobody is talking about how security updates are installed. For all I care, those can be installed automatically.

 

I'm just frustrated at the fact that what used to be "Optional updates" are now considered "security updates", and will be installed automatically. 

 

Windows Updates... It's in the name! Updates for Windows. That's it. Windows Updates doesn't need to manage my Saitek drivers, or my laptop's trackpad, or my Nvidia drivers!

 

I did read it.

 

1. Don't get home edition. 2. The computer WILL NOT reboot itself after installing updates on it's own. 

 

Please look at my signature.  That's only a small fraction. 

1. Pro edition will only DEFER updates, and for a limited time. After a while, they'll install automatically also.

 

2. I know it won't. That's what I said.

[avgaskoolaid 292]

I am not sure what you are talking about, but I feel that I could confidently say the OS won't install updates without first notifying you and asking you to reboot. Not arbitrarily doing it on its own and rebooting in the middle of whatever you were doing. 

I know that. I'm expecting something similar to 8, where you get a dialogue 15 minutes prior to the automatic restart/update. Imagine that you're nearing TOD after a long 15 hour flight from Chicago to New Delhi, when all of a sudden you're told you have 15 minutes to save your work before an update installs. Even though you have plenty of time to save your flight, many people would prefer to finish up what they're doing and restart in their own time. Again, it's not the end of the world, and I along with all future Windows 10 users will learn to adapt, but IMO one shouldn't have to plan what they're doing based on their computers schedule. 

[codechris 9]

Please look at my signature.  That's only a small fraction. 

 

Ah a fellow Cisco person. I'm going for my CCNP. I tell you, it's effin easy compared to Juniper. But, when it comes to firewalls, as I'm more a security geezer, Palo Alto is my main choice.

 

However, back on topic, are people around here really suggesting Windows just reboots when it's done installing updates? As in, just  "Hey rebooting bye bye" no sorry don't believe that, is there evidence to support this. Installing is one thing, rebotting your computer in the middle of what you're doing is another

[scott967 62]

I'm glad no one here has had windows blue screen after an update.

 

I never install any updates security or otherwise until they have been vetted by the community.  Too many buggy updates have been released, and then you have push advertising which seems possibly the real reason for forced updates.  Meanwhile, Cortana, etc, all just ways to leak your personal usage data back to MS.

 

As far as hacking updates, does the phrase "this windows is not genuine" strike a chord?

 

You can buy a blu-ray reader, but to actually play blu-ray protected content you either need to buy player software or ripping software (and the piracy hawks here will tell you you are stealing if you rip BDs).

 

I'm still waiting for the fine print on the  upgrade.  Can you get an iso? I bought a 3-pack win 7 HP upgrade sku when 7 first came out, one of those licenses is uninstalled.  Can the 10 upgrade be applied to it in the future?  Does the 7 upgrade have to be installed first and activated (I assume to make it "genuine")?  Same thing if you want to reinstall in the future.  Have to install 7 first?

 

scott s.

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