JYW

F1 GTN750 in Orbx Lancair IV-P

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After many hours of frustration I managed to get the GTN750 perfectly integrated into the Orbx Lancair IV-P.   This is not a straightforward integration as Orbx use an unusual system to remove the modelling from the standard radios / RXPs, that uses a gauge to remove the modelling in real time in the sim.

 

To add to the complications, I discovered that FS Panel Studio was wrongly changing ident numbers whenever the Lancair was opened in it, disabling some vital gauges for the engine management system. So had to start again and proceed manually, without FS Panel Studio! ...... but got there in the end.

 

All works perfectly, VC integration as well as the pop up, etc..... and it interfaces perfectly with the Lancair's Sandel HSI. :smile:

 

Click on the image to see it full size

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The Orbx Lancair is like a whole new aircraft with the GTN in it.  Really fantastic. 

 

If anyone uses this aircraft and would like the Panel.cfg for this, drop me a PM.  

 

This is solely for P3D as it's using the Flight 1 Tech P3D version of the GTN750.   (May work for FSX too if you own the FSX GTN750, but you'd probably need to edit gauge references).

 

Although I am using a custom autopilot in the above image (Meggitt 2100 available from the AVSIM File Library), the version of this mod that I will share with anyone interested uses the standard Orbx Lancair STEC-55X. 

 

NB.  Orbx have no issue with use of the Lancair IV-P in P3D.

 

Thanks for looking.

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Just wondering if you've done stuff like this with Carenado planes

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Very nice, so getting the Lancair into P3D is not problem?

 

Cheers

Martin

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What about NAV/COMM2 - could something fit in that blank space?

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How do we install the Lancair into P3Dv3 ? Its not even V2 compatible ?

 

i am really interested so i will sent you a pm

 

Thanks

 

Michael Moe

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Just wondering if you've done stuff like this with Carenado planes

 

With the newer Carenado planes, it's virtually impossible due to the 3D modelling.  I've done basic gauge replacements on some of the older Carenado planes, but most available '2D' gauge space is only big enough for the RXP 530 (which as I'm now on P3Dv3 full time is no longer an option).

 

I don't think from memory I've managed to squeeze the GTN750 into any Carenado planes that are not already designed for it.

 

 

Very nice, so getting the Lancair into P3D is not problem?

 

Cheers

Martin

 

I used the EMT Migration Tool to install the Lancair into P3Dv3, with no issues and full functionality including custom sound gauges, etc.   The stock Orbx GNS430s worked fine, but obviously the RXP option is a no go in P3Dv3.

 

I'm afraid I can't comment on getting the Lancair into P3Dv3 without using the Migration Tool.

 

I understand the Lancair is on Orbx's list for a full P3Dv3 installer, but as an older product, I'm not sure that will be available any time too soon.

 

 

What about NAV/COMM2 - could something fit in that blank space?

 

Yes most certainly Ryan.  The 'blank plate' you see in the screenshot is a home-made 'gauge' I put in there, probably temporarily until I find a suitable option for a COM/NAV2, that could fit in that (quite small) gap.   

 

I've included the blank plate gauge in the ZIP that I've put together and sent by PM to the people that have requested it so far.     So it comes with the blank plate, but that can be easily replaced in the Panel.cfg

 

- just don't load this aircraft into FS Panel Studio!   :smile:

 

 

How do we install the Lancair into P3Dv3 ? Its not even V2 compatible ?

 

i am really interested so i will sent you a pm

 

Thanks

 

Michael Moe

 

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Ryan, here's the Lancair with the default P3D KingAir COM2/NAV2 in place. There are better options but obviously they belong to other payware models...... so I chose the default King COM2/NAV2 radios, so that this GTN750 mod does not require users to also have other add-ons installed.

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NB......I've just confirmed that this GTN750 mod for the Lancair works perfectly in FSX too.   I'll post a seperate thread in the FSX section, offering it to anyone interested who uses FSX.

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I don't have EMT so I think I'll just wait for the Legacy from realair

 

At one time I recall Russ from orbx mentioning a P3D native WIP of their lancair - not sure if that's still happening

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Seems to be working great Thanks  :wink:  :smile:

 

Michael Moe

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Guys, I'm continuing some other small modifications and improvements to the Lancair.  As all are compitible with the plane as installed into P3D or FSX, I think it'll be easiest just to detail them in the FSX thread (with the aircraft being FSX native at this time).

 

Here's the link to that thread for anyone interested:-

 

http://www.avsim.com/topic/477682-gtn750-integration-into-orbx-lancair-fsx/

 

Thanks

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Hi Bill

 

Sent you a PM for your latest files. Can you supply both for FSX and P3D v3

 

Very nice, it looks so smart in the Lancair cockpit. I look forward to your fix / update

 

Regards

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If he doesn't respond I think o have the files somewhere - I just updated mine to P3D v3 too! Forgot about his mod!

