In the original post you asked to have the engines visible again which is simply unrealistic. If you can't see them from the real jet why have it on the addon?

 

I asked earlier if Rick would share how he achieved the view so others can learn, so until then, I still walk a cautious line but I do hope to be proven wrong.

 

-Jim

 

First, I'd like to say, I did not set out to do this to prove anyone right or wrong.  I just felt the frustration David was experiencing, and was in a positon to easily check it out myself.

 

I believe David's original question was "Is there any chance of having the engines back?" in the PMDG 737-600 and not if you can see it in real life. I don't know if you can or not on a real 737-600, but based on the above posts, it appears that it is not visible on the real aircraft.

 

How I did it?  Simple.  I had just recently installed a fresh copy of FSX and did not yet have a change to install my PMDG aircraft. So instead of just installing the latest version, I installed the original release version that PMDG released when it first went on sale. (I keep all my installation files, even old ones).

once the install was complete, and before applying any service packs, I loaded it up into the sim and just mouse looked around in the cockpit and there it was, an engine. So I took a screen shot and posted it so I could David's mind at ease.

 

FYI. Once I installed the latest vision, it was no longer there. 

 

For those that are interested in the breakdown.

1. Installed the original base pack  "PMDG 737 8900 NGX.exe"

 

2. Then tried to install the "PMDG 373 6700 NGX RTM.exe" could not as this installer required a later version of the base pack.

 

3. Installed the "PMDG 737 8900 NGX SP1.exe"

 

4. Then tried again to install the "PMDG 737 6700 NGX RTM.exe" Expansion pack, success this time.

 

Loaded up the aircraft in the sim and checked to see if the engine was there, and it was.

 

 

I then installed the latest versions, and the engine was no longer there.

 

Hope this answers your question.

 

 

 

 

 

 

First, I'd like to say, I did not set out to do this to prove anyone right or wrong.  I just felt the frustration David was experiencing, and was in a positon to easily check it out myself.

 

I believe David's original question was "Is there any chance of having the engines back?" in the PMDG 737-600 and not if you can see it in real life. I don't know if you can or not on a real 737-600, but based on the above posts, it appears that it is not visible on the real aircraft.

 

How I did it?  Simple.  I had just recently installed a fresh copy of FSX and did not yet have a change to install my PMDG aircraft. So instead of just installing the latest version, I installed the original release version that PMDG released when it first went on sale. (I keep all my installation files, even old ones).

once the install was complete, and before applying any service packs, I loaded it up into the sim and just mouse looked around in the cockpit and there it was, an engine. So I took a screen shot and posted it so I could David's mind at ease.

 

FYI. Once I installed the latest vision, it was no longer there. 

 

For those that are interested in the breakdown.

1. Installed the original base pack  "PMDG 737 8900 NGX.exe"

 

2. Then tried to install the "PMDG 373 6700 NGX RTM.exe" could not as this installer required a later version of the base pack.

 

3. Installed the "PMDG 737 8900 NGX SP1.exe"

 

4. Then tried again to install the "PMDG 737 6700 NGX RTM.exe" Expansion pack, success this time.

 

Loaded up the aircraft in the sim and checked to see if the engine was there, and it was.

 

 

I then installed the latest versions, and the engine was no longer there.

 

Hope this answers your question.

Rick,

 

Let me be the first to thank you for your response.  I meant no offense by my statement, it's just that past experiences proved that some people do things out of spite, but I never suggested you were one of them.

 

So basically, somewhere along the line, PMDG changed something to cause that view to change.  Maybe someone realized that you cannot in fact see the engines and made the necessary adjustment.  I wonder if it was due to the wing placement being too forward?  Just  a hunch.

 

-Jim

 In the original post you asked to have the engines visible again which is simply unrealistic. If you can't see them from the real jet why have it on the addon?

 

and the perfect reply....

 

I believe David's original question was "Is there any chance of having the engines back?" in the PMDG 737-600 and not if you can see it in real life.

and the perfect reply....

 

Except you (should) know that, as a developer, it is very, very, very rare that we'll step outside of realism to provide something, and even then, there's a specific purpose for that excursion (e.g. auto cruise). Case in point: the 600 model doesn't come with winglets.

Kyle,

What are you saying? forgive me I don't get the point your making.

 

Did PMDG get it wrong when it was released? and that's why PMDG deleted them? or was they deleted for other reasons?

 

I've never made a case one way or the other if within the 600 vc the view is the same as real life. I've always trust PMDG above all to get them sort of thinks right, so just what are you saying? 

 

Have you ask the developers the reason why?

 

Now you can see they were there on release is it to much to ask why they were deleted or if PMDG have a file(wing) file to add them back. The Q400 had wings and engines as an option because of performance.

 

Im not having a go at PMDG at all, its just I simply saw they had gone when I re-bought the 600 for P3D from the original release.

What are you saying? forgive me I don't get the point your making.

 

Your post - immediately above my last one - made the following point (at least the point was made through quoting others):

 

I did not ask what reality is - I asked if we could have the engines back.

 

I then added my response indicating that, for us, it's the reality that matters, so the second question is superfluous if you're ignoring the first one. I'm relatively certain you cannot see the engines from the FD. Clearly they got removed at some point, and they must've been removed for some specific reason. I don't know what that reason is. I can try to track an answer down, but I make no guarantees. I do know of a place where one can very easily get easy, trackable access to the team, though. You've been around here long enough to know that, if you're looking for a direct PMDG response, that's where you go.

We are fast approaching this --> :t0152:

 

-Jim

 Clearly they got removed at some point, and they must've been removed for some specific reason. I don't know what that reason is. I can try to track an answer down, but I make no guarantees.

I see no point in making a ticket its not like its a problem with how the 600 handles.

 

But if you could ask Kyle I would be very gratefully. 

 

Lock this topic if you wish its ran it course and hopefully I will hear from you my PM. 

 

Thanks Kyle.

OMG!   David, you better reread the last page. It doesnt get any simpler than that. Stop asking to see the engines. It doesnt exist in real life. If they were there before as a mistake or not, its irrelavent.  You cant see them period in real life.  How else do you want it stated. Proof from Kyle and others who have talked to pilots. Let it go and just go enjoy flying.

 

My gosh . Maybe while im at it, Ill request PMDG to change it to a 4 engine aircraft. I swear I saw 4 engines on the 737 somewhere.  And im sure its range surpassed that of the 777. Can you correct it please?  :rolleyes:

Ok, now I think we have approached this  .  How about we all gather around for a nice big  . I think Poppet is rubbing off on me, guess I'll get back to  :p0503: .

 

-Jim

Yes,  i have been lurking politely in the background, good read.    I'm intimidated greatly by this plane but cant seem to drag myself away from the Youtub videos and tutorials,  everything about this plane can only be described as gorgeous. I will eventually get it.   

OMG!   David, you better reread the last page. It doesnt get any simpler than that. Stop asking to see the engines. It doesnt exist in real life. If they were there before as a mistake or not, its irrelavent.  You cant see them period in real life.  How else do you want it stated. Proof from Kyle and others who have talked to pilots. Let it go and just go enjoy flying.

 

My gosh . Maybe while im at it, Ill request PMDG to change it to a 4 engine aircraft. I swear I saw 4 engines on the 737 somewhere.  And im sure its range surpassed that of the 777. Can you correct it please?  :rolleyes:

You clearly have a problem with grasping the gist of the topic, the topic has nothing to do with what you can see in real life the topic was on what happened or when PMDG deleted the engines. Quite a simple question. More out of interest than anything else. Clearly hard for you to grasp that.

 

if this topic was about PMDG getting what you can see out of the VC wrong like the topic on the VC front windows being wrong then that's a topic when you want to know what a real life pilots can see. Did I ever ask that question? Well did I? NO.

I simply asked what happened within the sim. Nothing else. Do you understand that? Nothing else out side the sim.......

Trying to look for that emoticon that shakes head in disbelief. lol

 

The topic title is "is there any change of having the engines back". The answer was clearly stated numerous times no for the reasons its not real life so why would it be in the sim. PMDG is and always has been about trying to mimic real life aircraft as close as possible within the confines of the said simulator. So why it takes 4 pages to establish that is what I found puzzling. I grasp it quite well. Im sure you can do the same.  Just worry about your VC  and whats in front of you and go enjoy that next flight David.

Is it not in the q400 you can disable the propeller view from the cockpit vc for an FPS increase, maybe PMDG found the the the same thing and decided to remove engine from that view.Just a guess?