 

edit:  can't find them - Bill I'll pm you too

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PMs responded to.

 

The same mod works equally with FSX and P3D3, as the GTN gauge names are thankfully the same.

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Not sure if you saw my message - the link is broken at least for me - says the file was moved or deleted

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Not sure if you saw my message - the link is broken at least for me - says the file was moved or deleted

 

Apologies - sent you a new one.

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Hello JYW,

 

ORBX released their Lancair with the new installer that includes P3D now. As such, I purchased it, and was hoping to find a mod to implement the GTN 750, and after a search, here you are :smile:

 

I'm sending you a PM with my email now. Thank you for taking the time to do this. I know it's a lot of work, and it is appreciated.

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Hello Bill, pm for P3D retrofit sent.


 


Much thanks,


Dirk.


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Hello JYW,

 

ORBX released their Lancair with the new installer that includes P3D now. As such, I purchased it, and was hoping to find a mod to implement the GTN 750, and after a search, here you are :smile:

 

I'm sending you a PM with my email now. Thank you for taking the time to do this. I know it's a lot of work, and it is appreciated.

 

No problem, reply sent.

 

Yes, when using FS Panel Studio, it's a 2 minute job to edit a panel for a new gauge in this way, but in the case of the Orbx Lanceair, FS Panel Studio corrupts the [Panel] file, if you open it !!    So anyone that owns FS Panel Studio, I'd strongly advise against opening the Orbx Lancair's panel in it.

 

So I needed to complete this refit the manual way, with a good old calculator, replacing the dimensions of the original radios with the combined dimensions of the GTN750 (+ the 2 default Com/Nav 2 radios).

 

When I get some free time, I'll see if I can find a better option for the Com/Nav2 radions (a suitable freeware gauge) and offer a version that uses this instead of the default Com/Nav2.

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Some feedback from this mod....

 

Yeah would be cool to find a better comm2nav2 - it looks pretty ugly in here.  There's no more ADF - I think when I used the smaller GNS530W stack I was able to fit a ADF under it as well as the AP and comm2nav2.  I don't think there's enough space for that.

 

The biggest thing I notice is the change between GPS and VLOC won't sync up with the NAV button on the Sandel...  you have to make you sure if you set GPS on the GTN750, that GS1 is active on the Sandel.  Then when you do swap between NAV1 and GS1, the CDI isn't synced on the GTN - so you have to go back and forth a few times on both units to make sure both are in sync.

 

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Some feedback from this mod....

 

Yeah would be cool to find a better comm2nav2 - it looks pretty ugly in here.  There's no more ADF - I think when I used the smaller GNS530W stack I was able to fit a ADF under it as well as the AP and comm2nav2.  I don't think there's enough space for that.

 

The biggest thing I notice is the change between GPS and VLOC won't sync up with the NAV button on the Sandel...  you have to make you sure if you set GPS on the GTN750, that GS1 is active on the Sandel.  Then when you do swap between NAV1 and GS1, the CDI isn't synced on the GTN - so you have to go back and forth a few times on both units to make sure both are in sync.

 

The objective at this stage, was simply to get the GTN into the panel - something which is normally straightforward to do, but due to the non-standard [Panel] file in use (which utilizes a real-time model change, to flatten the Orbx default radios), this involved quite a bit of manual work.

 

So yes, it could certainly be further improved (where the aircraft add-on permits). 

 

Replacing the ugly default Com/Nav2 is relatively easy.   Just find a suitable gauge (there are plenty of freeware offerings) and ensure that it's dimensions in the panel.cfg, equate to the total dimensions of the default Com2 and Nav2 as being used here.

 

If you're successful in getting better options for the ADF and GPS/GTN sync on the HSI, do share your work, I'd love to try it.

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As for the sync maybe there's an option in the .ini file - I'll have to dig

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As for the sync maybe there's an option in the .ini file - I'll have to dig

 

Yes, I was just thinking that - because I never included a GTN.ini file with the download, so the GTN's settings would be at default.

 

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I've just pulled together a potentially better option for those that own the GTN750 and GTN650 gauges.

 

The download now includes 2 alterntaive versions;  one exactly as above (GTN750 only) and an option to install the GTN750 and GTN650 into the panel.

 

I haven't tested this in the sim yet, as I don't own the GTN650!   But I've set the alternative modified panel.cfg up to use it.

 

If anyone wants to test this version, drop me a PM.  (you must own both the GTN750 and 650 for this version).

 

Cheers.

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Hi guys! Sorry to bring this up, but has anyone found a solution to add an ADF to it? Bill, sending you a PM. Thanks!

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Hi JYW,

i've just sent you a pm about the Flight1 GTN 650 and 750 Dual gauge configuration. If you could help me it would be

greatly appreciated.

RichardM

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